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post #12916 of 26978
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You can also look into the vent mod. Tape mod while very easy is also a pretty subtle change on the sound from my experience.
post #12917 of 26978
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Or the Alpha Dogs. Much cheaper and flatter.


+1

post #12918 of 26978
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This is the same guy who thought the lcd2 bass was anemic, I sincerely doubt any advice will help

 

I did. Because everyone said the same thing "the LCD2 has huge bass! the LCD2 are bass-heavy!"

 

Well... not true. They aren't like that at all. So yeah, I was severely underwhelmed after how much people were yapping about the bass on the LCD2. Not gonna apologize.

 

The assholery is well appreciated though, thank ya. 

post #12919 of 26978
Well, if the lcd (which is renown) for its bass is anemic to you, then I doubt Grados (known for their midrange) are going to satisfy
post #12920 of 26978
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Well, if the lcd (which is renown) for its bass is anemic to you, then I doubt Grados (known for their midrange) are going to satisfy

 

Perhaps I should have added the qualifier of "considering what I had heard about them" when I said anemic. To me, the LCD2's are mostly neutral headphones with a very gentle nudge at the bass. They have a reputation for bass, and IMO the only way they could have a reputation for bass is for people to be so used to bassless headphones that any significantly audible <100hz frequencies make them drop their jaws.

 

So okay, it's not anemic in the way the RS1i's were (good lord), but I was really underwhelmed given the reputation. I'm not in the market for head-smashing bass (the m100 is as heavy as I want on that front, and I already own them), but I was expecting something different from AUDITIONING them than what I heard. 

 

The Grados, meanwhile, just plain sounded better. To me. The PS500, for the majority of the spectrum, sounded better than the LCD2. Again, to ME. I enjoyed their signature... EXCEPT for the massive bass rolloff. They sounded great for the most part, but kick drums and bass guitars just had no significant presence, and the chart up there explains why. If there's a mod that brings that bass up to even more "neutral" levels then we might have a winner. 


Edited by SomeGuyDude - 3/19/14 at 6:17am
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But compared to "bass heavy" headphones, the LCD-2 does have more bass though. The difference is that the LCD-2 goes deeper instead of having a huge dB bump in the bass frequency range above 100hz like most "bass heavy" headphones. Of course they have a reputation for bass: the whole "bass" frequency response is flat all the way down.

post #12922 of 26978
I can understand that, Grados are my personal favorite, though every grado right up to the ps1000 has that bass drop off, grado tunes his headphones to accent the mids, even the bass is sacrificed with a rounded off bottom end and a mid bass hump to properly accent guitars and pianos
and vocals. The tape mod will add more bass, but more of the same.

Only thing I have been able to do is roll tubes for lower end and eq lower bass up a few db...but that's pretty much that.

For me, Grados are worth it for the mids, nothing quite satisfies for guitar...but there is a trade off
post #12923 of 26978
While i like the LCD-2 so far, I was a bit dissapointed by the bass. The LCDs certainly won't shake my brains like the D2000 or K550 which is what I was expecting based on all the reviews. Yes the LCD-2 bass goes lower and flatter but most of my music does not contain a lot of content below 60Hz anyway so the flat bass response isn't really making a huge difference in bass quantity. The LCD-2 was also a lot brighter than I was expecting. My Fidelio X1 has bigger bass and less treble than the LCD and all my Grados have a lot more punch in the bass than the LCD-2. I was expecing a more refined X1 but that's not what the LCD-2 is at all.

What the LCD-2 has is great imaging and bigger more 3D soundstage, not necessarily a good thing all the time, it depends on my mood and the music, sometimes I feel very disconnected when listening with the LCD-2. Some recording just sound bad on it (to the point where I can't listen to it), which I've never really experienced with any of my other headphones. And yes not just low quality MP3s but FLAC and 320Kpbs files as well. I have not had a chance to try the LCD-2 with vinyl though, so far all my listening has been done with Foobar>e10(DAC Only)>WA6>LCD-2.
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How can you expect an open headphone to shake your brains in the first place? That's not what they're built for.

post #12925 of 26978
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How can you expect an open headphone to shake your brains in the first place? That's not what they're built for.


 



I don't but people make it sound like it does. and maybe that's my own fault in not realizing that most are comparing the LCD-2 to other "flat" headpones. Having said that, the X1 shakes my brain, so did the DT990 and HE400 so I don't think it's impossible to do in an open design.
post #12926 of 26978
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But compared to "bass heavy" headphones, the LCD-2 does have more bass though. The difference is that the LCD-2 goes deeper instead of having a huge dB bump in the bass frequency range above 100hz like most "bass heavy" headphones. Of course they have a reputation for bass: the whole "bass" frequency response is flat all the way down.

 

Two problems here:

 

1) That is only true when you're comparing them to, like, old Beats or Skullcandy headphones. This may shock you, but TONS of headphones out there now are capable of hitting down to the sub-bass with authority. The M100s can reproduce a 10Hz sine wave, and at 20Hz it's actually pretty forceful. Start looking into the Denon, Fostex, and Ultrasone lines. Sennheiser's on-ear Momentums, the Shure SRH1540, the list goes on.

 

2) When a headphone has a reputation for bass, but its response is just flat? That tells me that most people are so conditioned for NO bass that ANY bass impresses them. It's like the exact opposite of the stereotypical Beats listener: instead of being impressed when they can hear the vocals highs over the bass, they're impressed to be able to hear the bass at all. 

 

The human ear can't really pick up any frequencies under 20Hz beyond it being a vague rumble, and I've heard dozens of pairs that are more than capable of it (that even includes newer Beats). So this notion that "well compared to most bassy headphones the LCD2 actually goes deeper" is just plain nonsense. It is categorically untrue and is the kind of statement that only works if you have not actually listened to any bassy headphones. I've run sine sweeps on tons of headphones. Depth is not a problem. 

post #12927 of 26978
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How can you expect an open headphone to shake your brains in the first place? That's not what they're built for.

 



I don't but people make it sound like it does. and maybe that's my own fault in not realizing that most are comparing the LCD-2 to other "flat" headpones. Having said that, the X1 shakes my brain, so did the DT990 and HE400 so I don't think it's impossible to do in an open design.

 

TBH even the Senn HD650 have "shaking" potential. I tested them with CamRon's "Killa Cam" and the bassline had a lot more authority than I was expecting. 

 

I don't want another pair to shake my head. Like I said, I have that. What I'd like is an open-back pair where I'm not trying to figure out where the heck the bass went. I like the open-back sound. 

post #12928 of 26978
the "problem" or lack of bass in the LCD-2 is due to the flat response right through to the high mids and low treble. The human ear hears mids and treble more easily so in order for the bass to really come through it needs to be louder in relation to the rest of the spectrum.

The HE400 for example has quite a scoop in the high mids and treble areas and that helps it sound bassier eventhough in theory the LCD-2's basss is louder.
post #12929 of 26978
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

 

TBH even the Senn HD650 have "shaking" potential. I tested them with CamRon's "Killa Cam" and the bassline had a lot more authority than I was expecting. 

 

I don't want another pair to shake my head. Like I said, I have that. What I'd like is an open-back pair where I'm not trying to figure out where the heck the bass went. I like the open-back sound. 

 



check out the Fidelio X1.
post #12930 of 26978
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

Two problems here:

 

1) That is only true when you're comparing them to, like, old Beats or Skullcandy headphones. This may shock you, but TONS of headphones out there now are capable of hitting down to the sub-bass with authority. The M100s can reproduce a 10Hz sine wave, and at 20Hz it's actually pretty forceful. Start looking into the Denon, Fostex, and Ultrasone lines. Sennheiser's on-ear Momentums, the Shure SRH1540, the list goes on.

 

2) When a headphone has a reputation for bass, but its response is just flat? That tells me that most people are so conditioned for NO bass that ANY bass impresses them. It's like the exact opposite of the stereotypical Beats listener: instead of being impressed when they can hear the vocals highs over the bass, they're impressed to be able to hear the bass at all. 

 

The human ear can't really pick up any frequencies under 20Hz beyond it being a vague rumble, and I've heard dozens of pairs that are more than capable of it (that even includes newer Beats). So this notion that "well compared to most bassy headphones the LCD2 actually goes deeper" is just plain nonsense. It is categorically untrue and is the kind of statement that only works if you have not actually listened to any bassy headphones. I've run sine sweeps on tons of headphones. Depth is not a problem. 

 

That's because you tend to think that bass heavy = good. Most audiophiles would highly disagree. The younger generations who listen mostly to EDM etc tend to like bass heavy cans, but keep in mind that the vast majority of audiophiles are classical/jazz listeners (classic rock as well) most of the time, and bass heavy cans are just bad for any of those.

 

If you had taken the time to read my signature you would see that I own a pair of DT990 pro which are considered bass heavy, though slightly less than the DT770 I would say. I've also been in this hobby for 10 years and have attended plenty of meets/heard/owned plenty of cans. I'm also a professional bassist, and I'm pretty damn sure my ear for bass is accurate. The LCD-2 has EXCELLENT bass response, it goes deep and sounds true without overpowering the mids which is rare with headphones. Maybe it doesn't give you the feeling of you putting your head in a subwoofer at a rave, but to say that a pair of newer Beats does bass better than the LCD-2 is an absolutely ridiculous statement all around.

 

Case in point:

 


Edited by elmoe - 3/19/14 at 6:50am
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