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post #421 of 833

 

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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post

 

4. Purrin, I'm unsure how you got the impression Lyr is dark or closed-in, though I don't debate it. What I will say is that you're the only listener who's said that. To date, that is. We'll see what happens when more impressions show up. 

 

 

LOLOL! I didn't say "dark" or "closed-in" at all. I certainly hope I didn't give anyone that impression. To clarify: I meant just a little bit rolled-off / smooth - that is in a non-solid state, grating your ears / grainy treble sort of way. If it wasn't this way, the PS1000s would have been unlistenable - and I felt the Lyr, as it was with the stock tubes, were awesome with the PS1000s.

 

Did I perceive the Lyr had the best most extended articulate treble compared to other more expensive tube/hybrid amps with "decent" tubes? No. Though, IMO the JJs are a dull sounding tube - so there's only room for improvement on that.

 

I do want add that there was absolutely zero wierdness up and down the frequency band - no hardness, glare, nasal sounding, etc.

post #422 of 833
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't tube rolling have less of an effect on the sound of a hybrid than it does with a "full" tube amp?

 

It's probably not that simple though... rolleyes.gif

IMHO, it has lot's of effect based on my experience with the MH25.2 DAC and Dared D5.  One tube in the preamp, the rest solid state and the one tube basically controls the character of the sound of the device.  I expect the same effect with the Lyr.
 

post #423 of 833
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't tube rolling have less of an effect on the sound of a hybrid than it does with a "full" tube amp?

 

It's probably not that simple though... rolleyes.gif


I have two hybrid amps. Changing tube has ~50% influence on sound of Melos. ~90% on Peak. You'd still have more tubes to roll on a "full" tube amp though: voltage gain, output, rectifier. The nice thing about hybrids is that you only need to worry about changing one set. 

post #424 of 833


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Originally Posted by Yuceka View Post

Thanks for the impressions Purrin. They are very much appreciated. But I am just hoping that you're wrong about the LCD-2 pairing :) 

 


Could be. It's all relative. There was a lot of very good stuff at the meet. To put things in perspective on the LCD-2s, the Lyr was competing against amps costing $2000+, with some of those setups with tailored specifically for the LCD-2 with custom cables, etc.

post #425 of 833
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 

 

LOLOL! I didn't say "dark" or "closed-in" at all. I certainly hope I didn't give anyone that impression. To clarify: I meant just a little bit rolled-off / smooth - that is in a non-solid state, grating your ears / grainy treble sort of way. If it wasn't this way, the PS1000s would have been unlistenable - and I felt the Lyr, as it was with the stock tubes, were awesome with the PS1000s.

 

Did I perceive the Lyr had the best most extended articulate treble compared to other more expensive tube/hybrid amps with "decent" tubes? No. Though, IMO the JJs are a dull sounding tube - so there's only room for improvement on that.

 

I do want add that there was absolutely zero wierdness up and down the frequency band - no hardness, glare, nasal sounding, etc.



LOL, it wasn't a dark Schiit, it was the LCD-2 that was dark.

post #426 of 833
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 

 

LOLOL! I didn't say "dark" or "closed-in" at all. I certainly hope I didn't give anyone that impression. To clarify: I meant just a little bit rolled-off / smooth - that is in a non-solid state, grating your ears / grainy treble sort of way. If it wasn't this way, the PS1000s would have been unlistenable - and I felt the Lyr, as it was with the stock tubes, were awesome with the PS1000s.

 

Did I perceive the Lyr had the best most extended articulate treble compared to other more expensive tube/hybrid amps with "decent" tubes? No. Though, IMO the JJs are a dull sounding tube - so there's only room for improvement on that.

 

I do want add that there was absolutely zero wierdness up and down the frequency band - no hardness, glare, nasal sounding, etc.


Aha! Gotcha. 

 

It was just surprising to hear, since so many other listeners have commented, "Kinda bright, dynamic . . ." which was my impression. But like I mentioned before, I'm more of a "tonal purity" kind of guy, rather than soundstaging and extension, and I *will* always try to err on the side of omission (rather than adding to the music), so there you go. Mike's the soundstaging/pace/articulation guy, and he tweaked around a couple of things on Lyr to make himself happy. 

 

I'm looking forward to hearing what everyone thinks about their favorite tubes. Echo the thumbs-up on the Genelex, but it had to be crossed off the list due to cost. They're probably going to be easier to get in a true matched/noiseless state than some of the NOS. Be careful with Electro-Harmonix on the new production side; their heater-cathode relationship appears to be somewhat variable, so they may hum.

 

 

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Yeah I hear you. Bright and dark is relative. Both my existing rigs are modified / setup to probably be on the brighter/cutting side. I felt the LCD2s worked really well with my main setup (PWD->Peak/Volcano w/ the brightish Shuguang BT tube), but was relatively darker on Lyr. But want to clarify again on "rolled-off", I'm meaning more that last bit of air in the very high treble. It could very well be the DAC differences though. The PWD kind of throws everything at you.

post #428 of 833

To put things in perspective, I listened to the entire Schiit lineup (with DT990's and PS1000's) at the meet a couple of times, and the Valhalla could be described as being much warmer or darker than the Lyr. The differences were very distinct between the two. I thought that the sound signature was more similar to the Asgard, but the Lyr was much smoother and more dynamic. So, from the many expert opinions in these forums on the Valhalla and the Asgard, you might get an idea of what the Lyr really sounds like. Personally, I liked the pairing of the LCD-2's so much that I purchased a Lyr for myself. To my ears, only the one of a kind Pete Millett Menace brought by n3rdling sounded noticeably better (everything brought by n3rdling sounded better than everything else).

post #429 of 833
Well, my wallet will be empty, but my apartment will be full of Schiit! tongue.gif

Cheers!beerchug.gif
-HK sends
post #430 of 833
Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and have purchased the Denon d5000s and love them. I have been thinking about the Lyr but am worried it might make the already bass heavy phones even more so. Has anybody tried the d5000 with the Lyr?
post #431 of 833
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Originally Posted by MarkyT View Post

Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and have purchased the Denon d5000s and love them. I have been thinking about the Lyr but am worried it might make the already bass heavy phones even more so. Has anybody tried the d5000 with the Lyr?


I may be mistaken but I don't think D5000 is that power hungry... I own a D7000 and use it with Matrix M-Stage and it never feels like they need more power. Of course, there's no rule that you shouldn't use a powerful amp like Lyr with D5000 but I don't think you "need" to 

post #432 of 833
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Originally Posted by MarkyT View Post

Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and have purchased the Denon d5000s and love them. I have been thinking about the Lyr but am worried it might make the already bass heavy phones even more so. Has anybody tried the d5000 with the Lyr?

Since they just started shipping, I don't think anyone has had the chance yet. Just give it a little time. I have some Denon D7000s I want to try with the Lyr as well.

Cheers!beerchug.gif
-HK sends
post #433 of 833

Question/s:

 

This is gonna sound EXTREMELY noobtastic...

 

 

Which? 115v or 230v for USA plug, and why?

 

 

Also, this would be my first amp with tubes... are the stock ones neutral-ish? If not, which tubes are as neutral as possible, and how much?

 

 

Another also, which DAC (sold in AMAZON) to go with it? Again, I want to try and NOT color my headphones with tube nonsense, the same goes for the DAC. I want the sound of my headphones to be what colors the music.

 

 

DAC Magic, HRT Music Streamer II +, what other options?

 

 

Simplicity works best for me. The less to deal with, the better. My setup would look like (yes, I'm aware this is probably normal):

 

 

Netbook ---> USB DAC ---> Schiit Lyr ---> D7000/????? (haven't decided)

 

 

I love my E7/E9, but I wanna see what all the fuss is about when it comes to the higher end stuff. I'm trying to futureproof myself for awhile, and the Lyr looks appealing as it seems to drive the world, so I don't have to worry if I end up going with an extremely hard to drive phone or something. Wish I still had my K701, DT770, DT880, and DT990 to truly see how much of a difference an overwhelming amount of power would have done to them.

post #434 of 833
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post


 


Aha! Gotcha. 

 

It was just surprising to hear, since so many other listeners have commented, "Kinda bright, dynamic . . ." which was my impression. But like I mentioned before, I'm more of a "tonal purity" kind of guy, rather than soundstaging and extension, and I *will* always try to err on the side of omission (rather than adding to the music), so there you go. Mike's the soundstaging/pace/articulation guy, and he tweaked around a couple of things on Lyr to make himself happy. 

 

I'm looking forward to hearing what everyone thinks about their favorite tubes. Echo the thumbs-up on the Genelex, but it had to be crossed off the list due to cost. They're probably going to be easier to get in a true matched/noiseless state than some of the NOS. Be careful with Electro-Harmonix on the new production side; their heater-cathode relationship appears to be somewhat variable, so they may hum.

 

 


Since you gave the thumbs up to the Genelex ECC88 tubes I ordered a matched set. Will be interesting to hear the difference compared to stock tubes. Knowing myself, I will likely be too impatient to let the stock tubes burn in. Jason, is there a k own burn in tine for the Lyr or at least the stock tubes to settle down?
post #435 of 833
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Question/s:

 

This is gonna sound EXTREMELY noobtastic...

 

 

Which? 115v or 230v for USA plug, and why?

 

 

Also, this would be my first amp with tubes... are the stock ones neutral-ish? If not, which tubes are as neutral as possible, and how much?

 

 

Another also, which DAC (sold in AMAZON) to go with it? Again, I want to try and NOT color my headphones with tube nonsense, the same goes for the DAC. I want the sound of my headphones to be what colors the music.

 

 

DAC Magic, HRT Music Streamer II +, what other options?

 

 

Simplicity works best for me. The less to deal with, the better. My setup would look like (yes, I'm aware this is probably normal):

 

 

Netbook ---> USB DAC ---> Schiit Lyr ---> D7000/????? (haven't decided)

 

 

I love my E7/E9, but I wanna see what all the fuss is about when it comes to the higher end stuff. I'm trying to futureproof myself for awhile, and the Lyr looks appealing as it seems to drive the world, so I don't have to worry if I end up going with an extremely hard to drive phone or something. Wish I still had my K701, DT770, DT880, and DT990 to truly see how much of a difference an overwhelming amount of power would have done to them.


Get the "NuForce μDAC-2"...  best bang for the buck, plus you can take it on the road.  Run the stock tubes for a couple hundred hours before you make any tube swaps.  BTW, if you do in fact live in the US, then you want 115v

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