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post #12511 of 17480
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Originally Posted by lazyredhead View Post

does anyone know how a woodied grado change in sound signature?
i was thinking of getting these ( http://turbulentlabs.com/classic-vibro/ ) for a future project for my sr225i (witch i think are a bit bright as stock)

Do a little searching. There are hundreds of answers to that question on this forum and this one:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/119314/post-your-grado-mods

 

 and this one:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/686212/the-great-grado-experiment-4-tonewoods-tested-more-to-come

 

You won't find a definitive answer. It will depend how you implement the wood, what Grado model, pads, etc.

post #12512 of 17480
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

I woodied my sr80 and did not hear a huge difference. Maybe and I mean maybe a little bassier.

When I put the wooden cups on my 80i's, I actually thought the percussion instruments sounded a bit farther away, and a bit less bass. 

post #12513 of 17480

Threw my earpads in the rubbish pile.  Put the HF2s bare naked on my ears...guess what they sound like the most to me like this?  My LCD2s...with less refinement.  But that unmistakeable huge midrange is there.

 

Checked all the Grado measurements - the 225 with flats pads give me an indication of what I am hearing...indeed - a flat as a pancake midrange.

 

Funnily enough, the big 10 khz spike doesn't seem to register with me as excessive brightness, same as the spike in the Beyer T1 - I am OK with this.

 

Reconfigure my setup to include an equaliser.  Yes, as I edge the 8khz slider with my LCD2s on board...that dagger like sensation starts to manifest - it does not take much at all - a 4db boost will kill me in the long term.

 

But it seems to me a large part of the ortho sound is the midrange flatness - and perhaps only gentle wobbles in the 300hz squares, no ragged edges here please.

 

Learning a craptone with my latest EQ adventures...for instance, a boost at around 100hz - as the HF2s have makes the bass sound snappier and speedier...all this and more.

 

This EQ business is the bees knees.  With my LCD2s I have gradofied, HD650rised, and low volume orthorised.  But of course, it was the whole Grado thing that got me started again...and here I finally understand where the LCD2s cannot go...they can not be trebilized like a HD800 just as the HD800 can not be orthorised like a planar.  Somewhere after the 4khz slider is some kind of a brickwall.  From there I have to be careful with the 8khz and 14khz sliders.  I was not to know this in the past as there was never a kind of treble I wanted to emulate...until I spent more time with my HF2s...this is bright done right.  I can EQ the LCD2s to sound just as good in the treble as the HF2...but I am dealing with closing on the borderline schizophrenic properties of the LCD2 treble when exposed excessively.

 

I would like to hear the RS1s, I definitely will purchase a pair of SR60s...these should be the cans to take it to the PX100s and PortaPros - two excellent cans in their own right.

 

Low level listening is where I am at right now and I think the Grado curves go will with the loudness contour.  I'm talking very low level here - not even moderate...very low.  Its just not worth sacrificing hearing acuity for headphones...I need my acuity in the forest for stalking prey, over there is where I use up my limited amount of good hearing to its fullest resolve...I am pretty sure there is a very limited rifle shots before I go deaf...but there is where the sacrifice is well worth it to me.  I'm not going deaf sitting in my room doing jack all.

post #12514 of 17480
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Threw my earpads in the rubbish pile.  Put the HF2s bare naked on my ears...guess what they sound like the most to me like this?  My LCD2s...with less refinement.  But that unmistakeable huge midrange is there.

 

Checked all the Grado measurements - the 225 with flats pads give me an indication of what I am hearing...indeed - a flat as a pancake midrange.

 

Funnily enough, the big 10 khz spike doesn't seem to register with me as excessive brightness, same as the spike in the Beyer T1 - I am OK with this.

 

Reconfigure my setup to include an equaliser.  Yes, as I edge the 8khz slider with my LCD2s on board...that dagger like sensation starts to manifest - it does not take much at all - a 4db boost will kill me in the long term.

 

But it seems to me a large part of the ortho sound is the midrange flatness - and perhaps only gentle wobbles in the 300hz squares, no ragged edges here please.

 

Learning a craptone with my latest EQ adventures...for instance, a boost at around 100hz - as the HF2s have makes the bass sound snappier and speedier...all this and more.

 

This EQ business is the bees knees.  With my LCD2s I have gradofied, HD650rised, and low volume orthorised.  But of course, it was the whole Grado thing that got me started again...and here I finally understand where the LCD2s cannot go...they can not be trebilized like a HD800 just as the HD800 can not be orthorised like a planar.  Somewhere after the 4khz slider is some kind of a brickwall.  From there I have to be careful with the 8khz and 14khz sliders.  I was not to know this in the past as there was never a kind of treble I wanted to emulate...until I spent more time with my HF2s...this is bright done right.  I can EQ the LCD2s to sound just as good in the treble as the HF2...but I am dealing with closing on the borderline schizophrenic properties of the LCD2 treble when exposed excessively.

 

I would like to hear the RS1s, I definitely will purchase a pair of SR60s...these should be the cans to take it to the PX100s and PortaPros - two excellent cans in their own right.

 

Low level listening is where I am at right now and I think the Grado curves go will with the loudness contour.  I'm talking very low level here - not even moderate...very low.  Its just not worth sacrificing hearing acuity for headphones...I need my acuity in the forest for stalking prey, over there is where I use up my limited amount of good hearing to its fullest resolve...I am pretty sure there is a very limited rifle shots before I go deaf...but there is where the sacrifice is well worth it to me.  I'm not going deaf sitting in my room doing jack all.

 

Interesting read, out of curiosity what kind of EQ are you using?

post #12515 of 17480
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Enjoyed reading that, nice post! 

 

Yeah I couldn't live without a little EQ on some hp's. Its ideal for personalizing. Our hearing is different person to person, so being able to pinpoint the freqs that cause annoyance and amending these for taste can be a godsend. Especially if you really like a headphone apart from maybe one aspect of its treble for instance - where no change of amp will help. 

 

 

If I could recommend the Latest foobar 31 bar equalizer. Its very good. 

post #12516 of 17480
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

Interesting read, out of curiosity what kind of EQ are you using?


At the moment I am simply using the Asus DGX soundcard controller, its a 10 band EQ.  At first all the EQs  sounded a bit wobbly and I presumed that it wasn't as powerful as an EQ as my last one, before I upgraded my Hard Disk to SSD - I had used EasyQ over JR Media Center.

 

Then I reset the levels to default - the sub volume was re-set at 75 percent.  This removed the wobble effect, and it seems very transparent to me.  The software seems to have built in anti-clipping and setting the sub-volume at 100 percent kicks in the clipping protection - EQ or not...no wonder I thought this whole soundcard sounded a bit wonky.  It's good now.

 

With computer EQ, it seems vital to lower the gain in order to avoid digital clipping.  I only have the LCD2s - but I am already getting an understanding of why the LCD-X and LCD-XC is tuned the way it is - now knowing the weakness of my LCD2 planar.  With the LCD-XC brightness could only be created the way it is without entering the treblezone issues...but I can say, the ortho drivers have no weaknesses all through the soundspectrum up 4khz in my sliders...sound stage is always wide and image is always sharp here.  When you make a peak past 4khz and then listen...the soundstage shrinks dramatically and wobbles around a lot - indicating an erratic treble response.  Otherwise without EQ - the planars set the treble as supplementary to the midrange and therefore all the treble flaws are masked.

 

I previously only used EQ as a diagnostic tool.  Now using it as it suits my listening volume and as a means to alter the signature whenever I feel like it - adds a whole new dimension of musical enjoyment.  If I had only one headphone and had available to me a high quality EQ at all times, it would be the LCD2s...I can tune it to to sound like better versions of HD650, K701 and HF2 in sheer refinement, lower distortion and outright speed.  I cannot tune the treble to match the D7000s or HD800s - but both these cans have annoying treble peaks to my ears anyway.

 

However this being said - without an EQ...the Grado HF2 is extremely versatile as a low level can...suiting everything with only an adjustment in the low level volume to compensate for recording types.  I don't often get obsessed with a can...but like the LCD2 and the HD650 before that...lately my mind is thinking only of my Grado HF2s and when can I get some new pads on it?

 

I am addicted to the HF2 Grado sound and will wait till I get the SR60s before I can say for sure if I am becoming addicted to the Grado sound.  6 years into my headphone journey...and all this time people rave about Grados and I'm thinking these people are nuts, because obviously the graphs show they are wonky.  I've had these HF2s for three years and knew I liked them over my D7000s...but not until I understand that it is a low listening level can recently that I just love them.  What is it about the HF2 that it can twang the uppermids like only a tube amp can? 

post #12517 of 17480

Hmmmmm...stumbling upon this thread makes me wanna bring out my SR225i's out of the box and listen to them at length again....maybe wel see how it sounds with the C&C BH amp!

post #12518 of 17480
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Enjoyed reading that, nice post! 

 

Yeah I couldn't live without a little EQ on some hp's. Its ideal for personalizing. Our hearing is different person to person, so being able to pinpoint the freqs that cause annoyance and amending these for taste can be a godsend. Especially if you really like a headphone apart from maybe one aspect of its treble for instance - where no change of amp will help. 

 

 

If I could recommend the Latest foobar 31 bar equalizer. Its very good. 


Yeah, many people think EQ is the devils work :veryevil: 

 

A little EQ can go a long way for certain phones.......I just recently purchased a HD650 and I added just a touch to the high end....they still sound dark....but still better to my ears than stock.

post #12519 of 17480
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post
 


Yeah, many people think EQ is the devils work :veryevil: 

 

A little EQ can go a long way for certain phones.......I just recently purchased a HD650 and I added just a touch to the high end....they still sound dark....but still better to my ears than stock.

Its the way forward bud a tell ye!! :)

post #12520 of 17480
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post
 


Yeah, many people think EQ is the devils work :veryevil: 

 

A little EQ can go a long way for certain phones.......I just recently purchased a HD650 and I added just a touch to the high end....they still sound dark....but still better to my ears than stock.

 

I agree, EQing did wonders on my 325is and especially on my SA5000s. I use a foobar graphic equalizer DSP, but it is kind of annoying having to go into the menu to open it up everytime and am starting to wonder if a decent hardware equalizer would be worth putting some money into... Any thoughts from anyone who owns/has tried one?

post #12521 of 17480
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post
 


Yeah, many people think EQ is the devils work :veryevil: 

 

A little EQ can go a long way for certain phones.......I just recently purchased a HD650 and I added just a touch to the high end....they still sound dark....but still better to my ears than stock.

 

For me, the HD650s are a neutralish can...if you have the power they sound tonally correct to me at reference level.

 

I use this curve for my HD650s and LCD2s at low level.

 

 

Boosting anything past 4khz here only exposes weaknesses in treble.  Stopping at 4khz adds a bit better detail and brightness in the mids when listening softly.

post #12522 of 17480
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

For me, the HD650s are a neutralish can...if you have the power they sound tonally correct to me at reference level.

 

I use this curve for my HD650s and LCD2s at low level.

 

 

Boosting anything past 4khz here only exposes weaknesses in treble.  Stopping at 4khz adds a bit better detail and brightness in the mids when listening softly.


I agree....I only adjust 2K   :smile: ......also...everyone hears frequencies different.


Edited by whirlwind - 3/2/14 at 4:13am
post #12523 of 17480

Especially at low volumes, neutral does not exist below reference.  Anyway it's been interesting trying to figure out what works for me at very low listening levels...funnily enough, I have stated in the past that everything starts sounding neutral to me after long term listening.  It seems to me now at these lower levels the brain starts to make sense of everything on its own accord.

post #12524 of 17480

suggested listening, aretha franklin, live at the fillmore !! (hdtracks has it in 24/96, love it!)

 

post #12525 of 17480

Well the journey towards the RS1i starts tonight. I just put my 225i up for sale. Once they sell I am going to order the RS1i and then depending on how much I like them the 325is may follow or I might keep them. Stay tuned.

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