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T5P for non-portable/isolation use...does it have a purpose with a T1 in this world

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Thread Starter 
So I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders this:

If I already own the T1 and no interest in the portable or isolation factor of the T5P, is there any reason which I would prefer the T5P. If so, what is better?

Thanks!
post #2 of 15
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

So I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders this:

If I already own the T1 and no interest in the portable or isolation factor of the T5P, is there any reason which I would prefer the T5P. If so, what is better?

Thanks!


I recently heard the T5P at a local hifi store...it is really nice and likely one of the top 3 closed headphones I've heard, BUT, it's not the T1s. To my ears, the differences are like the DT770/600 vs. the DT880/600....with the latter being the superior headphone and the former being the closed version if a closed headphone was absolutely needed. I actually found the differences between the T5P and T1s greater than the DT770/DT880s. 

 

The T1's have much wider and deeper soundstage, and instrumental separation and just seemed like a more coherent headphone.

 

Could be due to the T5Ps using 32 ohm drivers and the T1s use the 600 ohm drivers (which I have always preferred with beyer cans)...not to mention the open (or semi-open wink.gif) vs. closed nature of both headphones.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 12/25/10 at 10:15am
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What did you guys think about T5Ps' musicality? Some reported them to be boring and uninvolving. Can you confirm that?

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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

What did you guys think about T5Ps' musicality? Some reported them to be boring and uninvolving. Can you confirm that?



boring and uninvolving?  no.  of course not still i'm thinking if i should get it.  after all it's stil no t1 but i do want a closed can.  it does isolate quite well. 

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I personally never heard them. I was inquiring mainly because I don't understand the point of the T5P. It's targeted toward the extreme audiophile. But I can't imagine a person would use it on the go or with an iPod. The T1 are semi-open but isolate fairly well. I imagine that the T5P uses close to the same exact driver as the T1 yet not a single review I've read says that the sound is equally good. I know the T5P is more efficient but from my experience the T1 were not super difficult to power and most people who have the $ to drop on the T1 will have an amp which can easily power the T1. Other than the indisputable improvement in leakage and slight isolation I simply don't see the point for a lesser-T1 at the exact same expensive pricepoint. Most audiophiles wouldn't prefer a closed model at this price point unless the enclosure was essential to improvement of the sound. So I guess I don't get it.....maybe of the T5P were $900 or around there I'd see the purpose. Or perhaps if I read that even one person preferred the sound of T5P to the T1 I'd understand it.
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 Or perhaps if I read that even one person preferred the sound of T5P to the T1 I'd understand it.


maybe i'll be that person when i get t5p?  i only been a t1 user for a few days(i heard t1 many time before).  also a new amp and i'm pairing them together.  i know new headphone new amp(rp010b, less than 24 hours) is not always nice to evaluate a/the headphone or a/the amp but i kind of like my trusty, old dt990/600 a bit more.  t5p sound more exciting to me from the couple times i heard.  i like t5p, i want a headphone on to go(i'm going to use a portable amp with an ipod) and i'm still thinking....

 

about the price point....maybe beyer was just too honest about the t1.  i guess a lot of people would feel better if t1 cost let say 1600 and t5p cost around the same now.......

post #7 of 15
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Maybe.....it probably has more bass and those who like bass may enjoy the spin the closed enclosure gives on the sound.  I'd like to hear Skylab's opinion when he has the chance to hear both side by side.  From what I remember he preferred the DT770 to the DT880 (at least at some point if I remember correctly)......I'm assuming the T5P will be basically the equivalent of the DT770 80 ohm to the DT880 600 ohm.

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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

AI personally never heard them. I was inquiring mainly because I don't understand the point of the T5P. It's targeted toward the extreme audiophile. But I can't imagine a person would use it on the go or with an iPod. The T1 are semi-open but isolate fairly well. I imagine that the T5P uses close to the same exact driver as the T1 yet not a single review I've read says that the sound is equally good. I know the T5P is more efficient but from my experience the T1 were not super difficult to power and most people who have the $ to drop on the T1 will have an amp which can easily power the T1. Other than the indisputable improvement in leakage and slight isolation I simply don't see the point for a lesser-T1 at the exact same expensive pricepoint. Most audiophiles wouldn't prefer a closed model at this price point unless the enclosure was essential to improvement of the sound. So I guess I don't get it.....maybe of the T5P were $900 or around there I'd see the purpose. Or perhaps if I read that even one person preferred the sound of T5P to the T1 I'd understand it.

 

I think you are missing the point. T5P is made to be used as portable and that is the only difference between T5P and T1. There is no point looking at T5P as a home phone.
 

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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

AI personally never heard them. I was inquiring mainly because I don't understand the point of the T5P. It's targeted toward the extreme audiophile. But I can't imagine a person would use it on the go or with an iPod. The T1 are semi-open but isolate fairly well. I imagine that the T5P uses close to the same exact driver as the T1 yet not a single review I've read says that the sound is equally good. I know the T5P is more efficient but from my experience the T1 were not super difficult to power and most people who have the $ to drop on the T1 will have an amp which can easily power the T1. Other than the indisputable improvement in leakage and slight isolation I simply don't see the point for a lesser-T1 at the exact same expensive pricepoint. Most audiophiles wouldn't prefer a closed model at this price point unless the enclosure was essential to improvement of the sound. So I guess I don't get it.....maybe of the T5P were $900 or around there I'd see the purpose. Or perhaps if I read that even one person preferred the sound of T5P to the T1 I'd understand it.

 

I think you are missing the point. T5P is made to be used as portable and that is the only difference between T5P and T1. There is no point looking at T5P as a home phone.
 



That is my point though..........why would anyone walk outside with an iPod and a huge beast of a headphone like the T5P? It's not a portable size.

post #10 of 15
I agree with you, but what we think is purely subjective. There are some people who wouldn't mind wearing huge headphones on the go. I dunno about spending so much on something that can possibly be stolen so easily.
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That is my point though..........why would anyone walk outside with an iPod and a huge beast of a headphone like the T5P? It's not a portable size.



I say thi is a personal preference and not something any can judge. Problem with portable headphone is that if you ar enot into IEMs there are not many portable phones that can be said to be great. You have AT ESW10s and a few others, but not too many of them reach the 'great' level. So if someone wants the best out of portable, they will wear big phones. I travel a lot and it does not really mater to me if phones are big or not as long as I get realy good sound out of them. 

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AI agree with you, but what we think is purely subjective. There are some people who wouldn't mind wearing huge headphones on the go. I dunno about spending so much on something that can possibly be stolen so easily.


In this world that is how it is. But loking at all the gadgets we carry every day and can get that stolen it would be the same with these pones. When I travel I always carry a lot ofvaluable stuff, including a laptop that is more expensive than T5Ps and I am in danger every day. What is the point of possessing a laptop though, if you are afraid to take it outside? 

post #13 of 15

I am just wondering, could anyone confirm if a closed T1 (hands covering the cans) sounds better than a T5? It looks like both headphones have similar driver placement (slanted as opposed to flat) and size so whats the difference between the 600 and 32 ohm drivers...

post #14 of 15

some weeks ago, i had the chance listening to a t5p. I was very impressed. Actually i did visit the audio shop for a akg702, but ended up dreaming about the beyer.

 

I'm not looking for a 100% portable headphone. Means i won't use it on the go. But would like to drive it with a portable amp (office, Vacations, garden etc). Therefor i'm thinking of a Ray Samuels Amp, like the mustang...

 

Since i would like to use the headphone in the office, i prefer a open system, not like the T5p. 

 

Unfortunately i don't have the chance listening to a T1. Special not in combination with a mustang. Besides the semi open design, I assume the 600ohm will perform better, than the 30ohms...

 

What would you guys success? T1 or a T5p, or even a T70?

I know, driving the T1 with a portable isn't the best thing to do. But in my opinion, a good headphone sounds better on a week source, than a bad headphone on a good source

 

post #15 of 15

This thread is rather slow lately, and my comment will be semi-off-topic, as I choose T5P exactly for their portability and isolation, still here I go:

I've had T5P for >3 weeks now. I was considering whether to keep them or to return them, but finally they will stay (some other gear will have to go though).

Among the phones which I have, CAL! sound amazing for the price, V6 are tough and reliable, HD-25-1 II (Adidas) beat the previous two in both those areas, and DT 1350 outresolve any other phones most of the time; yet none comes close to richness, detail and ability to involve of T5P with most recordings, and none beats T5P by a meaningful margin on any recording.

I suspect that DT880/600, K701 or HD600 with a well chosen source and amp actually might match T5P - at least for some people and some music.

But I just do not use a headphone setup which is not very simple and portable.

I came to a conclusion that I do not care for complicated solutions as far as headphones go (quite contrary to the speakers' setup), and I want phones I can plug into almost anything and get a good result every time. Now my kids keep growing, and they will be willing to listen to their own music more and more, and as our tastes may clash, I can keep DT880/600, K701 and HD600 for their future needs. Still D2000 will have to go w/o delay, and as for the aforementioned three, I will part with any which will fetch a fair price.

 

So for me the question would rather be: what is that open phones, which demand a desktop source and amp (and possibly a DAC), can offer over a pair of speakers...

 

 


Edited by Rudolfs - 12/24/11 at 4:14pm
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