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With regard to the above statement 

Probably a little rolled-off on the treble....   Frequency Response: 2Hz-200KHz, -3dB  I'm sure -3dB at 200kHz is audible to you, but it ain't to me.  My hearing must be going!  I think a lot of people are used to hearing false treble boost and distortion and have acustomed themselves to thinking that's normal, then when they hear truly flat response and no audible distortion up high, they perceive it as rolled off.  Just my 2¢ worth.


The Melos sounds similar on the treble. An "apparent" slight roll-off. The Apex Peak (depends upon tube) doesn't have the roll-off, yet is about two leagues higher on the transparency and lack-of-distortion scale than the Melos.

 

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Also I respect what you are saying in regards to "ultimate resolution and transparency" however can you quantify what this means in relative terms?  Are you talking 95% of resolution and transparency of a $1200 amp? Are you sure you're not subject to some psycho acoustic phenomenon?

 


These things are subjective and to a large part dependent upon the source. I don't know if the following helps. I hate doing stuff like this BTW -things could be slightly out-of-order or someone might just think I'm F'ed in the head so take with a grain of salt. But here is where I see things on the transparency scale:

 

Headroom Bithead < Headroom Microamp < Headroom Desktop amp / Lyr (JJ tubes) / M-Stage / M3 (OK op-amp) <= M3 ($$ op-amp) / Melos (stock) / Woo 6 (stock) < Melos (modified) / Woo 6SE << β22 / Peak (w/ good tube) / Frank Cooter's amps.

 

Note the minor differences among the comparative operators <   <=  <<

post #392 of 833
I HATE the JJ E88CC. I know why people who make amps have to use them, because they don't want to deal with keeping NOS tubes in stock to supply with their amps. But the JJ's are not good sounding, IMO. Put a pair of Sylvania 6922's in the Lyr, and THEN let's hear what it sounds like.

Well, anyway, that's what I will do when I get my review loaner...
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Yeah. I was just going to post to comment on the JJs. They hold back the Lyr. The JJ's in my experience were pretty horrid. They sounded overly bassy, warm, and dull in the Melos. They are clean sounding / not noisy though - at least the pair I tried. And as you said, readily available = cheap.

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Sylvanias on order :-)

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I have been hanging out to hear what the Lyr sounds like.  Purrin put some brief comments up on the forum regarding the recent Bay area headfi meet but no one else has recorded any impressions.I was looking to see if 6moons had finnished their review but it is still pending.  The have however added another page of commentary.  Check it out 

 

 

http://6moons.com/audioreviews/schiit/10.html

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I think just about everything on that page was pulled verbatim from Jason's responses to this thread.

 

Stock answers or blatant copying?

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Do you have an opinion on JAN Phillips 6922 or tungsol's if they make them?  I wish tubes were easier to find in Australia.
 

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I HATE the JJ E88CC. I know why people who make amps have to use them, because they don't want to deal with keeping NOS tubes in stock to supply with their amps. But the JJ's are not good sounding, IMO. Put a pair of Sylvania 6922's in the Lyr, and THEN let's hear what it sounds like.

Well, anyway, that's what I will do when I get my review loaner...
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Do you have an opinion on JAN Phillips 6922 or tungsol's if they make them?  I wish tubes were easier to find in Australia.
 


 


I prefer the Sylvania over the Philips. And generally I prefer 6DJ8's over 6922's. I have some 6DJ8's labeled Tung-Sol, but I am not certain Tung-Sol ever actually made a 6DJ8 - they could just be rebranded Sylvania or GE.  RCA for sure did not make 6DJ8's - the ones I have branded RCA are either made in the UK (Mullard) or Germany (probably Siemens).

 

There are a lot of highly regarded 6DJ8's from Amperex, Mullard, etc., that sell for big bucks.  I like the JAN Sylvanias because they sound good and are not silly expensive.

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The Genelex 6922 are outstanding also. I have not rolled them since I pu them in months ago. Great tube and very nice sounding also. The Sylvania 6DJ8 is also nice but I prefer the Genelex but cant go wrong with either.

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I've always wondered about the Genelex. They are a little pricier for new production so I was afraid to buy them. What happened to the ubiquitous Sovteks as a starter tube?

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I've always wondered about the Genelex. They are a little pricier for new production so I was afraid to buy them. What happened to the ubiquitous Sovteks as a starter tube?



IMO the Genelex are worth the money. The Sovtek are no longer in production they were an excellent 6922 and I have some stash too bad they went to electro harmonix and I had connection issues with the EH but the Genelex are my favorites. When they go I will replace them again with the Genelex. The EL84 reissued Genelex I did not care for.

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...  I didn't think the LCD2s were the best match for the Lyr since the LCD2s are dark phones. ...


... Tube roll at your own peril though. It's not recommended by Schitt because they mentioned they have had minor issues here and there with other tubes. Also a lot of NOS stuff from ebay can be hit-or-miss. I understand where the Schitt is coming from - they gotta deal with customer support...


Sounds like Schiit has listened to your initial feedback to them when you heard the Lyr and has done quite a few changes as their product description seems to completely contradict your initial impressions.

 

From: http://schiit.com/products/lyr/ --

 

"Now, if you’re a headphone guy, you’re thinking “Holy Schiit! 6 watts! That’ll make the magic smoke come out of my headphones! Why the hell do you need that kind of power?” Well, we have one word for you: orthodynamics."

 

"Lyr ships with JJ ECC88 tubes, but feel free to substitute any 6DJ8, 6922, or ECC88 type tube, new or old, American or Russian or Chinese. The ability to use different tubes lets you tune the overall sound signature of Lyr to your specific needs."

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I think that's always been the description.. at least the past few months anyway. 

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I think that's always been the description.. at least the past few months anyway. 



Yes, that description has been in place for some time now.

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The sound characteristics described above sound much like the Asgard. Particularly, peoples descriptions of the LCD-2 with Asgard. I find it interesting you believe you were in the middle of the volume range with the LCD-2. My Asgard has ample volume with the harder to drive HE-5LE between 11 and 1 o'clock. With six times more power and an easier to drive phone, I would expect the LCD-2 to be screaming. What was the source? My one one complaint with the original 6moons review of Asgard was that he choose a dock with 1 volt output and declared the amp insufficient for orthos. I feed my Asgard 2.6 volts and believe it works quite well.

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