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post #31 of 105
Pretty sure you'll be disappointed with that bassless rig
post #32 of 105

Just get a pair of HD600 / HD650's instead.  From what it sounds, the 598's are just a tweaked version of the 595's which pale in comparison to the HD600 / HD650's.

 

Also if these 598's are anything like the 595's then a portable amp will do little to nothing to help these out. 


Edited by Poetik - 12/25/10 at 3:34pm
post #33 of 105
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Just get a pair of HD600 / HD650's instead.  From what it sounds, the 598's are just a tweaked version of the 595's which pale in comparison to the HD600 / HD650's.

 

Also if these 598's are anything like the 595's then a portable amp will do little to nothing to help these out. 


This would be good advice if you also told people the HD650's are not easy to drive and aeven if you drive them well they still won't sound at their potential till they are synergised with a good amp and DAC. IF I ever got myself an HD650 I would spend the rest of the year testing different set up's to get fully what the HD650 offer and it would cost way more then the intial price, that's not something I suggest new kids do.

 

The HD555's sound pretty good out of just about anything, especially an entry level amp( Fiio E9). For the money the HD555's are well worth it.

post #34 of 105

I would suggest to the OP that he change the title of the thread. To offer such a blanket condemnation of a new phone just because it doesn't have enough bass for him is unfair to Sennheiser and unhelpful to those contemplating this phone. I happen to hate the AT AD700, but I'm not about to start a thread entitled: "Anyone planning on getting an AT AD700, DON'T!" That's just silly. AKG phones obviously suit some people and some musical genres, but not me or mine. Though I haven't yet heard the new Sennheiser series, I'm a great admirer of the 555/595 series which many people hate. Horses for courses, obviously. I don't believe the 598 series are designed for bass heavy genres, and adding EQ at the bottom end and turning them up to ear-bleeding levels (which I suspect some people here are doing) is a recipe for disaster.    

post #35 of 105

Can some (or many people) stop equating bass quantity with sound quality? Less bass means poor sound quality? What about mids and highs?

post #36 of 105
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Can some (or many people) stop equating bass quantity with sound quality? Less bass means poor sound quality? What about mids and highs?



IT depends on what you value, somepeople like a heavier bass headphone, some like a Heavier Mid phone. It's personal taste and trying to say that one way is best only makes things worse. You are doing just that by insisting that Bass is not important.

post #37 of 105


 

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I tend to crank up the volume when I start jamming, but with these headphones I can't. As soon as i start cranking it up, everything start to get out of control, this set cannot handle high SPL. I mean I haven't tried it with an amp, but I really don't think it can go any louder with out buzzing (the cheap car speaker buzz at high volume with bass turned all the way up sound)

 

This sounds like a need for amplification.  You're little mp3 player appears (from the description) to be clipping.  This is a classic description of audible clipping.  No headphones will break up at the volumes where you can maintain them on your ears.  It's the lack of drive.  You were probably clipping on other headphones too, but you may not have noticed it.
 

post #38 of 105
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Originally Posted by hentai View Post

Can some (or many people) stop equating bass quantity with sound quality? Less bass means poor sound quality? What about mids and highs?



IT depends on what you value, somepeople like a heavier bass headphone, some like a Heavier Mid phone. It's personal taste and trying to say that one way is best only makes things worse. You are doing just that by insisting that Bass is not important.



 

  I did not insist that bass is not important but for some or many people , bass equals quality which is something i disagree.  I rather they put it something like ' sounds good but not my cup of tea' or something. Hd800 doesn't have the bass of d7000 yet it is considered one of the best headphone around.

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Just get a pair of HD600 / HD650's instead.  From what it sounds, the 598's are just a tweaked version of the 595's which pale in comparison to the HD600 / HD650's.

 

Also if these 598's are anything like the 595's then a portable amp will do little to nothing to help these out. 


This would be good advice if you also told people the HD650's are not easy to drive and aeven if you drive them well they still won't sound at their potential till they are synergised with a good amp and DAC. IF I ever got myself an HD650 I would spend the rest of the year testing different set up's to get fully what the HD650 offer and it would cost way more then the intial price, that's not something I suggest new kids do.

 

The HD555's sound pretty good out of just about anything, especially an entry level amp( Fiio E9). For the money the HD555's are well worth it.

 

I'm not sure if you've owned the 595's and then owned a pair of HD600/650 but I have.  Even out of a cheap $100 emu 0404 dac/amp I was able to tell the immediate difference of performance between the lower tier 595 and the HD600/650.  Don't let the talk on here fool you that you need a superior setup to even begin to drive the HD600/650's because that's not true.  You can drive both the HD600 and HD650 to the vast majority of their potential with a cheap amp/dac like the audio gd FUN, nuforce HDP, and even the audio gd sparrow.  Sure you won't get that extra 5-10% but you're making it seem like just the mere thought of getting a HD650 should scare the hell outta anyone if he / she doesn't have a $1000 amp and a $2000 dac. 

 

 

 

 

 

post #40 of 105
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Originally Posted by hentai View Post

Can some (or many people) stop equating bass quantity with sound quality? Less bass means poor sound quality? What about mids and highs?



IT depends on what you value, somepeople like a heavier bass headphone, some like a Heavier Mid phone. It's personal taste and trying to say that one way is best only makes things worse. You are doing just that by insisting that Bass is not important.



 

  I did not insist that bass is not important but for some or many people , bass equals quality which is something i disagree.  I rather they put it something like ' sounds good but not my cup of tea' or something. Hd800 doesn't have the bass of d7000 yet it is considered one of the best headphone around.

Let me reword that, you insisting that people are wrong, when their is no right.

 

And also the D7000 is considered one of the best headphones around aswell, Marketing an $800 Closed headphone which boasts some pretty impressive bass response as well as a nice mid and extended highs that's quiet the feat, closed headphones are hardly considered "audiophile." Also you're talking to much about Frequincy response, Texture and Harmonic's is hardly ever spoken about and far more important to fidelity then "Which part of the graph is the loudest."

post #41 of 105
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

Just get a pair of HD600 / HD650's instead.  From what it sounds, the 598's are just a tweaked version of the 595's which pale in comparison to the HD600 / HD650's.

 

Also if these 598's are anything like the 595's then a portable amp will do little to nothing to help these out. 


This would be good advice if you also told people the HD650's are not easy to drive and aeven if you drive them well they still won't sound at their potential till they are synergised with a good amp and DAC. IF I ever got myself an HD650 I would spend the rest of the year testing different set up's to get fully what the HD650 offer and it would cost way more then the intial price, that's not something I suggest new kids do.

 

The HD555's sound pretty good out of just about anything, especially an entry level amp( Fiio E9). For the money the HD555's are well worth it.

 

I'm not sure if you've owned the 595's and then owned a pair of HD600/650 but I have.  Even out of a cheap $100 emu 0404 dac/amp I was able to tell the immediate difference of performance between the lower tier 595 and the HD600/650.  Don't let the talk on here fool you that you need a superior setup to even begin to drive the HD600/650's because that's not true.  You can drive both the HD600 and HD650 to the vast majority of their potential with a cheap amp/dac like the audio gd FUN, nuforce HDP, and even the audio gd sparrow.  Sure you won't get that extra 5-10% but you're making it seem like just the mere thought of getting a HD650 should scare the hell outta anyone if he / she doesn't have a $1000 amp and a $2000 dac. 

 


The thing is I don't like Open headphones that much, I'm just not impressed by them. The HD650 I used was on a Benchmark One DAC and Tube amp I didn't catch the name of but it looked like it cost more then my car, the set up was expensive to say the least and to say the leat it was the closest thing I've ever come to audio euphoria. I was stunned by it, and to be honest I've never quiet heard a set up that lived up to that expecially no other Open headphone. The HD555's though for the money are a decent set of headphones that  would satisfy someone looking for that sound signature and still do it at a bargin price.

 

Allso I never suggest HD595 as they are more of a cosmetic change then anything else. The HD555's especially now are and incredible value, I just don't value their sound myself I know someone will.

post #42 of 105
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SanDisk Sansa m230 MP3 Player > HD598 (no amp used for this review)



That's probably why you don't like them, why there is no bass, and why they distort when you crank up the volume.

post #43 of 105
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Originally Posted by hentai View Post

Can some (or many people) stop equating bass quantity with sound quality? Less bass means poor sound quality? What about mids and highs?



IT depends on what you value, somepeople like a heavier bass headphone, some like a Heavier Mid phone. It's personal taste and trying to say that one way is best only makes things worse. You are doing just that by insisting that Bass is not important.



It isn't personal taste, you know. Your personal taste may determine what you buy, and that's fine, but personal taste doesn't determine which are the best headphones; their accuracy, neutrality and closeness to the original sound does that. People here sometimes seem to forget that there is an absolute standard, and that's the sound of live music, and it's not good enough to say that we don't quite know what the music sounded like in the studio when it was recorded because we have a pretty good idea, and we have a pretty good idea which phones attempt to reproduce it accurately and which are just boom or screech boxes. Of course, if you listen to electronic music I can't help you, and you're free to choose whatever phones it sounds good on, but you're not free to claim that it all comes down to personal taste. If that were the case, Bose and Dr. Dre would be as good as Sennheiser and Audeze as long as you or others considered them so, but clearly no matter how many people consider them so, they aren't.

 

As for bass, in live music it has much less importance than is commonly imagined. It gains an exaggerated importance in certain genres like reggae and rap, and then it's all important, but serious phones should never be designed to sound good only in certain genres. A good phone is a balanced phone.      


Edited by pp312 - 12/25/10 at 11:49pm
post #44 of 105

Why should a $150 headphone need an amp? That's just poor design and people who are looking for an entry level headphone have the right to complain.

post #45 of 105
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Originally Posted by stevengotremix View Post

 

SanDisk Sansa m230 MP3 Player > HD598 (no amp used for this review)



Happy New Year stevengotremix! I think if you really want to serious in this audiophile business, a desktop amplifier is a very basic requirement. You can try as many headphones you want from the cheapest to the most expensive, as long as you have a desktop amplifier to play with! Come on, put out a desktop amp for steven!biggrin.gif 

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