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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

With what amp Aldo?

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To comment on some of the posts a week ago, the HE6 on a Placette Active + First Watt J2 has comparable detail retrieval to the BHSE + 009.  I own all of these except the 009, which I've borrowed and used from a friend on several occasions.  HE6 pulls ahead in some instances, 009 on others.

 

The only headphone I've heard which scales as drastically as the HE6 is the 007.  I am reserving judgment on the HD800 until I get an EC Leviathan.  Out of curiosity, I'm looking for an LCD3 to compare the HE6 vs. LCD3 with quality speaker amping.  I'd love to hear the HE6 on a LAu.

 

I haven't spent enough time with my HD800 to make a fair comparison between HE6 and HD800 detail retrieval, but I would not be surprised if the HE6 is superior with the right setup.  The HD800 gets to great detail retrieval much easier than the HE6, but the HE6 is pretty astounding with the right setup.

 

I'm not defending a headphone that's fairly unrealistic for most people in terms of amping, but even now, I don't think most people hear the HE6 beyond a fraction of its potential.

post #1473 of 3230
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I'm not defending a headphone that's fairly unrealistic for most people in terms of amping, but even now, I don't think most people hear the HE6 beyond a fraction of its potential.

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That is quite obvious from reading all the posts on different variation of this thread. A a lot of people having knocked the HE-6 down initially, now cannot come to the realization that they were wrong. The HE-6 gets no respect because people think (thought) that any uber amp should bring out the best in HE-6, or that a 1 watter can drive it to its potential, unfortunately that is not true. Just like reference speakers you got to mate it with the right amp. Think of the pairing of Apogee and Krell or Threshold and Infinity IRS or Sanders amps with ESLs. Not withstanding the reputation of ML, you just could not substitute their brighter sounding amps in the above systems.

P.S. And the mention of ML in my post is not a dig at Aldo. Just read the posts above after posting.
Edited by gurus - 7/16/13 at 9:12pm
post #1474 of 3230
I ran my stats on three different amps before I finally got one that could drive them and sounded half way decent. Even then, they could be driven better. I tried NAD (50w), Carver (100w), Rotel monoblocks (125w) and finally B&K (280 w). The HE-6 are of similar challenge though not near the wattage needed.
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Originally Posted by Elysian View Post

To comment on some of the posts a week ago, the HE6 on a Placette Active + First Watt J2 has comparable detail retrieval to the BHSE + 009.  I own all of these except the 009, which I've borrowed and used from a friend on several occasions.  HE6 pulls ahead in some instances, 009 on others.

The only headphone I've heard which scales as drastically as the HE6 is the 007.  I am reserving judgment on the HD800 until I get an EC Leviathan.  Out of curiosity, I'm looking for an LCD3 to compare the HE6 vs. LCD3 with quality speaker amping.  I'd love to hear the HE6 on a LAu.

I haven't spent enough time with my HD800 to make a fair comparison between HE6 and HD800 detail retrieval, but I would not be surprised if the HE6 is superior with the right setup.  The HD800 gets to great detail retrieval much easier than the HE6, but the HE6 is pretty astounding with the right setup.

I'm not defending a headphone that's fairly unrealistic for most people in terms of amping, but even now, I don't think most people hear the HE6 beyond a fraction of its potential.

Thanks very much - exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. May I ask the kind of music you listen to? I listen primarily to modern rock/pop and somewhat concerned about the seemingly prevailing opinion that Stax/009/007 are best for classical/jazz/acoustic. If a HE6 plus quality speaker amp is let's say 90% of a BHSE/009/007 and the former is MUCH better for rock, then I'm more inclined to go with HE6 (not to mention the possibility of using the speaker amp with something like Jecklin Float or TakeT).
post #1476 of 3230

i have said in the past: i tried the 009 with the stax tube amp(top of the line) and i tried the he-6 with my beta.

without looking for monoblocks or integrated amplifiers, etc.etc.etc.in my opinion(but i´m ignorant) the he-6 is not so far away from the 009.

in Money that for most of people is the important part is 3.500 dollars vs. 10.000 dollars

who can, spend the Money; who can not, think

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Originally Posted by gurus View Post

Just like reference speakers you got to mate it with the right amp. Think of the pairing of Apogee and Krell or Threshold and Infinity IRS or Sanders amps with ESLs. Not withstanding the reputation of ML, you just could not substitute their brighter sounding amps in the above systems.

P.S. And the mention of ML in my post is not a dig at Aldo. Just read the posts above after posting.


This is an excellent analogy. The HE6s are like having a pair of Mini Maggies on your head, with a decent subwoofer included :) It's pretty unthinkable taking a one size fits all approach towards speaker.  A First Watt amp won't adequately power every speaker out there, just like how a Magnepan will work better with some amps than others.

 

It's also a testament to why something as humble as a tripath amp (such as a Trends 10.2SE) sounds pretty darn phenomenal with the HE6.  I still maintain that there is no better deal in Summit-fi than a used HE-6 with a Trends 10.2SE.  It gets you beyond $3-4k rigs I've heard for only $1.2k.  There are other ways to get there than expensive headphone amps, vintage receivers, or 100wpc amps some folks are using.

 

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Thanks very much - exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. May I ask the kind of music you listen to? I listen primarily to modern rock/pop and somewhat concerned about the seemingly prevailing opinion that Stax/009/007 are best for classical/jazz/acoustic. If a HE6 plus quality speaker amp is let's say 90% of a BHSE/009/007 and the former is MUCH better for rock, then I'm more inclined to go with HE6 (not to mention the possibility of using the speaker amp with something like Jecklin Float or TakeT).

 

Lately I mostly listen to electro, kpop, dubstep, and progressive rock.  When I'm doing reference listening, I fall back to classical, jazz, and an assortment of well-produced albums from a mix of genres, as I'm not interested in headphones that only do one thing well.

 

Not sure where the option that Stax are only good for classical/jazz/acoustic came from, but that's dead wrong.  My 007s slam harder than most ortho rigs I've heard.  That said, I also have a fairly unorthodox setup (with a 300B balanced preamp behind the BHSE), and I've tuned my setup to sound as analog as possible.

 

A properly driven HE6 will be comparable to top-end stats in detail and resolution.  Nearly everyone I've met, in person, from the HF community in person has not heard a properly driven HE6.  This include folks with fantastic Stax rigs.  Getting to HE6 nirvana is a journey.

 

I prefer orthos for fun listening and the Stax for late night, no fatigue listening (long-time owners of 007s will definitely get the no fatigue reference).  No fatigue doesn't necessarily mean bass or impact light, though.  I get physically tired of listening to dynamics after awhile, but don't have those issues with electrostats.  Fwiw, I also tend not to listen at high volumes.

 

Candidly, I reach for my First Watt J2+HE6 more often than I do the BHSE+007.  The stats are great, but my ortho setup is all solid state, I like that speaker-like signature, and I'm too lazy to turn on the Realiser.

 

Your decision is kind of like steak vs. seafood.  I would make your decision on whether you like the ortho or stat sound more.  Most people who have the resources and have been in the hobby long enough usually end up with both: an Audeze and/or Hifiman headphone, and a Stax.  There are a lot of folks here who correlate price with quality.  I'd recommend trusting your ears, listen to a lot of stuff at meets (and your tastes will change over time), and turn that volume knob down! smily_headphones1.gif

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I would chime in here in agreement with MacdeonianHero. As good as the HE-6s are, and ive heard them sound very good, powered by the first watt f1J, with either a master 7 or a Anedio D2. And yes it sounds amazing. But even driven off the less then uh...optimal...RSA A-10, i think the Sr-009s just destroy the HE-6s, at pretty much everything and for every genre. I spend most my time listening to metal, and this is what i used to compare the two, though I used other genres as well, just not as much.

 

It's not that the HE-6s wont scale past 200 dollar amps, its that they wont ever reach the heights of the 009s, even on the best amp imaginable.

 

Though, I still don't know why anyone hasn't gone and tried a Atma-Sphere S-30 or M-60 with the HE-6s, I think that would just about be the pinnacle, though I've been saying that for a while, no on has tried it yet *wink wink nudge nudge* Preproman!

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What are you pushing the '009's with?

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What are you pushing the '009's with?
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I was using them at a meet on a RSA A-10, when I finally get my own pair from Price Japan ill be using a KGSSHV to drive them.

If you were asking me of course -_-
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I really can't afford the Kit & The Kaboodle. Temptation has me wanting the cans w/WEE to leash up my vintage irons.


Edited by Silent One - 7/17/13 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

I would chime in here in agreement with MacdeonianHero. As good as the HE-6s are, and ive heard them sound very good, powered by the first watt f1J, with either a master 7 or a Anedio D2. And yes it sounds amazing. But even driven off the less then uh...optimal...RSA A-10, i think the Sr-009s just destroy the HE-6s, at pretty much everything and for every genre. I spend most my time listening to metal, and this is what i used to compare the two, though I used other genres as well, just not as much.

 

It's not that the HE-6s wont scale past 200 dollar amps, its that they wont ever reach the heights of the 009s, even on the best amp imaginable.

 

Though, I still don't know why anyone hasn't gone and tried a Atma-Sphere S-30 or M-60 with the HE-6s, I think that would just about be the pinnacle, though I've been saying that for a while, no on has tried it yet *wink wink nudge nudge* Preproman!

 

Ha..  Man I don't even know what those amps are.  Hit me with the links...biggrin.gif

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Ha..  Man I don't even know what those amps are.  Hit me with the links...biggrin.gif

 

lol ive mentioned them to you in the past tongue.gif http://www.atma-sphere.com/Products/#S-30

 

OTL tube speaker amplifiers for the win!

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Atma-Sphere amps are bloody awesome current production circlotron tube amps.  Drool worthy.

 

http://www.atma-sphere.com/Products/#S-30

 

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Great amp to keep you warm during the frigid Canadian climes.
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