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Just saying, I learned my lesson but as with all things, I had to do it myself, just once. No so sure about the burn in thing, I can listen to my Senns for an hour and I still think my RS2i sound better as soon as I put them on..<G>

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I'm listening to my Sony-801ES > Bitfrost Uber > WA6…using the (optical input), when I press play/skip or when the Cd is changing tracks my Bitfrost is clicking/chattering erratically and loudly until the music starts. If I pause the music the Bitfrost continuously clicks/chatters erratically, until I press play/stop..this can't be right has anyone experienced this??? this clicking/chattering is only coming from the Bitfrost, I do not hear it through the headphones or while the Cd is playing.


Edited by joseph69 - 5/5/14 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

If you want to experience burn-in, listen to your music for 10 mins with no EQ then repeat with the treble boosted 10dB. It will be uncomfortable at first but gradually the effect will lesson (although it may never sound good). Now return to flat EQ and repeat the same 10 minutes of music and you'll immediately notice how muffled your music sounds. By the time 10 mins is up it will sound normal again.

IME burn-in is all in the brain.

IME, with all my Grados they needed burn-in, especially the RS1i's/PS1000i's without a doubt. They need to open up and tighten up to put simple. I do agree with having to get use too the differences in sound from different models though.


Edited by joseph69 - 5/5/14 at 8:16pm
post #14464 of 33498
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

I'm listening to my Sony-801ES > Bitfrost Uber > WA6…using the (optical output), when I press play/skip or when the Cd is changing tracks my Bitfrost is clicking/chattering erratically and loudly until the music starts. If I pause the music the Bitfrost continuously clicks/chatters erratically, until I press play/stop..this can't be right has anyone experienced this??? this clicking/chattering is only coming from the Bitfrost, I do not hear it through the headphones or while the Cd is playing.
I know it pops or clicks when changing tracks , when using the optical connection and doesn't if usb is used im not sure the constant pops between the music
post #14465 of 33498
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post


I know it pops or clicks when changing tracks , when using the optical connection and doesn't if usb is used im not sure the constant pops between the music

So you've experienced this with the optical only, but with the USB it doesn't do this?

And I didn't order mine with the USB, because I prefer the optical.

It actually sounds like a relay is chattering while the laser in the Cd player is reading the track. I don't see why this should happen while its on pause though.

post #14466 of 33498
I never used optical but on the schiit thread someone was asking about the noise ,I emailed Jason, because mine didn't make noise , he said usb doesn't but optical does
It says something about it on the schiit website
post #14467 of 33498
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post

I never used optical but on the schiit thread someone was asking about the noise ,I emailed Jason, because mine didn't make noise , he said usb doesn't but optical does
It says something about it on the schiit website

OK, thanks for the info, I read the site about the Bitfrost, but I don't remember reading about this, I'm going to read it again. Tell you the truth I'm not too happy with this noise…especially when the Cd is paused because it is constant!

Thanks Jay.

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I retired from Colorado to Arizona so that my San Diego sweetheart could get out of the cold. I'd been looking all over for a place to listen to all the grados at once. I was checking out the McIntosh dealer for the new headphone amp here in the Phoenix AZ valley and OMG!!! They are an authorized grado dealer. They have the full grado line up in there audition rooms. I got to listen to everything from the sr60i to the ps1000 via the rs1 rs2i gs1000 on an 80 grand McIntosh set up with 10 grand turntable Amy Grand sounded out of this world. Tube preamps with rows of tubes, burrbrown chips with no gitter a every thing a Grado fan dreams of. PURE NIRVANA OF SOUND. One major check off my bucket list. All the grados in one sitting multiplied by the best amps. I'm not associated with them in any way but I highly recommend stopping by their Tempe or Scottsdale AZ store and make an appointment for a listen to Grado heaven.
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

OK, thanks for the info, I read the site about the Bitfrost, but I don't remember reading about this, I'm going to read it again. Tell you the truth I'm not too happy with this noise…especially when the Cd is paused because it is constant!
Thanks Jay.

It's the mute relays. They do that. I wouldn't be concerned about it (I think they reference it in the FAQs), but the USB doesn't do that because the pausing/muting is handled differently, if I remember right.
post #14470 of 33498
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Originally Posted by hsubox View Post


It's the mute relays. They do that. I wouldn't be concerned about it (I think they reference it in the FAQs), but the USB doesn't do that because the pausing/muting is handled differently, if I remember right.

Yeah I just read it in the (FAQ's), and it is normal, but it doesn't state it only does it with the optical input…they state it as doing it no matter what input. You and Jaywillin both have said it doesn't do it with the USB, but Schiit doesn't tell you that! If I would have known this (I didn't read the FAQ), I would have ordered the USB upgrade, and there goes another $150.00 just too get rid of that annoying clicking, especially while the CD player is on pause when it is constant. Tomorrow I need to hear if it does the same thing with my MBP as the music source. I'm really not thrilled with this, especially switching over too the USB for the $150.00 just too get rid of the clicking…its almost like a gimmick IMO. I'll see what happens…I'm almost considering returning it and trying the Peachtree DAC-itx I'm so aggravated. Thank you for the info also, I appreciate it.


Edited by joseph69 - 5/5/14 at 9:33pm
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I have had the chance before to compare "burned-in" headphones to brand new, or at newer in-store versions of the same headphone, and I usually hear at least a slight difference, though its not always huge.  It's really big with the Grados though.

 

Also, I know it's a bit late to the party, but in terms of music, I found a newish artist called Nick Waterhouse who sounds really excellent on Grados!  Check out his "Holly" album.  Really cool mix of blues, little jazz, some funk, and rockabilly.  Very vintage sound, and he does everything analog with old ribbon mics and stuff.  Really awesome retro sound, bit like JD McPherson.

post #14472 of 33498
The BIFROST relay clicks whenever the datastream is interrupted, exactly as described in the faq on their website. Does it on SPDIF optical or coax.
post #14473 of 33498
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

People really underestimate the power of psychoacoustics. Many really want to believe that they can't be fooled by psychoacoustics too but it's really hard. I know I fall victim to it all the time.


+1

post #14474 of 33498
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Originally Posted by jimr101 View Post

I retired from Colorado to Arizona so that my San Diego sweetheart could get out of the cold. I'd been looking all over for a place to listen to all the grados at once. I was checking out the McIntosh dealer for the new headphone amp here in the Phoenix AZ valley and OMG!!! They are an authorized grado dealer. They have the full grado line up in there audition rooms. I got to listen to everything from the sr60i to the ps1000 via the rs1 rs2i gs1000 on an 80 grand McIntosh set up with 10 grand turntable Amy Grand sounded out of this world. Tube preamps with rows of tubes, burrbrown chips with no gitter a every thing a Grado fan dreams of. PURE NIRVANA OF SOUND. One major check off my bucket list. All the grados in one sitting multiplied by the best amps. I'm not associated with them in any way but I highly recommend stopping by their Tempe or Scottsdale AZ store and make an appointment for a listen to Grado heaven.


You are a very lucky man.

 

What did you like best ?

 

I got chilled, when you said rows of tubes  :p 

post #14475 of 33498
Whirlwind the Tempe AZ soundrooms are primarily McIntosh show rooms. As you know McIntosh amps are assemled in the USA much by hand with very much the same spirit adittude and pride as Grado. Their amps are built with the soul of the music as their name to fame was to build the sound system for the Grateful Dead. The legendary McIntosh sound just as we speak of a legendary Grado sound was founded on reproducing the music with the utmost integrity to the soul and way it was performed. Since most of the music at that time was made on the magnificent vintage tube amplifiers like the Marshalls. The McIntosh tube amps of course became their name to fame. This being said I spent most of my headphone time in the room that was full of vinyl with a ten thousand dollar turntable but mostly the phono preamp with probably 10 or 15 tubes in a row glowing with all the wonders of the legendary McIntosh amps. Back to your question on the grados. That was the room were I got to fully appreciate the pristine sound of the wood cups on the classical music to fully appreciate the rs1's or the pristine gs1000. I had come in mainly to give the sr325is a listen to see for myself if they were as bright as they were accused of. They were! What started it all is that on an equalizer at 63 years old I noticed how I had a tendency to crank up the treble and turn down the bass. I was playing with my new Samsung phone that has what basically is a hearing test called adaptive sound app. What I learned from it was that in fact I love bass, but clear crisp bass not the atrocious kind you get from beats headphones. And that the reason I crank the treble up was that it was that boomy horrible kind of bass that was drowning out my diminishing ability to hear the upper scale. So in my attention deficit way getting back to grados I learned that the sound that does it for me was the combination of wood cups and metal. In conclusion the ps1000 was it for me on that 80 grand McIntosh set up but in real life the ps500 would probably outdo my hearing or any set up I could ever put togeither in my lifetime. Being a Colorado mountain redneck hippie whatever that is that loves Alan Jackson and Dwight Yoakam as much as Neil Young Gratefuldead via Allman Brothers Freddie King southern boogie. The ps500 was it for me. I didn't find them dark at all but that could be the quality of the sound system. As I found out I crank the treble up because I do love a crisp sharp bass. My original thought was to get a pair of sr 325is and mod them with wood cups. But reading the specs on the drivers the cost would be so close that I would be better off just getting the ps500's. Now I really liked the comfort of the big over the ear G pads. The sound system was so extreme that I don't think I could truly evaluate the difference in ear pads. I know that I love my flats sound wise but my ears do get hot. Well it's early getting time to grind some fresh coffee. GRADOS AND COFFEE IN THE MORNING BREWS AND TUNES IN THE AFTERNOON and Jaywillin picking us some tunes. My imagination went wild in those gorgeous sound rooms. It anabled me to imagine a Club where you walk in to fresh coffee being roasted in house in the front and a micro brewery in back a full selection of grados to choose from you would buy or furnish your own earpads. Each listening station booth would have a Pono music player on the table slide your membership card to pick your favorite 16bit192khz music just like you would in the 50's dinners on the table juke box. Ah! Dreaming is such fun!
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