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post #571 of 3429
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

 

The only speaker amps I have heard with the HE6's are an old Rotel and old Nad amps providing 50-80wpc and a new Virtue Sensation M451 Tripath amp with tube buffer and battery power supply and my Audio-gd Master-6 is in a different leauge.

 

Noted, it certainly has the power like the rest of them but what is it that separates the M6 from the others for you?

 

It really does look like an excellent choice!

 

edit: it looks like it's been replaced by the Master 8, a little less power but still enough to drive the HE6 well.


Edited by grokit - 10/3/12 at 4:09am
post #572 of 3429
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

 

Noted, it certainly has the power like the rest of them but what is it that separates the M6 from the others for you?

 

It really does look like an excellent choice!

 

Compared to the Rotel & Nad (sorry can't remember the models but they were priced around £250 - £400 when new) the M6 just had more clarity, speed, detail, dynamics and cohesion. Even when the volume is cranked very high on some lower level recordings the M6 showes no sense that it was struggling and had no loss of SQ.

 

Compared to the Virtue, which I did own, the background is totally black where the M451 had slight hiss, which made it unuseable with other phones like LCD's, K701 and T1's. Although the M451 was very close possibly equal to the M6 with regards clarity, detail and speed it was absolutely trounced in the weight, body, texture and dynamics department. In fact I would even put it slightly below, especially for musicality, the Audio-gd Roc.


Edited by nigeljames - 10/4/12 at 1:16am
post #573 of 3429
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

 

Agreed BUT I was replying to those people who think that you can put ANY speaker amp in front of the HE6's and it will automatically sound brilliant and better than any headphone amp can.  

 

The only speaker amps I have heard with the HE6's are an old Rotel and old Nad amps providing 50-80wpc and a new Virtue Sensation M451 Tripath amp with tube buffer and battery power supply and my Audio-gd Master-6 is in a different leauge.

 

Fair enough, but you cant put 'any speaker amp' in front of a pair of SPEAKERS and expect them to automagically sound brilliant - not sure why some would assume that would work with headphones hooked  to the same speaker taps. The upside, assuming the dealer was OK with it, is that you could audition a variety of modern speaker amps with the HE-6 a lot more easily than most of us can audition Audio-gd or Woo gear. Just sayin. 

post #574 of 3429
I guess it's subjective what "quality" is when reading advice. Quality may not be tied to cost but sure seems that way most of the time.

As for headphone vs speaker amps for this headphone, there are some $2,000 headphone amps that have never been known not to do a fabulous job on anything put on them, and they did not perform as well as using a quality used speaker amp. The majority of headphone amps in this market will not drive the 6s to full sonic potential based on owners comparing. Believe me, I don't like that I spent $2k on a pretty good headphone amp to find it don't cut it with these headphones. I like the headphones so I'll find something that does drive them well. Not a knock on my headphone amp, just not built for this ortho.

I've found several speaker amps that didn't cut it either. Wattage didn't seem to be the determining factor. I heard high power with congested presentation. I've heard low power with a surreal soundstage. Finding that happy point will take some experimenting.
post #575 of 3429
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

I guess it's subjective what "quality" is when reading advice. Quality may not be tied to cost but sure seems that way most of the time.
As for headphone vs speaker amps for this headphone, there are some $2,000 headphone amps that have never been known not to do a fabulous job on anything put on them, and they did not perform as well as using a quality used speaker amp. The majority of headphone amps in this market will not drive the 6s to full sonic potential based on owners comparing. Believe me, I don't like that I spent $2k on a pretty good headphone amp to find it don't cut it with these headphones. I like the headphones so I'll find something that does drive them well. Not a knock on my headphone amp, just not built for this ortho.
I've found several speaker amps that didn't cut it either. Wattage didn't seem to be the determining factor. I heard high power with congested presentation. I've heard low power with a surreal soundstage. Finding that happy point will take some experimenting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

post #576 of 3429
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post


I've found several speaker amps that didn't cut it either. Wattage didn't seem to be the determining factor.

I'll say it again.  If wattage was the determining factor, we'd all be using pro audio amps. eek.gif

post #577 of 3429

I'm using a $200 balanced/dual mono SS pro audio NFM/speaker amp, and it out-performs my $2,000 balanced tube headphone amp with the HE6 by a country mile. It's only 45wpc > 8ohms, or 7.2wpc > 50ohms so not much wattage at all for this type of amp. But it's more than enough for the HE6.


Edited by grokit - 10/5/12 at 9:19pm
post #578 of 3429

I thought the pro audio crowd favored active speakers over anything that needed an amp ?

post #579 of 3429

Here's a useful article about near-field monitoring from Sweetwater, the only time the word active comes up is when they are discussing subwoofers.

 

"Information from the Tannoy Near-Fields Handbook": http://www.sweetwater.com/NearField/

 

Tannoy is a very popular brand of passive pro audio near-field monitors. I suppose it comes down to personal taste and space/ergonomic considerations whether to go active or passive, but I have been to recording studios where they prefer passive monitors so they can switch between different sets of speakers driven by the same amp.


Edited by grokit - 10/6/12 at 6:43pm
post #580 of 3429
I got my 6 few days ago, I paired with master 6 and not so impressive, volume needed to 70/72.
Then , I let master 6 as pre amp
, a 300b as power amp, 300b speaker out to Hifiman adapter to drive 6.
This setup was very impressive, initial impressive was - 300b itself is very good at vocal, but weak at speed,
Master 6 itself is very good at details, this makes a sweet chemical reaction.
This setup gave details , punchy, wide soundstage, transparency,sweet vocal.
This was my first night impression,
Next day found bad contact, right side driver lost audio, too bad qc, need to wait
For 1 week for a new hp.

As I said before, 300b is weak at speed, 1812 demanded peak dynamic is not enjoyable.

Next step after I received my new hp, will consider the following project:
1. Make a new cable with speaker jumper at one end , to let speaker out drive
He-6 directly.
2. Get a solid state amp to listen to 1812, any budget recommendatio ?
post #581 of 3429

The HiFIMan adapter has two resistors if I have understood this correctly and one of them is only for protection when used with high power amps (more than 100W in 8 Ohm). This is not the case with your 300B amp. In other words I would suggest removing the resistor in series with the HE-6 and keeping the resistor in parallel for impedance correction. This way you should have more available power to the headphone.

 

Disclaimer: I haven't got the HiFiMan adapter or a valve amp myself - so this is only based on what I have read here on Head-Fi.

post #582 of 3429
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Originally Posted by colour97 View Post

I got my 6 few days ago, I paired with master 6 and not so impressive, volume needed to 70/72.
Then , I let master 6 as pre amp
, a 300b as power amp, 300b speaker out to Hifiman adapter to drive 6.
This setup was very impressive, initial impressive was - 300b itself is very good at vocal, but weak at speed,
Master 6 itself is very good at details, this makes a sweet chemical reaction.
This setup gave details , punchy, wide soundstage, transparency,sweet vocal.
This was my first night impression,
Next day found bad contact, right side driver lost audio, too bad qc, need to wait
For 1 week for a new hp.
As I said before, 300b is weak at speed, 1812 demanded peak dynamic is not enjoyable.
Next step after I received my new hp, will consider the following project:
1. Make a new cable with speaker jumper at one end , to let speaker out drive
He-6 directly.
2. Get a solid state amp to listen to 1812, any budget recommendatio ?

 

Damn you listen pretty loud mate!  I listen at 20-50 maximum, and I use ACCS between my DAC and the Master 6.  With XLR I used to use 40 max.  I do have a suspicion that a speaker amplifier will work even better, just need to find something suitable which wont cost way too much money and lift the noise floor.  I would also need to get a sparkie in to add extra GPO's, so not such a straightforward upgrade.  I'm pretty happy with the Master 6 in the meantime anyway, only possible shortcoming is the bass is a little laid back, but still fine for my tastes.

post #583 of 3429
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Originally Posted by colour97 View Post

I got my 6 few days ago, I paired with master 6 and not so impressive, volume needed to 70/72.
Then , I let master 6 as pre amp
, a 300b as power amp, 300b speaker out to Hifiman adapter to drive 6.
This setup was very impressive, initial impressive was - 300b itself is very good at vocal, but weak at speed,
Master 6 itself is very good at details, this makes a sweet chemical reaction.
This setup gave details , punchy, wide soundstage, transparency,sweet vocal.
This was my first night impression,
Next day found bad contact, right side driver lost audio, too bad qc, need to wait
For 1 week for a new hp.
As I said before, 300b is weak at speed, 1812 demanded peak dynamic is not enjoyable.
Next step after I received my new hp, will consider the following project:
1. Make a new cable with speaker jumper at one end , to let speaker out drive
He-6 directly.
2. Get a solid state amp to listen to 1812, any budget recommendatio ?

 

Like Drez said if you are listening at 70/72 then you do listen extremely high volume unless something is a miss. I have a couple of disks that are recorded on the (very) quiet side and I still only need to go to 60-65/70 with no audio issues arising.

Please report back when you get your new HE-6's. BTW are you sure the HE-6 lead was connecting fully. They can be a bit fiddly.

 

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Originally Posted by drez View Post

 

Damn you listen pretty loud mate!  I listen at 20-50 maximum, and I use ACCS between my DAC and the Master 6.  With XLR I used to use 40 max.  I do have a suspicion that a speaker amplifier will work even better, just need to find something suitable which wont cost way too much money and lift the noise floor.  I would also need to get a sparkie in to add extra GPO's, so not such a straightforward upgrade.  I'm pretty happy with the Master 6 in the meantime anyway, only possible shortcoming is the bass is a little laid back, but still fine for my tastes.

 


I have to say I feel the bass on the Master-6 is stunning. Absolutely not laid back, but maybe that's the difference between the NFB-7 and Ref 7 dacs.


Edited by nigeljames - 10/14/12 at 7:51am
post #584 of 3429
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Originally Posted by drez View Post

Damn you listen pretty loud mate!  I listen at 20-50 maximum, and I use ACCS between my DAC and the Master 6.  With XLR I used to use 40 max.  I do have a suspicion that a speaker amplifier will work even better, just need to find something suitable which wont cost way too much money and lift the noise floor.  I would also need to get a sparkie in to add extra GPO's, so not such a straightforward upgrade.  I'm pretty happy with the Master 6 in the meantime anyway, only possible shortcoming is the bass is a little laid back, but still fine for my tastes.

They do seduce you to reach for the volume knob. Guilty as charged your honor.
post #585 of 3429

I'm confused - please clarify.

 

The HiFiMan adapter is to protect the Amp or to protect the Headphones?

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