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Help upgrading from Audio Technica ATH-M50s

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

 

Hi Dear fellow Head-Fiers,

 

Merry Christmas and happy holidays,

 

I have been using a pair of ATH-M50s for last two years and I would like to upgrade to another closed back set of cans. I really like the sound of my m50s but I would like to purchase a pair of HP with little more bass.

Here are what I am looking for….

 

1. A closed back pair of HP that can be used smoothly without amping.

2. I would mostly use them in the streets, work, coffee-shops etc. so they should not be too large. (so no Shure SRH840s please)

3. I mostly listen to rock (Rolling Stones, Queen, G 'N R, Journey, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Radiohead, REM etc. etc.), some classical, a little jazz, some world music, and some instrumentals.

4. For the low end I am looking for a little more bass than my M50s. I like the bass of the Senn HD650s a lot.

5. I really like the mids on my M50s will be happy with something similar. Just for comparison I do not like the in your face mids of Grados.

6. I really love the highs on my M50s. They hit the sweet spot for me. Any brighter and it would be harsh for me. I find Grados to be too bright.

7. My budget is US $300

 

So overall I am looking for something that is very similar to the ATH-M50s but a bit warmer. 

 

I usually do not listen to my music through headphones at home. I have a Klipsch system at home. And all my music are either in flac (for home use) or 320 kbps Lame mp3 (for portable use).

I use my Iphone 4 or Cowon J3 for music on the go. I do not intend to use an amp for my portable use.

 

Here are a few of the headphones I am considering…………

 

1. ATH ESW9A - but the bass is lower than m50

2. Ultrasone HFI 780 - too bright with bloated bass compared to M50?

3. Klipsch image one - too bass heavy?

4. B&W P5 - Just looks and nothing special?

5. SHURE SRH 440 - M50s are better?

6. Audio Technica ATH-ES10 - too expensive!!!!!!

7. Senn HD25- 1 II - ATH-M50s are better overall

 

Could you please help me out. I need purchase something around the new year. Thanks.

post #2 of 22

It seems to me, based on your preferences, that the Beyerdynamic T50p are the right 'phones for you.  They're portable with a foldable design, easily driven by portable sources and has exceptional sound quality.

post #3 of 22

Maybe look into the Shure SRH750DJ, Rock and Metal sounds fantastic through them, and I've heard they have more bass than the M-50s. I'm a basshead and they almost have too much bass.

post #4 of 22

Yea I think your suggestions and "worries" are probably quite close to truth so I'd also go with the previous poster, Shure 750DJs would fit the description the best probably, they should only have a little more bass than M50, have similar mids and highs but be a bit warmer/forward sounding than M50, basicly what you're asking for.

 

The frequency response graph is quite similar for both headphones, the Shure 750DJs are a bit higher boosted and thus should have slightly more forward/warm sound with slightly more bass and that's about it. Note the bass isn't quite boosted by 5dB if you thought that when reading the graph, that would be a huge difference. Because the rest of the frequencies are mostly also more boosted as well (except for the mids which would make them seem perhaps 0.5~1dB more recessed than on M50 which is basicly nothing noteworthy) when taking that into account the bass should probably only be something along 1.5 - 2dB stronger. (3dB is concidered as twice as loud).

 

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Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 12/25/10 at 6:39pm
post #5 of 22

honestly, get a 120-ohm adapter and try it with that.  It is relatively inexpensive to make one.  It'll be like a small extender, maybe 6" or so.  It sounds like that's effectively what you are looking for, in tone.  Give it a try and see if you need more or less.

post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 

@Clincher09 and @RPGWiZaRD

 

Thanks a lot. Now I am reading about the Shure 750DJs. Do you think I will miss the sweet highs of the M50s? 

I really like the highs on the M50s and do not want the bass to come at the expense of the highs.

I also do not consider myself a basshead! I see that the highs start dipping after 10kHz on the Shures.

 

If the highs are alright then I will get the Shures!

post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 

@Digital-Pride

 

Thanks. How would you compare the Beyerdynamic T50P with the premium DT 770 32 ohm one?

Can my iPhone drive it without an amp?

DT770 seems to have more bass and highs.

 

 

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post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 

@holland
 

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Originally Posted by holland View Post

honestly, get a 120-ohm adapter and try it with that.  It is relatively inexpensive to make one.  It'll be like a small extender, maybe 6" or so.  It sounds like that's effectively what you are looking for, in tone.  Give it a try and see if you need more or less.


Sorry I am not sure what kind of adapter you are talking about. Could you please explain or send me a link? Thanks.

post #9 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhaskarjyotik View Post

Sorry I am not sure what kind of adapter you are talking about. Could you please explain or send me a link? Thanks.



It's a 120-ohm resistor on each channel, in line.  The volume will be reduced, but it will effectively raise the bass and mids.  There is a difference in balance.  The highs reduce a bit too.  Things should get a bit warmer, which is what you indicated, warmth.

 

I understand you are looking for everything, but if you add warmth to change the tonal balance you will diminish the highs.
 

I usually make my own, with plugs, jacks, and cable.

post #10 of 22

The highs are really bright on my 750DJs, I also feel that if they were any brighter it would be a bit harsh.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhaskarjyotik View Post

@Clincher09 and @RPGWiZaRD

 

Thanks a lot. Now I am reading about the Shure 750DJs. Do you think I will miss the sweet highs of the M50s? 

I really like the highs on the M50s and do not want the bass to come at the expense of the highs.

I also do not consider myself a basshead! I see that the highs start dipping after 10kHz on the Shures.

 

If the highs are alright then I will get the Shures!

post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi again,

 

Could anyone tell me where can I get a pair of Shure SRH750DJs for a good price? Amazon has them for $150.

Is it a good price? Thanks.

post #12 of 22

That's where I got mine, and that's one of the best prices I've seen. 

post #13 of 22

HeadRoom has them for the same $150. I like them; they have a 30-day no questions asked return period, without a restocking fee. They'll usually price match for you, too, if you can show them a lower price from an authorized reseller. If you don't like them, it's not a hassle sending them back.

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/shure-srh750dj.php

post #14 of 22

Both Beyers are easily driven, but the T50p is the easier to drive as it is designed for portable use.  I'm not sure you'll like the DT770s due to the fact that they are very large headphones, but they are an excellent option nontheless.

post #15 of 22

If you go with the 750DJs make sure you burn them in for at least 30-50 hours. When I got mine and listened to them right out of the box I thought they sounded pretty weak, but they've had about 70 hours of burn in now and they sound great.

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