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post #2266 of 4872
Remember you are better to find an amp that is not a lot of money that others here have that works well with the he 6. And buy a used amp and save .

See what's out there and post see who answers. Good luck.
post #2267 of 4872
I just joined the HE-6 club and currently using factory assembled 47 lab 0147 to drive them. So far, the sound is not thin and no audible sibilance nor distortion at high vol. However, I have no technical knowledge and would be grateful if someone can take a look at the below spec to confirm if power output is sufficient:

http://www.47labs.co.jp/shop/skin/images/0147A_CatalogEng.pdf

If not, I would be looking to use a modest budget of 1500usd next year for an amp upgrade. Any recommendation will be highly appreciated. Although I am leaning on the EF6 as doing speaker taps will be beyond my capability.

On another note, if someone has experience with the Cardas clear cable for cable upgrade to share some impressions...I thought they would be a lot heavier...anyway, I have a hard time to take them off now because they sound so righteous.
post #2268 of 4872
Can someone way in on this amp. To me it does not seem possible to be used to power the he6. .
post #2269 of 4872
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I just joined the HE-6 club and currently using factory assembled 47 lab 0147 to drive them. So far, the sound is not thin and no audible sibilance nor distortion at high vol. However, I have no technical knowledge and would be grateful if someone can take a look at the below spec to confirm if power output is sufficient:

http://www.47labs.co.jp/shop/skin/images/0147A_CatalogEng.pdf

If not, I would be looking to use a modest budget of 1500usd next year for an amp upgrade. Any recommendation will be highly appreciated. Although I am leaning on the EF6 as doing speaker taps will be beyond my capability.

On another note, if someone has experience with the Cardas clear cable for cable upgrade to share some impressions...I thought they would be a lot heavier...anyway, I have a hard time to take them off now because they sound so righteous.

At first blush, I'd say probably not... I have an Asgard II with 1 W RMS into 50 ohms and I consider it under powered...

 

Don't be so quick to brush off a speaker amp... You can get an adapter made for you if you are not comfortable doing it yourself.


Edited by potterma - 12/19/13 at 7:22pm
post #2270 of 4872
Thanks, guys. It looks like I have a pleasant problem to be solved.
post #2271 of 4872
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I just joined the HE-6 club and currently using factory assembled 47 lab 0147 to drive them. So far, the sound is not thin and no audible sibilance nor distortion at high vol. However, I have no technical knowledge and would be grateful if someone can take a look at the below spec to confirm if power output is sufficient:

http://www.47labs.co.jp/shop/skin/images/0147A_CatalogEng.pdf

If not, I would be looking to use a modest budget of 1500usd next year for an amp upgrade. Any recommendation will be highly appreciated. Although I am leaning on the EF6 as doing speaker taps will be beyond my capability.

On another note, if someone has experience with the Cardas clear cable for cable upgrade to share some impressions...I thought they would be a lot heavier...anyway, I have a hard time to take them off now because they sound so righteous.

While we need more information, like V p-p and reference load at that "100mW or more", I am going to make a wild guess just by looking at some of the components that I don't think that amp is pushing more than 4w into the HE-6. I may very well be incorrect though.

post #2272 of 4872
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Originally Posted by fishski13 View Post
 

 

what's the gain setting of your B22?  anything less than 8x with a source that outputs 2Vrms and you will not get the full V-swing or power that the B22 is capable of.

 

the guy who previously owned the amp, had the gain set at 5x by rockhopper. I wish I knew how to set it higher. much higher since this is my planar amp exclusively. I know this thing is capable of much more.

post #2273 of 4872
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Wa what did I say wrong ??
You have experienced what many have. Speaker amps and quality speaker amps do much better on the 6s. We are heretics to the headphone world.

Prepro used the B22 x8 or 10 gain and it still didn't do the 6s justice.

As for the Lyr, only the marketing tripe said it handled the 6s. From every person that experimented with amps, the Lyr was underwhelming. It's probably a better match for the 500s and the mid level dynamic headphones like the K/Q 7xx, the ATH, etc.
post #2274 of 4872
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post


You have experienced what many have. Speaker amps and quality speaker amps do much better on the 6s. We are heretics to the headphone world.

Prepro used the B22 x8 or 10 gain and it still didn't do the 6s justice.

As for the Lyr, only the marketing tripe said it handled the 6s. From every person that experimented with amps, the Lyr was underwhelming. It's probably a better match for the 500s and the mid level dynamic headphones like the K/Q 7xx, the ATH, etc.

+1 I agree with speaker amps and the Lyr. The key ingredient that is missing for the HE-6 off headphone amps is current. Most will run into current limiting/clipping well before you reach a loud volume. That's why we hear so many people say this headphone is bright/harsh etc. when it actually turns out to be almost the opposite.

 

As many of us have discovered and know, if you're not able to rattle these babies and tickle your ear drums with exquisite bass, the amp is lacking :L3000:

post #2275 of 4872

Would certainly echo the sentiment in the posts above.

 

You do wonder about the conditions under which people have auditioned the HE-6, for example I've even recently seen the HE-6 described as "bass light" here in the high-end forum, which is a statement I can scarcely fathom.

 

I do note that some here are quick to criticise meet conditions for auditioning headphones they like when people say they didn't like that headphone, which is an entirely fair comment, but then some of the same people will also criticise headphones they dislike but have only heard at meets.... hmmmm.

post #2276 of 4872

all of us post our views and we all feel we are correct in them. so we all need to take a step back and look at the big picture.  the HE6 is a major pain to use properly  .  almost all other headphones do not have dedications to finding the issues as these do.  as for the amps we now try and post , this is a blessing as I do feel we are where we should be in this now. I am most likely older than most and BACK IN THE DAY and not just 10 years back. there were no headphones and just speakers , and when I did get headphones they were closed backs and no where near this level of

proficiency. the point is even a fairly dare I say cheap set up trumps what I had. so these are really cool times to be in this. add to it the fact we have open forums like this to post and get reactions it,s just awesome.  my point is we all have our views and most are just fine as the ones who can get through the bull  gets what they need in the end.

 

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post #2277 of 4872
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Originally Posted by erikfreedom View Post
 

 

the guy who previously owned the amp, had the gain set at 5x by rockhopper. I wish I knew how to set it higher. much higher since this is my planar amp exclusively. I know this thing is capable of much more.

 

i see.  assuming RH used 30V power supply rails, getting the full 15Vrms the amp is capable of unbalanced should be enough.  assuming the standard quiescent current setting will yield 240-320mA Class A, current shouldn't be an issue either.  can do much more in Class A/B.  none of this says anything about subjective qualities/synergy though.  

post #2278 of 4872
I agree with the synergy , but the HE 6 does not seem to need synergy as much as just enough power.

I have tried a bunch of speaker amps and they all sound just about the same , and very good I might say.

Woo audio WA5.
Krell kav 400 xi.
Aragon 8008BB.
DENON 5805CI
AUDIO GD M8.
post #2279 of 4872

That's reassuring to know about a consistent sound if properly funded :biggrin:powered.

post #2280 of 4872
For those of you who use the Audeze vegan pads: how did you put them on?

I tried first by removing the inner ring and put the flaps over the cups. The inner cloth is wrinkled and the whole thing is not really rigid.

I decided to put the rings back inside and taped the hifiman mounting rigs outside using the audeze tape.
It's clearly not optimal in terms of physical conduction and as a result the bass is clearly not as tight as with the original pleather and the overall sound has some bloom to it.

Air is less present but I like the tonality. The treble seem more in focus and detailed compared to the pleather.

I assume the pads play a big role in the Audeze house sound considering what they do to the HE-6.

The comfort is awesome!
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