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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Can anyone give me more detail with regards to the following comparison:

Beyerdynamic DT990 (600 ohm) vs Denon D2000/5000/7000s

 

From what I see, the Denon's might have a little more bass but I can't tell which headphone would outdo the DT990. I.E. Does the D2000/5000/7000 outdo the 990?

 

I'm mainly deciding between these models for my new headphones. I listen to rock, indie, electronic, and dubstep.

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post #2 of 22

I own the D7000 and DT990/600.

 

I wrote a comparison before...

 

Very quick first impressions:

Bass. Woah. If I were to put it somewhere, I'd say the bass is more impactful than the DT990s, and slightly slower and thumpier. So it's more subwoofer-esque, but nowhere near boomy like the typical closed headphones. I didn't believe I would get the J$ pads, but since I've come to appreciate the quantity of the DT990 bass, I don't really want more than it offers. On a scale (revised), I'd say the DT990 bass QUANTITY (not quality) is an 8, while the D7000 is a 9. I think I'd enjoy it more if it came down to an 8. It's nowhere near a complaint in my part, but personal preference. The D7000 caters more to a basshead more bass oriented than me.

Mids: The mids are noticeable improvement over the DT990's. It's more present and has more weight to it. Hard to describe, but vocals sound more realistic. While I don't have any complaints about the 990's mids (I'm not a mid-whore like most head-fiers), they are not upfront like the bass and treble are, and sound just a little dry. With the D7000, you can hear the presence of the mids more.

Highs/Treble: This is interesting. My D7000 is not burned in (and again, I'm not a major believer in burn in, but I think some hours may tame it some). I find the treble to be less edgier than the DT990, but it isn't smooth either. If I had to put them a scale, I'd say the edgy/sharpness/aggressiveness of the highs/treble:

DT990: 9.5/10
D7000: 8/10

So yeah, it's STILL edgy, so those who want a smooth treble need not apply here. This is definitely to MY favor, as I want my treble on the sharp/sparkly side, I can't stand smooth/rolled off treble. The major difference that I can immediately spot (as well as my roommate who confirmed it before I even mentioned it) is that the treble has this refined quality to it. The DT990's treble can sound harsh and 'snowy' in comparison (though it's very high quality itself, IMHO...just speaking in comparison to the fantastic treble in the D7000).


In comparison, there's no mistake as to which one is the superior headphone. The D7000 sounds fantastic in pretty much EVERY way. For bassheads, this is THE headphone to get if you like your mids too. It's very musical and engaging. That being said, the DT990 definitely has an airier sound to it. You can contribute this to it's open design. There is NO question that the DT990 is obviously brighter in signature, while I find the Denon to be on the warm side of neutral, but closer to neutral than any other warm headphone I have ever heard. I do wish it was a little brighter though.

I also compared the Denon D7000 to the M50 directly. This is where there is a significant gap in quality. The M50 while FANTASTIC for the price, doesn't come close to the sound quality of the D7000. It sounds muddy all around, bloated in bass, and harsh in treble in a direct comparison. My friend who is an M50 fanboy to the fullest acknowledged why the D7000 costs as much as it does.

Absolutely worth it for the $585 I paid. As far as closed headphones go, the D7000 is pretty much all I could ever ask for, though it definitely does NOT isolate all too well, lol.

Now as for gaming...that's gonna have to wait, as I plan on hooking it up directly to the Mixamp and need the 3.5mm adapter first.

I plan on testing the D7000 unamped as well, though all my sources have 3.5mm inputs. Also plan on testing it with the Fuze-LOD-E7 combo to see how well driven it is by just the E7.

Just wanna mention that I would NOT want the D7000 warmer than it is, so I think I would've disliked it with a tube amp. Sounds bloody epic with the E9. On Low Gain, I barely get to 10 o clock on the volume pot... VERY easy to drive.

Oh yes, the sound signature reminds me of a significantly improved CAL/D1001. DEFINITELY the easiest way to describe it. This is gonna sound like blasphemy but going back and forth, I still prefer the signature of the DT990 more, lol. Probably the good old open vs closed difference.

Oh last thing, comfort. They are very comfortable. VERY. I just still prefer the velour of the 990's over the leather of the D7000. The D7000 heats up pretty quickly.

 

 

 

 

Another thing to add, the D7000 is a LOT easier to drive. It can be enjoyed quite a bit even unamped, with something as cheap as the Fiio E5 or E7, and definitely with the powerful E9 (tightens up the bass very noticeably compared to the others, bringing out the mids more because the bass isn't uncontrollably trampling over the mids). The DT990 has better bass for me, for sure, but it's my opinion. The bass is quicker, punchier, which is my preference, though the D7000's bass has to be heard to be appreciated. It is amazing.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/27/10 at 12:22pm
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks but I saw that post lol! That's what made me look into the D7k deal. I was thinking if I buy the D7k then I wouldn't need to upgrade my current amp for the 990s to get them to sound their best.

 

I was just looking for more opinions, but your post was very helpful!

post #4 of 22

I think for practically everyone, the D7000 is an upgrade to the 990. The 990 is definitely a love it or hate it phone. HOWEVER, if you happen to love the 990, then perhaps the D7000 isn't exactly necessary. They do the same genres practically the same, IMHO.

 

I certainly don't consider the D7000 a major upgrade, but I find a need for it as it can be used to control sound leaking out, and is more versatile in that it's easy to drive, while the 990/600 needs some juice to really bring out a lot of it's potential, so I feel that it needs to be permanently attached to an amp.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/27/10 at 12:28pm
post #5 of 22

d2000 vs dt990 is a mixed bag.

 

bass is more impactful, extends more.

 

mids are further recessed.

 

highs are a bit more piercing.

post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 

Could you please tell me which headphone "Is more impactful....piercing." Couldn't really tell. 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by holland View Post

d2000 vs dt990 is a mixed bag.

 

bass is more impactful, extends more.

 

mids are further recessed.

 

highs are a bit more piercing.

post #7 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by ifusion View Post

Could you please tell me which headphone "Is more impactful....piercing." Couldn't really tell. 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by holland View Post

d2000 vs dt990 is a mixed bag.

 

bass is more impactful, extends more.

 

mids are further recessed.

 

highs are a bit more piercing.


 


d2000....d2000 vs dt990 indicates comments are relative to d2000.

post #8 of 22

The DT990 definitely has the more piercing highs. This is what puts off a lot of people. The D7000 isn't as piercing, but I can see people complaining about it.

 

The Denons have stronger bass, without a doubt. I hear the D2000 and D5000 is even boomier than the D7000, so yeah...

post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 

Well this is kind of an awkward choice.

 

I can either get the 990s $230 and use my current amp (the Xonar Essence ST soundcard) or as people on headfi say to upgrade to a better amp like the E9 + e7 combo ($200) for a total of $430.

 

vs.

 

Denon D7000 for $584 and they would work perfectly well with my current amp.

 

 

Current amp:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/asus-xonar-essence-ststx-soundcards-follow-september-2010

"Through my favorite headphones, Sennheiser's HD-650, I was consistently surprised by the quality of the Xonar soundcard's output. Yes, in comparison with the CEntrance DACport USB headphone amplifier ($395), which I reviewed in June (p.99), the highs weren't quite as silky smooth; and my reference Benchmark DAC1 ($995), fed with the Essence STX's digital output, offered tighter, deeper lows and a generally greater feel of dynamic swings. For example, Mark Flynn's snare drum on Attention Screen's Live at Merkin Hall (CD, Stereophile STPH018-2) exploded from the Sennheisers as it should when the headphones were driven by the Benchmark; driven by the Essence STX at the same level, the drum sounded as loud, but without quite the same jump factor. The low frequencies did have a greater feeling of power and drive than they did with the DACport, however, and backgrounds were silent, with no noise interference from the PC. Overall, the Essence STX's headphone output was better than you would expect from so affordable a product."

post #10 of 22

I have the STX.

With the D7000 it's a great combo.

As has been discussed many times, the Denons are remarkably easy to drive and the D7k is no exception. If your source files are good and the chain has no faults through the DAC/amp, you'll get amazing results with the D7k. If you want more bass and a less 'refined' sound, go for the D5k or D2k.

post #11 of 22

Yeah, I'd go straight for the D7000... in that current situation.

post #12 of 22

There're quite a number of ppl who uses the STX -> D7000 combo and are absolutely satisfied. No worries to take that plunge i suppose.

post #13 of 22


Don't buy any amps and buy both cans.  Your Asus is fine.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ifusion View Post

Well this is kind of an awkward choice.

 

I can either get the 990s $230 and use my current amp (the Xonar Essence ST soundcard) or as people on headfi say to upgrade to a better amp like the E9 + e7 combo ($200) for a total of $430.

 

vs.

 

Denon D7000 for $584 and they would work perfectly well with my current amp.

 

post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 
I can't buy both...
I'm thinking of selling my essence card and buying the e7/e9 combo, so either way I will end up with a solid dac/amp.

I just can't tell if the extra $320 for the D7000 over DT990 is worth it. In that price range there are so many options...
post #15 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by ifusion View Post

I can't buy both...
I'm thinking of selling my essence card and buying the e7/e9 combo, so either way I will end up with a solid dac/amp.

I just can't tell if the extra $320 for the D7000 over DT990 is worth it. In that price range there are so many options...


The more I use the D7000, the more I notice the gap in SQ between the two. Make no mistake, the D7000 is on a whole other level from the 990s. The one main factor is on whether you want an open or closed sound. As good as the D7000 is, it is still closed in sound and so can't be directly compared to the open sound of the 990s, but in terms of overall quality, the 990s just can't compare.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/29/10 at 11:21am
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