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post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

^ They do appear to roll-off, but in fact are quite extended and simply somewhat overpowered by thick mids. But let's face it, tastes differ. I didn't vote for the SM3, because I listen to a lot of acoustic and classical (just like the OP) and don't think their sound signature suits these genres. Yet to the OP they sound great. Recommendations can only do so much, whenever possible it's always better to try for yourself.

 

Btw @firoze, I somehow missed the fact that you got the 1601SB. Did you post your impressions? (sorry for OT)



 

Greetings James, nice to hear from you... Yes I got the 1601's in March last year and did post brief impressions here:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/458719/wow-the-final-audio-design-fi-dc1601sb-also-known-as-don-t-go-to-yodobashi-lol/390

Maybe you missed it. I had intended to post more detailed impressions but then I got so busy with work that I could hardly visit here. Anyway, I have been thoroughly enjoying the SB's! But I also need earphones with very good isolation. Pity the FAD BA'a don't isolate well, else they would have been my first choice. So what would you recommend?

post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by lucozade View Post

The Sm3 are indeed  fantastic sounding as is the Se530 , and while i like the Sm3 more than the Se530 i would not say they are considerably superior , they do have a fuller bass but the rest of there sound signature is just a different flavor rather than superior to the Se530 .

 

 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post

Just be wary with the sm3 when it comes to some music genres as the highs do appear to roll-off.


@ lucozade and Sil3nce  Thanks for your thoughts.

post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by firoze View Post

Greetings James, nice to hear from you... Yes I got the 1601's in March last year and did post brief impressions here:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/458719/wow-the-final-audio-design-fi-dc1601sb-also-known-as-don-t-go-to-yodobashi-lol/390

Maybe you missed it. I had intended to post more detailed impressions but then I got so busy with work that I could hardly visit here. Anyway, I have been thoroughly enjoying the SB's! But I also need earphones with very good isolation. Pity the FAD BA'a don't isolate well, else they would have been my first choice. So what would you recommend?

 

Oops, I must have missed that, or forgotten somehow - thanks! Given the fact that the 1601SB are rather mid-centered and you love them so much, the SM3 might actually be worth a try. Though the Ortofon e-Q5 or Grado GR10 would be much closer to the FAD BAs in sound signature, and both have pretty good isolation.

 

Last but not least the j-phonics might also be worth a try, according to shigzeo's review they have less warmth than the SM3 and are overall pretty much on the same level, with stronger build quality. I haven't heard them personally, but would love to get more info on these.

post #19 of 30

^ I will look into your recommendations James, I have not heard any of them yet. Due to the peculiar nature of the 1601's design I think they sound very different to different people - I dont find them mid-centric as such. Compared to the SE530 they have much tighter and deeper bass, albeit a bit leaner. Mind you, on their own the Shures sound great; but I've been spoilt by the musicality of the FAD's and want similarly high quality from an isolating IEM. I know that's a big ask, but I will try out your recommendations. I'll also wait to hear the new designs being released at CES such as the Westone 4. I would like the IEM to have a strong powerful bass, but now bloated like I found the Westone 3 to sound. From what I've been reading, looks like the Westone 4 might suit my tastes...


Edited by firoze - 1/7/11 at 1:32am
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post

Given your musical preferences you'll probably want something fairly balanced, which will throw the Coppers out the window IIRC.  I don't know a whole lot about the SM3s either.

 

I can say (since I own both at the moment) that the 530/535s are a good match for acoustic and classical and have quite wide genre bandwidth.  The chief advantage of the 535s is their larger soundstage, which generally helps a lot with classical.

 

The 535s fit quite differently than the 530s though.  I prefer the sound of my 535s, but will likely sell them soon since they just aren't as comfortable.  All this is very individualized though, so its hard to make generalizations.  I can wear my 530s for hours on end with no discomfort and they remain sealed throughout nearly any physical activity.  The 535s get annoying quite quickly and loose their seal at the drop of a hat.


I recently upgraded from Shure SE420 to Shure SE530. I do find that the SE420 isolates more than the SE530 does. With the medium olives i can't understand to a person talking to me with the 420's but with the 530's i can understand every word even if i seem to be getting proper bass (Thus a good seal i guess). How do you guys insert the 530's for a perfect seal ?. Thanks

post #21 of 30

Getting IEMs to fit properly is something that's unique to each individual ear.  There's not a whole lot of advice someone else with differently shaped ears can give you.

 

All I can say is that you should try everything.  Try every tip you can.  Try inserting it at different angles.  Try making some spacers so the tips will seal deeper.  You can even try putting the olives on backwards.

post #22 of 30

^ I agree. You have to try everything - different tips, different ways of inserting them. It took me a long time and a good deal of experimenting to get a proper fit and seal with my SE530's but once I found out how to do so, they now fit and seal very well. I think the shape of the SE530 and the angle of the soundtube confounds some users, but when u finally do discover how to insert them, you realise that they are actually quite ergonomically designed.

post #23 of 30

Thanks guys. I've been wearing the 420s for more than a year so i'm just trying to get used to the shape of the SE530's.

 

For the moment the best seal i'm coming up with is gotten by pushing the olives over the barb but not any further thus i'm inclined to try out the spacers trick by trimming the stem of a pair of triple flanges.

 

As for the iem insertion goes i insert the iems with the Shure text almost perpendicular to the ground and once in i rotate a bit the housing to end up with the Shure text at a 45º degree angle in relation the horizontal axis.

 

I thought hiss would be the biggest problem i might face by going the SE530 route but i never even considered isolation as an issue.


Edited by elfary - 1/7/11 at 6:39am
post #24 of 30

It would appear that the 420s may have a bit more isolation than the 530s.  I'm not exactly sure how well their measuring setup works with IEMs though.  They're probably a lot harder to measure properly.

post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post

It would appear that the 420s may have a bit more isolation than the 530s.  I'm not exactly sure how well their measuring setup works with IEMs though.  They're probably a lot harder to measure properly.


Yes i found that out too when i had the 420 , fit and isolation are definitely better on the 420 ,infact that was the best thing about them as i never did enjoy there sound sig and i vastly prefer the sound of the se530.popcorn.gif

post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

^ They do appear to roll-off, but in fact are quite extended and simply somewhat overpowered by thick mids. But let's face it, tastes differ. I didn't vote for the SM3, because I listen to a lot of acoustic and classical (just like the OP) and don't think their sound signature suits these genres. Yet to the OP they sound great. Recommendations can only do so much, whenever possible it's always better to try for yourself.

 

Btw @firoze, I somehow missed the fact that you got the 1601SB. Did you post your impressions? (sorry for OT)


You're quite right in this regard.

I find that what I perceive as the characteristics of an iem to change once I am listening to it, as opposed to when I'm online and commenting on it :)

post #27 of 30
Thread Starter 

Now I've had the SM3s for a few days I stand by my original comments that I think they are great.

 

Clearly both these and the Shure's are good phones but I just prefer how the SM3s sound.  With the Shure's I was constantly fiddling with the equalizer depending on what I was listening to, but I've found that I don't need to do this with the SM3s - to my ears they make the music sound like how it was meant to sound.  Also, the hiss that was often very evident on the 530s has gone, which is clearly good news.

 

The biggest issue with the SM3 is that the splitter is too close to the phones.  This is definitely something that they should change when a new version is released.

 

Isolation is good, although not as good as I found on the Shure's.  I think this is because I've not got quite the right fit yet (don't really like the Comply tips).

 

James, thanks for your comments.  I don't necessarily disagree with you on the classical music, but I listen to a lot of single instrument music (piano, violin) and to me the soundstage works pretty well for this.

 

Nuwidol, I was looking into the JH5 but a few people seemed to have to have remoulds etc and it was just going to be a bit of a hassle from London.  Will look into it next time i'm over in the US.

 

 

 

post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by ScottK View Post

Now I've had the SM3s for a few days I stand by my original comments that I think they are great.

 

Clearly both these and the Shure's are good phones but I just prefer how the SM3s sound.  With the Shure's I was constantly fiddling with the equalizer depending on what I was listening to, but I've found that I don't need to do this with the SM3s - to my ears they make the music sound like how it was meant to sound.  Also, the hiss that was often very evident on the 530s has gone, which is clearly good news.

 

The biggest issue with the SM3 is that the splitter is too close to the phones.  This is definitely something that they should change when a new version is released.

 

Isolation is good, although not as good as I found on the Shure's.  I think this is because I've not got quite the right fit yet (don't really like the Comply tips).

 

James, thanks for your comments.  I don't necessarily disagree with you on the classical music, but I listen to a lot of single instrument music (piano, violin) and to me the soundstage works pretty well for this.

 

Nuwidol, I was looking into the JH5 but a few people seemed to have to have remoulds etc and it was just going to be a bit of a hassle from London.  Will look into it next time i'm over in the US.

 

 

 


I haven't seen a jh5 sold in a long long long time.

post #29 of 30

As in sold on the fs forum.

post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 

So, still loving my SM3s, but just broken my awful solo beats which I use when i know I'm going to be disturbed regularly at my computer.  Clearly this means I need a replacement.  I've posted on the full size board separately but I was wondering if anyone on here knew of a fullsize that produces the same type of sound signature as the SM3s?  Thanks

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