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post #496 of 505
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Originally Posted by jibbeb View Post
 

Does ipod docks really have good inbuilt dacs in them??

 

Others are just wires, like the stock Apple docks - these are basically just splitters where you get line out in the 3.5mm slot and data/power in the dock's 30-pin - but as opposed to a regular cable with both this one holds your iPod up. For some that's important in some set-ups for neatness and convenience. For others like the Pure i20, Onkyo ND-S1, Wadia 170i, etc, they have circuits in them that send out a digital stream from the iPod (the Onkyo and Wadia AFAIK only have wires from the analog pin on the dock going to the RCA analog outputs). The Pure i20 however has a DAC in it, much like other devices that are certified iDevice DACs like the iDo and some portable solutions (the names I'm not too familiar with), except they don't come in a "dock" form factor. You can always use a stock Apple dock (plus maybe a CCK when necessary with non-iDevice specified DACs), to get a digital stream out of it while on a dock.

 

BTW, I have a vague memory that there was an Apple dock that did have one, but I can't be too sure. Something like the iP5 dock with a Cirrus Logic chip in it or something.

 

Here's an iPad on a stock Apple dock, but I have to use a CCK to activate the digital audio stream as I like my amp's USB DAC enough to not blow money on an HRT iStreamer, the only one I've listened to personally, especially when this is the only iDevice I have. I'd try the i20 but two things deterred me from buying without using it first (I'm not in the US so return shipping would be hell) : I'm not sure how stable it is if I have a 9.7" tablet on it, and I'm not really a fan of DACs and CDPs using the CS4398.

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Similar to the example above, here's an Android phone on a dock with a USB OTG adapter cable hooked up to the dock's output instead of the CCK as on the iPad above


Edited by ProtegeManiac - 1/1/14 at 6:38pm
post #497 of 505

sorry but im a noob , what does the apple dock really do?

post #498 of 505
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Originally Posted by jibbeb View Post
 

sorry but im a noob , what does the apple dock really do?

 

For the most part? It holds it up - it's basically an organizer, the same way you have some iPad cases where the cover folds into a stand to keep it upright, except it has the plugs and sockets to run its ports towards the back out of view from the front. If you want to use an LOD cable for the lineout to a portable, or a short sync cable for your Fostex portable iDevice DAC, these will work well enough without a dock. Using a dock, which has the male dock connector (30-pin or Lightning; and mini-USB for Android equivalent) into which you dock the device like old mobile phones with the batteries on the outside (or the Starship Enterprise docking into a base), just keeps it ergonomic and neat, as there's a female equivalent wired to the male connector on the back of the dock.

 

Look at the photos I posted - I can skip the docks used there (see below)*, but the iPad and the SGS3 will sit flat on the table or my lap, with a cable running through it, and any movement I do can dislodge the cable going around the table. Use a dock, and when I get home, I just dock the device and power up the amp. All cables are neatly behind the dock and the amp (as they are on CDPs/transports+DAC and...well...amps), the device is held upright by the dock and I use one hand to manipulate the touchscreen instead of one hand holding it up.

 

 

I just don't want cables run around my table like these...

 

 

....And instead, I want my set-ups (as the photos in my previous reply) to look more like these:

 

Of course on my set-up the cables are still somewhat visible, but for example on that photo above the amp and CDP are large enough to hide them (if the magazine even had cables in them for that photo).


Edited by ProtegeManiac - 1/1/14 at 9:52pm
post #499 of 505
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post

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God, you must be kidding me. OK, I'm tired of quoting them properly, look it up there again yourself, but here's a summary:
 

 

LOL. Now that's funny.

 

But seriously, my brain keeps tuning out what you type, even though I keep trying to read it. You have a problem with abusing other people, but apparently the mods haven't noticed. Oh well. I'm not going to allow you to continue to be abusive to me. So I'm giving up. Welcome to my blocked list.

 


Edited by UmustBKidn - 1/2/14 at 2:13am
post #500 of 505
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Originally Posted by jibbeb View Post
 

sorry but im a noob , what does the apple dock really do?

 

A dock by itself just holds the ipod.

 

A dock attached to an alarm clock, also has alarm clock functions.

 

A dock attached to a DAC, provides a Digital to Analog Converter. Basically that means it converts the digital sound stored on your computer, into something your ears can understand.

post #501 of 505
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Originally Posted by UmustBKidn View Post
 

 

LOL. Now that's funny.

 

But seriously, my brain keeps tuning out what you type, even though I keep trying to read it. You have a problem with abusing other people, but apparently the mods haven't noticed. Oh well. I'm not going to allow you to continue to be abusive to me. So I'm giving up. Welcome to my blocked list.

 

Well that explains a lot.

post #502 of 505

I'm afraid this device is pretty pointless right now, as iOS 7 now allows iDevices to stream digital audio to an external DAC via a USB adapter. You could get the adapter and a better-sounding DAC for less than the price of the i-20.

post #503 of 505
It's still a great little device...a well integrated charger with stand that outputs audio and video, and has a digital audio output that can connect right to a home theater system (or a better DAC if desired). It can be an unobtrusive part of a home entertainment system. For $99 shipped, it's still not bad, but yes, twice what one could spend to get the digital out of an iPod or phone. It is getting dated though, it could use lightning connector and HDMI....
post #504 of 505
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post
 

I'm afraid this device is pretty pointless right now, as iOS 7 now allows iDevices to stream digital audio to an external DAC via a USB adapter. You could get the adapter and a better-sounding DAC for less than the price of the i-20.

 

 

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Originally Posted by GrindingThud View Post

It's still a great little device...a well integrated charger with stand that outputs audio and video, and has a digital audio output that can connect right to a home theater system (or a better DAC if desired). It can be an unobtrusive part of a home entertainment system. For $99 shipped, it's still not bad, but yes, twice what one could spend to get the digital out of an iPod or phone. It is getting dated though, it could use lightning connector and HDMI....



Not completely pointless, true, but there are a lot of other alternatives. As per my banging my head on a brick wall several posts prior, it was a good bargain for price and usefulness when it came out but now we have the CCK and iOS7. Plus a lot of HT receivers from 2011 onwards have iPod (and by now Android) USB-A inputs, even entry-level receivers (although some have it on the front, which makes a mess of the wires), and for less than $500 some already have network capabilities. However, still not completely useless for some who want a proper home audio set-up even if iOS7 can do USB audio even on an iPhone for a few reasons:

1) For those who want to keep their iDevice on a dock, the cost of dock+CCK would be around $60 (iPhone dock, but I could be wrong) or more (for the iPad dock), which lowers the price gap; and

2) If someone is still using a legacy DAC (ie, pre-USB) whose sound they still like (contrary to popular belief, a balanced-sounding output stage will keep a DAC in the running vs newer chips with output stages that compromise on cost if not deliberately color the sound). I had an old 20-bit EAD before, and as much as I liked the sound, at the time I thought $90 for a USB to SPDIF converter (I didn't have an iDevice, this was not the i20) for my laptop was too expensive. I later regret selling it. The sound was actually unspectacular next to some other DACs but the sound was smooth without being warm, and a lot of microdetails easily audible whereas you might have to strain to hear them over the warm or bright sound of other DACs. Think of how Schiit got around this by making an upgradeable USB module on the Bifrost.

 

3) It charges the iDevice mounted on it. If I had remembered that at the time, I'd have coughed up the extra $35 for it instead of a CCK and iPad dock and just try to not knock it off the i20 (then again I can just blutac the i20 to my table, so at least it won't fall over and hopefully not the iPad).

post #505 of 505

Right, I should've clarified. The impression I got from this thread was that most people used this for the primary purpose of outputting to an external DAC, and it's now pointless only in that sense. If you want to use its other features, by all means get one.

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