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post #2656 of 3427
Nope, no opamp rolling..can u imagine how much time it would take to do that?..i know how much time it took for gilbert to make my amp.and he is a pro at it..maybe one of the best in the audio industry..

And another no... No need for opamp rolling..he tried them all in the long more then 20 years of experience in which tried all opamps possible in his opamp based amps (allmost all his amps are opamp based more or less)

and he uses only the best of the best..once a respected reviewer asked him what kind he uses..he didnt get a clear answer..only that its roots comes from the high end industry .(whatever that means)... And, and i quote' we have to validate/appreciate what comes out of the amp..not whats in it..

So no one knows what kind of opamps he uses..but the reviewers who were allowed to review one of his pieces are all stunned how they sound..so i am guessing he must be using some kind of high quality opamps to achieve that.

.damn....looking at how the inside looks like..i cant even start to imagine how much work that has to be for a single man to do that.its almost looks like its assembled by a robot..so clean and symmetric all the hand soldered cables are.

The mainamp is truly a piece of art on the inside..blue painted insides..hello..anyone seen that before? Or the 14g steel used for the chassis instead of the more regularely used aluminium.. He could use non branded xlr 3pin sockets and 1/4 socket ....but no..he used high quality lockable Neutrik with the silver pins..not copper..he even used a 4pin xlr of same series on the backside to connect the external powersupply instead of a cheapish standard iem socket..so all in all its not whats in it what counts if we talk about BC products..its what comes out of it..whether ur using speakers or in my case a headphone.

Never thought i would say it..but i think i found my endgame rig together with my code-x
post #2657 of 3427
@Al: I have his pdf about the design on my screen, he didn't say he did not like the sound. He did say it surprised him, he had expected more of a third harmonic component and dynamism, going by experience and the wave forms he saw on his scope but it had a sweetness to it. Was very positive about the distortion and overall sound. In wine terms he compared it to his typical power amps the way a Riesling auslese (sweet white wine from the Moselle basin in Germany) stands to a rich cabernet. I'm guessing that's a compliment although there are imo vastly more crappy Riesling Ausleses than good ones. Anyway, I can't see the design going into production, cost would be prohibitive, imagine all the soldering alone. And on this scale (power amp) there would have to be a very significant advantage over the alternatives to make it viable.
post #2658 of 3427
Ok I'll give you credit. When I seen all thT stuff I thought to myself brunk would build it LOL. BUT when he did not praise it , I said oh well. I do intend to get one of his amps most likely a F5 for the he 6. For speakers and preamps his stuff is ultra hi end so his opinion is on hi regard for sure. Anyway if you go to the ny meet I am bringing the hd800 and the hdvd800 with a social guest . I promise to start some good conversation when people hear it. I think there are many really good amps but like good wine we all have varying taste . The F3 I heard was a really amazing clarity of sound to it .
To say it was thin really is incorrect . But when you try a few other amps you feel it lacks impact . But the it really did sound like the stax 009. Not kidding. And that had me wondering how good his amps really are.

Al
post #2659 of 3427

No op amps for me.  I had my fair share of op amp rolling.  I'd rather have an all discrete amp.  Sounds much cleaner to my ears.  Op amps give different flavors depending on the op amp used - out of the ones I've tried none sound as clean as an all discrete amp.  

post #2660 of 3427
Not HE-6, but HE-5LE's here; nearly as difficult to drive

Just finished an impedance matching box. Listening now off the 16 ohm speaker taps on my DIY PP 6B4G amps. Running 30 ohm resistors in parallel (in box) so that the amps see roughly 16 ohms; no resistance in series to pad the output. Volume is fine, gets too loud at 10 o'clock

Sounds really, really good. Plenty of power. Yeah, some 60 cycle hum from the AC filaments but not bad, directly heated triodes are worth it.

I haven't had good cans in years; quite a treat! Much different presentation compared to my JBL L300 based horns, miss the dynamics a bit. But I'll get more listening done when the Mrs is home.

Signal chain: Marantz SA8004->HH Scott 355 tuner/pre->PP 6B4G->impedance box->HE-5LE
Edited by beancounter0 - 3/17/14 at 7:51pm
post #2661 of 3427
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

No op amps for me.  I had my fair share of op amp rolling.  I'd rather have an all discrete amp.  Sounds much cleaner to my ears.  Op amps give different flavors depending on the op amp used - out of the ones I've tried none sound as clean as an all discrete amp.  


but u never heard a Blue circle audio amp also..maybe u should try out one..i understand the BC brand and its dealers in the states visit shows regularely...so am sure u could bump onto one easily...to see if ur believe about the better built opamp based amps is still less cleaner then a discrete amp...i see u buying a BC amp one day... :D

 

as for ur info..my amp is very natural sounding basically...but i agree with u on one thing...i once had a matrix mstage that was opamp based also..and ur right..it was very colored and dark sounding..but..u have good build amps and ..well u know what i wanna say..and this amp totally caught me by surprise..and if u look up the amp on which its based on (the NSL) u will find out that EVERYONE who tries that amp is fabergasted how it sounds..and how different..it doesnt sound like a tube or SS amp..

 

but my amp has a break-in period of at least 1 month 24-7 playing time..so the sound can still change..but the base is there..and its a sound i never expected and i am afraid i wont want to part from it...


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/18/14 at 8:29am
post #2662 of 3427

That's why I asked if the op amps was in the signal path.  If they are - it doesn't matter if Blue Circle, AMB or Nelson Pass designed it, in all likely hood the sound will take on that of the op amp "In most cases" - that's why people roll op amps.   In my experience I never heard an op amp that was neutral.  That's why I gave up on them and went discrete.

 

I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all.  Of course some people like the sound and the ability to roll op amps and some people don't.  I just happen to be in the all discrete camp.  

 

I'm sure your amp sounds very good and it fits your needs and sound preference.  :biggrin:

post #2663 of 3427
I understand my friend....and i agree..almost all amps have some kind of coloration..or else it would be a very boring sounding amp (i understand the o2 is almost neutral)...

if u read my first ever 'review' (see my signature)u will read about a touch to much bass and some hot treble...so thats for sure not neutral...i tried to be as objective as possible now 'the new toys WOW factor' has subdued now..and its not the perfect amp..but which is..but it sounds sooooo good...
And it sounds like anything i ever heard before..not ss or tubey..something else..organic..more real...like going from a virtual 5.1 2speaker rig on a 2x50watt (supermarket quality) amp of 150usd TO a real high quality 7.1 full size 8-speaker set on a 700w high end surround amp for ur blue ray rig..it has just more of everything. wink.gif
but i have to admit the headphone i have now atributes to that sound in a way... And yeah it makes me happy..and thats what counts..no matter what kind of amps/dacs/headphones/cables etc. u like or want wink.gif

If it makes u happy..dont fuss about it...stick with it and enjoy!
Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/18/14 at 8:43am
post #2664 of 3427

Cool, now time to try different headphones on the amp.  See what clicks..

post #2665 of 3427
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Cool, now time to try different headphones on the amp.  See what clicks..

i already know of two headphones who click perfectly...the HE6 (for which this amp was designed, tested upon and built innitially) and my Code-X.. both very powerhungry (my Code-X is said to be even more powerhungry then the standard HE5 because of the extra secret dampening modification)..

but soon there is a Benelux (germany, belgian, the netherlands) meeting and then i will have the opportunity to try out the he6, hd800 and lcd3 as i have both XLR 3pin and single 1/4 output on my amp....but i heared rumors the code-x bests them all in audio quality and total musicalily..it wouldnt surprise me though..hearing what i hear now compared to my modded he500 that i had (that sounded better then a lcd2.2) and knowing what the builder of the Code-X did with the Paradox he made...we will have to see then..but until now...its best i ever heard..no matter the price range..and i once heard a sr007 mk2 on a srm717 (if my memory serves me right) amp and from my memory my rig is more musical and organic, the stax probbaly will win on treble reproduction and maybe even on soundstage..as no other brands can compete with a better electrostat on that.. but moving u with music.. yep..this rig comes close to ...(.u fill in what i wanted to say)..as its almost to hard to believe... wink.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/18/14 at 10:29am
post #2666 of 3427
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Cool, now time to try different headphones on the amp.  See what clicks..

i already know of two headphones who click perfectly...the HE6 (for which this amp was designed, tested upon and built innitially) and my Code-X.. both very powerhungry (my Code-X is said to be even more powerhungry then the standard HE5 because of the extra secret dampening modification)..

but soon there is a Benelux (germany, belgian, the netherlands) meeting and then i will have the opportunity to try out the he6, hd800 and lcd3 as i have both XLR 3pin and single 1/4 output on my amp....but i heared rumors the code-x bests them all in audio quality and total musicalily..it wouldnt surprise me though..hearing what i hear now compared to my modded he500 that i had (that sounded better then a lcd2.2) and knowing what the builder of the Code-X did with the Paradox he made...we will have to see then..but until now...its best i ever heard..no matter the price range..and i once heard a sr007 mk2 on a srm717 (if my memory serves me right) amp and from my memory my rig is more musical and organic, the stax probbaly will win on treble reproduction and maybe even on soundstage..as no other brands can compete with a better electrostat on that.. but moving u with music.. yep..this rig comes close to ...(.u fill in what i wanted to say)..as its almost to hard to believe... wink.gif

 

In this thread we try to comment on things we've actually heard ourselves.  Not what others say ie.. (rumors):biggrin:  But reading all your previous post - we already knew you liked how your amp and headphones sound before you even heard them. :biggrin:

 

Just because a particular amp was made for a particular headphone does not mean it will all ways sound good together.

For example - take the Senn. HDVD800 amp that was made specifically for the HD800s  Some folks like it a lot (AL)  Some folks don't like it at all.  So you have to hear it for yourself to judge.

 

I owned the Paradox, wasn't a big fan of it.  Not a musical headphone at all, But other folks love it.  So to each is own.  

 

I myself would not buy the Code-X.  To start -  it's an inferior driver compared to the HE-6, HE5-LE and the HE-500.  I'm sure the mods have improved the sound. But for the cost of a brand new HE-6...  No thanks.

 

However, I would (and going to) buy a second HE-6 and get the grill mod done on them.  I heard Happy Campers and decided to me it's worth owning both.

post #2667 of 3427
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

In this thread we try to comment on things we've actually heard ourselves.  Not what others say ie.. (rumors):biggrin:  But reading all your previous post - we already knew you liked how your amp and headphones sound before you even heard them. :biggrin:

 

Just because a particular amp was made for a particular headphone does not mean it will all ways sound good together.

For example - take the Senn. HDVD800 amp that was made specifically for the HD800s  Some folks like it a lot (AL)  Some folks don't like it at all.  So you have to hear it for yourself to judge.

 

I owned the Paradox, wasn't a big fan of it.  Not a musical headphone at all, But other folks love it.  So to each is own.  

 

I myself would not buy the Code-X.  To start -  it's an inferior driver compared to the HE-6, HE5-LE and the HE-500.  I'm sure the mods have improved the sound. But for the cost of a brand new HE-6...  No thanks.

 

However, I would (and going to) buy a second HE-6 and get the grill mod done on them.  I heard Happy Campers and decided to me it's worth owning both.

well i did hear a he6 on a meet for a while.and wanted one..but didnt have the amp for it...thats why i wanted an amp to drive it well...and the builder actually USED A HE6 to see how it sounded during the building/testing process...its not some one of a million mass production amp as the one u mentioned.. and i know for a fact that Gilbert has pretty good ears to decide whether an amp is right for a headphone/speakers or not..or else he would be out of business already and not being around for more then 20years..

 

.but as u say: yep it could be that it wont pair well with the phone my amp was made for...to my ears..thats possible..and thats the risk i took..but the code-x just pairs perfectly with this amp..lucky me..

 

..a paradox not musical?? okay..which modded fostex ts50r phone u do find musical if i may ask? the alpha dogs maybe?..  oh well..its always personal.

 

have u ever heard a code-x?? if u read up on the code-x thread u will read that the first owner of a code-x actually tried the lcd3,  the he6, and the hd800 and compared it to the code-x he had...well..u probably know the answer to that... ;)

 

but seriously..how can u say that an oldfashioned/inferior driver design is perse worse then a new design?? how about a he90/he60 (orpheus/mini orpheus)? the Jade? the sr009 mk1? the HE6 design goes also back couple of years years already(2010..where the HE5 was introduced in 2009 if i am not mistaken) ...and there are more of those...dinausorus in design..but i would give my kidney to own one..no matter how old their design is...

 

and pls try a code-x..maybe u will be surprised (there is one for sale i understand..because of personal reasons of the owner)...

 

as i said..i will be doing a comparision on a very cosy small meet that will take place in the next 2 months...hearing many higher end phones on my amp... but until now..and trusting my ears and my memory..this phone is best i heard until now...and its all personal ofcourse...the he6 is for sure one of the best phones on the market..and if the code-x wouldnt cross my road i would for sure now own one! as its for sure worth its asking price...

 

and no..i didnt know that i would like my amp and headphone before hand soundwise.....to be honest..i dont get where u get that from! i only would have said: 'that it would be something special knowing the reputation of the builders'..how can i say i will like the sound if i didnt even know how they would look like? :confused:

 

but we as i said many times...our ears decide whether something is RIGHT or not...and i am sure u will like the HE6...just as much i like my code-x..even if its a design out of the middle ages.. :D 


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/18/14 at 3:06pm
post #2668 of 3427

Come on Hifimanrookie! You have been bragging about your new super duper amp for the past 6 months at least so you are not fooling anybody here. :D

post #2669 of 3427

Ha ha ha..  

:beerchug: 

post #2670 of 3427
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Come on Hifimanrookie! You have been bragging about your new super duper amp for the past 6 months at least so you are not fooling anybody here. :D


only that it would be GOOD..and powerful...didnt say HOW it would sound..BUT NOT ON THIS THREAD! I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THIS THREAD BEFORE IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN..LOLZ

and it turns out to be that i didnt brag (if u wanna call it) any word about it... so lets us PUT THIS TO REST NOW..

but if ur interested to how it sounds..even thinking i am nuts....check my review..if not.. well..keep on thinking i bragged about it then..i know better now... :D


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/18/14 at 3:49pm
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