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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

What about the Bakoon AMP 12r? :rolleyes:

 

The Bakoon amps intrigue me, their current-based design sounds like it could be a very good match for the HE-6. Has anyone heard this pairing?

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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

The Bakoon amps intrigue me, their current-based design sounds like it could be a very good match for the HE-6. Has anyone heard this pairing?
Note that it is not current driven at the output, it just works in current mode internally like the Master-9.
It is a power amp so it needs to be compatible with multi-woofer speakers (99% of the market). The only current output power amps I know are the Firstwatt F1J and F2J. They are experimental amps.

The HPA-21 has a current output, but according to 6moons, it is less potent than the voltage output in the specific case of the HE-6.
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post


Note that it is not current driven at the output, it just works in current mode internally like the Master-9.
It is a power amp so it needs to be compatible with multi-woofer speakers (99% of the market). The only current output power amps I know are the Firstwatt F1J and F2J. They are experimental amps.

The HPA-21 has a current output, but according to 6moons, it is less potent than the voltage output in the specific case of the HE-6.

 

Yes, the HPA-21 is the one I was thinking of.

post #2479 of 4874
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

What about the Bakoon AMP 12r? rolleyes.gif
I was just looking at that last night!

Then I decided against it since it's an integrated.
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Anyone tried the Stratus?
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It sounds like the woo wa 5
It a good amp but in my opinion not worth
A year to get one.

Al
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

What about the Bakoon AMP 12r? rolleyes.gif
Sorry cannot afford (i probably not belong to summit fi)..

I bought the he-adapter and this instead:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/clones/1.html

After setting it up, i have like 30min listening to some familiar tracks..immediate improvement is that the he-6 has opened up space between instrument giving a stronger sense of space in music..i think i like it but will probably need a bit more time over the weekend to see..
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Sorry cannot afford (i probably not belong to summit fi)..

I bought the he-adapter and this instead:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/clones/1.html

After setting it up, i have like 30min listening to some familiar tracks..immediate improvement is that the he-6 has opened up space between instrument giving a stronger sense of space in music..i think i like it but will probably need a bit more time over the weekend to see..

 That was a half-joke: I certainly can't afford it either :rolleyes:...

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I can't really comment on that specific model, but it still has 29dB gain like all the others I have heard, and you can hear the noise even with 84dB inefficient speakers. Unacceptable IMO. I wouldn't chance it.

 

Sorry to quote something so many pages back. But while looking around for speaker amps to power the HE-6 I found that McIntosh, Krell, Nad, and Bryston all have 29dB gain as well. I am not all that knowledgable in the field of audiophile power amps so I did not know that many names to look through, but it seems that those are fairly well respected companies which use the same gain as Emotiva. Can the gain on Emotivas really be that bad? Do you know of any available speaker amps which use much lower? I found that Rotel uses 26dB but did not find anything less than that.

 

I am always on the lookout for a First Watt amp, but they are hard to find, and most of the prices are pretty painful to consider after seeing a Rawson First Watt Clone go for $450 local sale only. I should have driven to LA and picked it up . . .

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I can't really comment on that specific model, but it still has 29dB gain like all the others I have heard, and you can hear the noise even with 84dB inefficient speakers. Unacceptable IMO. I wouldn't chance it.

Sorry to quote something so many pages back. But while looking around for speaker amps to power the HE-6 I found that McIntosh, Krell, Nad, and Bryston all have 29dB gain as well. I am not all that knowledgable in the field of audiophile power amps so I did not know that many names to look through, but it seems that those are fairly well respected companies which use the same gain as Emotiva. Can the gain on Emotivas really be that bad? Do you know of any available speaker amps which use much lower? I found that Rotel uses 26dB but did not find anything less than that.

I am always on the lookout for a First Watt amp, but they are hard to find, and most of the prices are pretty painful to consider after seeing a Rawson First Watt Clone go for $450 local sale only. I should have driven to LA and picked it up . . .
You can always have brunk build you one. But you won't pay 450, expect to pay more
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Originally Posted by Gneiss View Post
 

 

Sorry to quote something so many pages back. But while looking around for speaker amps to power the HE-6 I found that McIntosh, Krell, Nad, and Bryston all have 29dB gain as well. I am not all that knowledgable in the field of audiophile power amps so I did not know that many names to look through, but it seems that those are fairly well respected companies which use the same gain as Emotiva. Can the gain on Emotivas really be that bad? Do you know of any available speaker amps which use much lower? I found that Rotel uses 26dB but did not find anything less than that.

 

I am always on the lookout for a First Watt amp, but they are hard to find, and most of the prices are pretty painful to consider after seeing a Rawson First Watt Clone go for $450 local sale only. I should have driven to LA and picked it up . . .

It's not just about the gain, its how the amplifier is implemented that matters.  Clean Power Supplies!  Did I mention you need CLEAN power supplies?

 

I have a humble Parasound ZAmp V3.0 with 30 dB of gain that is dead quiet, even with Yamaha HP-1 (94 dB/mW on the speaker tap) or  ATH-M50's (99 dB on front headphone out).

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Originally Posted by potterma View Post
 

It's not just about the gain, its how the amplifier is implemented that matters.  Clean Power Supplies!  Did I mention you need CLEAN power supplies?

 

I have a humble Parasound ZAmp V3.0 with 30 dB of gain that is dead quiet, even with Yamaha HP-1 (94 dB/mW on the speaker tap) or  ATH-M50's (99 dB on front headphone out).

+1 it's not just about the gain. Rather, I was trying to discern why those amps are so noisy from the information we have been given on Emo's website. I just haven't had a positive experience with the X-series, thus my word of caution. Then again, I can be hard to please when I have the potential choice of over 100 amps lol.


Edited by brunk - 1/30/14 at 9:56am
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I have an hpa8 fostex and th900 and the cheapest usb cable to man kind. Music sounds great, matter of fact, better with each hour of burn in. however after much research, counter to what even fostex usa suggested, that its just packets of 1 and 0, doesnt matter. I have gone ahead and orderd from japan oyade continental 5s, will post the test when it arrives next week. Man they spend a lot from jewellery grade silver coating to silk..... I figure after much research that the effort put in does seem to effect the wave shape of the packets, or improvement of transmission characteristics, this effects what we hear, seems to be validated by lots of folks. we shall see. for that matter i will disclose a test of Furman AC-215A Power Conditioner, another contentious debate as to whether quieting the ac signal noise actually effects what we hear. regardless where im at, surge and other protection is needed.
so i shall admit at this point that a will continue to pepper the economy with cash but have stopped short of lightspeed cable price of 1200$ or say quantum resonant qx2 power magnetic filters at 1700$, canada by the way. cheers.
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Originally Posted by Whazzzup View Post

I have an hpa8 fostex and th900 and the cheapest usb cable to man kind. Music sounds great, matter of fact, better with each hour of burn in. however after much research, counter to what even fostex usa suggested, that its just packets of 1 and 0, doesnt matter. I have gone ahead and orderd from japan oyade continental 5s, will post the test when it arrives next week. Man they spend a lot from jewellery grade silver coating to silk..... I figure after much research that the effort put in does seem to effect the wave shape of the packets, or improvement of transmission characteristics, this effects what we hear, seems to be validated by lots of folks. we shall see. for that matter i will disclose a test of Furman AC-215A Power Conditioner, another contentious debate as to whether quieting the ac signal noise actually effects what we hear. regardless where im at, surge and other protection is needed.
so i shall admit at this point that a will continue to pepper the economy with cash but have stopped short of lightspeed cable price of 1200$ or say quantum resonant qx2 power magnetic filters at 1700$, canada by the way. cheers.

In regards to the power conditioner, dont expect a significant gain in sq, in fact you may not even hear the difference at all. However, investing in protection for your audio gear is highly recommended. Voltage spikes and voltage sags can really do some serious damage to electronics. If your home is old and has bad wiring you should definitely invest in power management.

My home had some really bad electrical issues, especially my room. I had lights going off and on randomly, a complete power outage in my room, and other electrical phenomenons. After purchasing the AP10 which is a line conditioner, voltage regulator, and has isolated banks the power issues completely vanished. In terms of sq, the only thing I can say is that the sound is very consistent.    

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A ps 5 is a power regenerator. It's a multiwave as well. It will make a difference you will hear , but cast a few bucks. Ps audio p5. It works but a better DAC will do more. .

Al
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