Amps that can drive the HiFiMan HE-6 planar headphones
Jul 7, 2013 at 3:46 PM Post #1,441 of 6,061
8W into 50 seems a bit much to me.  

A $200 NAD amp gets you 95% there  Ha...  I got the F1J, F3, J2, that 8K SimAudio and other higher quality speaker amps saying different.  

I have a $200 speaker amp right here (may not be as good as the NAD).  While it's ok and a good starter amp for the HE-6.  There's much better out there.  This $200 amp I have does not get you no where near 95% of the capability the HE-6 is capable of.


I have to agree about the HE-6 being revealing of other components. A better dac matters a good deal. I have changed out cables and the differences are not hard to hear. I have three pretty good amps that have some differences in presentation and the HE-6s reveal those in much the same way the speakers do. I tried the first watt m2 and while it was nice, it was not in any way as good as my other much more expensive amps. The weakness (to me) that I heard on the m2 was as apparent on the headphones as on my speakers. I think there is a lack of attack on the notes. What I am saying is that you cannot get any old amp that will drive a speaker and get he same sound. It might be all right, but not what it could be. And if you have a pair of HE-6, just spend the 100 for the adapter and head to an audio store. You can hear different sources and amps. It is a 100 dollars, but it is a lot less hassle than sending stuff back and forth or listening for a few minutes at a meet.
 
Jul 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM Post #1,442 of 6,061
ok ..reporting back...
the macbook > audiogd dac > darkvoice336se > cambridge340A > He6  chain DOESNT work. 
the can was rattling badly from the first sec...zzz.. the 336se choked the power i guess somehow.
 
Without the 336se, there is ample power on the CAMBRIDGE 340A...
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my listening level was reached easily at 9 o clock...
for orchestra, 10 o clock was a treat.
 
Dudamel was in his elements... cattledrums...big gongs..
the attack n excitement quite a treat on this cheap amp.
 
 

 

 
Jul 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM Post #1,443 of 6,061
Viktor, I agree with you 100% on this.  Those First Watt amps just does something special to the HE-6.  

For Peter to say [COLOR=0000FF]"I have never found a dynamic or ortho headphone as revealing of upstream gear as the HD800s. They are the toughest nut to crack so to speak"[/COLOR] :blink:   Is loco :wink_face:

The HE-6 has to be the toughest headphone to get right and is very revealing and scales to upstream gear like no other.  This is after hearing these on a boat load of different amps.  

The HD800s are pretty hard to get right.  But where the GS-X mk2 does a damn good job with the HD800s I would say not so much with the HE-6.  So that's the same amp and the HE-6s are not really right on it when compared to other amps.  Man that $8K SimAudio amp put the HE-6 in a space I never heard them before.[/B]



Agreed 100 percent!!!!
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 12:31 AM Post #1,445 of 6,061
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that's a bummer.  hard to say what could have happened.  a properly functioning B22 shouldn't crap out into the HE6 load.  you probably already know this, but the volume pot should always be turned all the way down before removing or inserting the TRS plug.  the high current bias output stage doesn't like to be shorted.   

I have been to your website swa audio and I have checked the pictures of the amps you have built and I have to say your balanced b22 is the most beautiful amp I have ever seen and the innards are the cleanest and most impressive too. very elegant and well made. light years  ahead of my rockhopper audio b22.   I hope that one day your are going to build dynahi amplifiers. the dynahi is the amp I want the most.  I would buy one right now.
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 7:16 AM Post #1,446 of 6,061
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I have been to your website swa audio and I have checked the pictures of the amps you have built and I have to say your balanced b22 is the most beautiful amp I have ever seen and the innards are the cleanest and most impressive too. very elegant and well made. light years  ahead of my rockhopper audio b22.   I hope that one day your are going to build dynahi amplifiers. the dynahi is the amp I want the most.  I would buy one right now.

 
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Jul 8, 2013 at 7:19 AM Post #1,447 of 6,061
The HD800's do NOT need a $2700 amp to 'hit their stride'
 
I know because my amp costs far less than that and the HD800's are sensational on it, and thats listening to rock & metal!! which is not supposed to be their forte.
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM Post #1,448 of 6,061
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The HD800's do NOT need a $2700 amp to 'hit their stride'
 
I know because my amp costs far less than that and the HD800's are sensational on it, and thats listening to rock & metal!! which is not supposed to be their forte.

 
To be fair, under a different nameplate and country of original your M6 is quite a bit more than $2700.
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM Post #1,449 of 6,061
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To be fair, under a different nameplate and country of original your M6 is quite a bit more than $2700.

 
Absolutely agree... but it still does not cost $2700.
 
The option is out there to buy a $1500 amp thats worth ~$2700 that is stunning with the HD800's.
 
Like I said you don't have to pay anywhere near $2700 
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Jul 8, 2013 at 8:02 AM Post #1,450 of 6,061
Agreed and likewise paying $2700+ doesn't guarantee anything.  Lots of great choices in around $1000 and tons of terrible choices north of $3000.
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 8:08 AM Post #1,452 of 6,061
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Agreed and likewise paying $2700+ doesn't guarantee anything.  Lots of great choices in around $1000 and tons of terrible choices north of $3000.

 
+1
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 8:09 AM Post #1,453 of 6,061
Same reason there aren't a lot of M7s, NA bias against Chinese engineering.  Shipping cost doesn't help either.  My understanding is Audio-GD has more penetration in Australia.
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 8:25 AM Post #1,454 of 6,061
Okay, now I have measured my two amps driving HE-6: Burson Soloist compared to Audio-gd Master-6.
 
The Master-6 delivers 7 Watts while the Soloist is only about 1.4 W (in 50 Ohms). As far as I remember Burson spec'd the Soloist to 4 Watts in 16 Ohms, but has now changed it into 8 Ohms, which means it is rated half the original stated power. EDIT: However, as Solude points out below, InnerFidelity has measured it to 2.2W in 32 Ohms, which translates into 1.4 W in 50 Ohms.
 
I measured both the Soloist and Master-6 at 50Hz, 500Hz and 10kHz to see how the balance was between the two amps and at two different SPL's: one at about 70dB and one at 101dB. Sine waves was sent through my SB Touch via S/PDIF to Audio-gd Ref 7.1 and then RCA to Soloist and XLR to Master-6. HE-6 was driven balanced via Master-6 and SE via Soloist.
 
I found two surprising things here:
 
1) There is no difference between the two amps in terms of balance at 70dB and at 101dB. Well, this was no surprise to me, since I have heard this, but to others I expect. This means that in terms of bass and treble amount compared to the mids, it is exactly the same with either amp at moderate as well as very high constant levels. Actually the Soloist has 0.1-0.2 dBs relatively more bass than the Master-6 at both levels.
 
2) At 70dB there is relatively more treble than at 101dB, and that by a considerable number. This goes for both amplifiers (exactly the same difference). This suggests that at higher levels (101dB) you have about 5-6dB less treble (at 10kHz) compared to the mids (500Hz).
- Disclaimer: This relative decrease in treble could be caused by resonances or something, but I didn't hear anything.
 
If these measurements are true, it suggests that if you listen at safe or low levels, the HE-6 will sound brighter than if you turn up the level significantly. This of course is in addition to the loudness curve. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour)
 
 
The following quote is from the Headfonia review and made me interested enough to buy the Soloist:
(However, I didn't think of it as my primary amp for HE-6, but for my LCD-2.)
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The Soloist definitely had what it take to drive the HE-6. Not only does the amplifier’s rated 4 Watts output sufficient for the HE-6, it also had a better synergy than my $3,500 RSA Dark Star amplifier. You all know how I am always for full bass and midrange body, and the Soloist comes with that sort of coloration. Driving the HE-6, it colors the HE-6 to be more Sennheiser HD650-like, boosting the low end body of the HE-6 to very musical levels. On the other hand the Dark Star gives a more spacious soundstage, but it doesn’t add body to the bass and mids the way the Soloist did.

 
To me, the Soloist is a super amp with HE-6. It doesn't have the headroom or power to drive it to very loud levels, but I want to keep my hearing and don't turn up the volume to more than about 80-90dB, at which SPL it still sounds awesome. I have chosen to mod my HE-6 with felt (decreases the treble) instead of turning up the volume to unhealthy levels ...
 
Jul 8, 2013 at 8:32 AM Post #1,455 of 6,061
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The Master-6 delivers 7 Watts while the Soloist is only about 640 mW (in 50 Ohms). 

 
How did you measure this?  Tyll got 2.2W into 32ohm and 625mW into 150 from the Soloist.  Which should put the 50ohm number closer to 1.5W.
 

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