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Instead of getting somebody's DIY solution, you could get professional options:
1. Here's one I bought recently for $50 that I like a lot, minus aesthetics.
2. There are a couple Behringer ones that aren't 4 channel, but also lack the clean "audiophile" look to them. Reviews on those are mixed I think as far as "clean" power.
It's been a while, but I got my cmoy amp =D. It works great and the sound has definitely changed. I am not sure if I would say the sound is for the better. It's tough to say what the sound is SUPPOSE to sound like. I decided, therefore, that at least that my UE super fi 10s would be the control. I figured the detailed and bass should be at least equivalent if not better than the super fi 10s. With that note, and without going into the nitty gritty, the hd650 with the cmoy amp was closest to the details (actually better) than the super fi 10s. The details are still there without the cmoy, but I can definitely say that using the super fi 10s as my control sound (what it should sound like) the hd650 with the cmoy expressed the detail as much if not more than the super fi 10s while without the cmoy it did not.
Therefore, I am of the camp now that a amp will improve the sound.
I want to clarify something though. It is not that I cannot hear every detail without the cmoy but the presence if each sound is just more there with an amp and the volume button didn't help.
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I thought you said you were going to build a beta22? 
There are amazing bang for buck amps/dacs that can be paired to great effect with the HD650 without entering the pitfalls of diminishing returns. This makes me wonder what your impressions would have been had you skipped the Cmoy and gone straight to something like the Matrix M-stage, any of the Audio-GD gear in that price bracket, or even the cheaper Fiio amp/dac combo.
I hope you now see that not all members are shills for expensive snake oil lathered equipment, and there is merit in upgrading your chain to a certain point. It should also be clear that those preaching otherwise (especially the one's that haven't even heard the HD650's potential realised) are actually doing you a disservice with the self righteous crap they're allowed to regurgitate.
olor1n, I think you're taking my statement too far. All I said was there was some difference. I question if the 100 bucks for the cmoy was worth the difference. I'm pretty sure that I will not believe 300 dollars would be worth the difference. I question whether it is worth going to anything above $100 for an amp. I do not think a dac is necessary, my dac is perfectly adequate.
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Interesting thread. I am often skeptical of claims about audio equipment. However I am more skeptical of people who claim science = truth. Such claims are no less judgement and ideology driven than any other claim. The scientific method involves numerous assumptions about how knowledge is undestood and produced but these are rarely acknowledged. "science" and "facts" don't exist in the natural world, they are words and concepts invented by humans and applied to the world.
French philosopher Michel Foucault did a lot of work exposing how supposedly scientific knowledges in medicine and criminology are the result of complex ideology, institutions and power relationships. The bottom line is that 'truth' is not an objective external thing, it is a contingent thing that is determined by whichever forces are the strongest.
A good quick example of this religion. I am an athiest. However the 'truth' of religion is more complicated. Someone might say that there is no scientific proof that God exists. But regardless, religion has a real impact on the world and this immense influence produces a truth in religion whether we like it or not.
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