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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

On a scale of bass quantity (to what I believe are real world ideas of bass quantity): AD700: 1/10 (audible but pretty much no impact) DT880/ 6/10 (great punch, not a large amount of slam, but well defined and balanced bass) DT990 8/10 (hits harder than the DT880, but it just as quick and punchy, with noticeably more slam) 9s and 10s are those found on boomy headphones like the DT770 Pro 80. The DT880 is an upgrade from the AD700 in practically every way except soundstage... And like Elanzer mentioned, the 'recession' of the mids on the DT990 is grossly exaggerated. It sounds pretty much damn near the same as the DT880s, just that the bass and treble is MORE prominent. It's not like the frigging mids are gone or distant, just not as pronounced. There's bound to be SOMETHING less audible when bass and treble are enhanced. WTF.

 

If there's something that irritates me on head-fi, it's mid-whores that want the rest to be intense. If you want mids, bass or treble (one or the other) has to be in line. A bass heavy headphone with MIDS is gonna be rolled off in the treble. A treble heavy phone with MIDS is gonna be weak in bass. You can't have a headphone that does all three with intensity. One of the extremities is gonna be compromised. You either get a very balanced headphone and suffer not having the bass or treble emphasis you want, or get a bass and treble oriented headphone that will soften the mids a little. PICK YOUR POISON instead of complaining that a particular headphone is missing something. Do your homework.

 

Hell, the D7000 I just got is bloody fantastic. It's definitely bass centric, though not overly done so the mids don't take much of a hit, but take a slight hit nevertheless.


The dt880 still has a good soundstage, and better imaging though right?  

post #32 of 46

Soundstage: (put some others up as a comparison)

 

Stereo mode

 

AD700: 9.5/10

DT880: 8/10 (still nice and big, and more natural)

DT990: 8.5/10

K701/2: 11/10 (lol)

 

Dolby Headphone (virtual surround)

 

AD700: 10 (much more depth and width than

DT880: 7 (there is a severe lack of depth to my ears)

DT990: 8 (not much better than the 880s, but there is more depth)

K701/2: 9.5 (ironically it felt smaller than the AD700 in virtual suround, but the positioning was nearly as good)

 

As far as imaging, I'd say that I wasn't as impressed with the DT880 as the AD700, but back then I can't remember how good it was exactly.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/25/10 at 7:08am
post #33 of 46
Thread Starter 

I'm glad you brought EQ'ing up, as I kept wanting to ask but kept forgetting about it!  Many people say the 990 is the 880 with the bass and treble EQ'd down; so in essence, you could EQ the ends of the 990 to an 880, correct?  In other words, I can fine tune the 990(pretty much just EQ the bass and treble slightly down to bring out the mids more) without losing any "quality"?

 

 

Thank you very much guys, I really do appreciate it!

post #34 of 46

That's debateable, as EQ-ing is adding distortion which will never be as pure as just leaving the headphone as is, but whether the 'distortion' bothers you (even if you probably won't even notice), is strictly up to you. I personally find absolutely no problem with EQ-ing as long as it's subtle. I just don't generally do it because I plug my headphones in to different sources, some which don't have EQ options, so I tend to leave mine un-EQ'd to keep the sound I'm used to the most, even if I'd like to add or take away here or there.

post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by K2e2vin View Post

The mids "issue" has been cleared up.

 

The highs are not a concern.  From what "homework" I've done, comparing the 880 and 990, the 880s seemed to have both bass and treble brought down compared to the 990s.  What I'm looking for is something with the that's  in between the two but under $300.  Only other options brought up were the HD600 and 650; 650 being out of my range.  I'm still doing more research on HD600s.  I do not want

 

As stated before; I'm comparing what I'm looking for with full audio systems from a home setup or car setup; which usually consist of multiple/component speakers.  It seems like 880s, with just a little more low-end(I don't really mind sacrificing treble but I do not like heavy bass or treble drowning everything out), would fit exactly what I'm looking for.  I'm definitely not complaining, but asking how to go about achieving this.

Mids on 990 are supposedly recessed and the mids on the 880 are dry.

 

"It seems like 880s, with just a little more low-end(I don't really mind sacrificing treble but I do not like heavy bass or treble drowning everything out), would fit exactly what I'm looking for.  I'm definitely not complaining, but asking how to go about achieving this."

 

That sounds like the HD600 and not the 990. Mids are everything. Mids are like 70-80% of the music and the v-shaped sound signatures like the 990 drown them out a bit.

 

Just a little info, don't dismiss the HD600 just because the DT990 might offer a little more detail.

Get the headphone with the sound signature you like. In fact the 990 is possibly more detailed just because it has more treble.

I feel that treble makes music easier to "see" (analytical) and that bass/mids make it easier to feel music (musical/natural).


On a side note you can get the HD650 used under $300 but I think the HD650 isn't necessarily the best choice for you as it has even more bass and mids than the 600 and even slightly less treble (darker)
 

 

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Originally Posted by K2e2vin View Post

I'm glad you brought EQ'ing up, as I kept wanting to ask but kept forgetting about it!  Many people say the 990 is the 880 with the bass and treble EQ'd down; so in essence, you could EQ the ends of the 990 to an 880, correct?  In other words, I can fine tune the 990(pretty much just EQ the bass and treble slightly down to bring out the mids more) without losing any "quality"?

 

 

Thank you very much guys, I really do appreciate it!

I'm a big believer in using EQ.

I believe that if you really want to change the sound a bit just EQ rather than buying a $500 tube amp to color the sound which is essentially EQ'ing which is also why the E9 is my final amp. Although physical EQ is more natural than software EQ however.

 

You could EQ the 880; and that may be your solution to the low end. Just don't expect huge changes especially with only software EQ.

It's always best to start with the headphone that has the sound you prefer then adjust (EQ) accordingly.

For example EQ'ing a Grado to sound like a Sennheiser would could sound not so great I can imagine.

 

You can probably easily EQ the 880 to sound like the 990 but the bass on the 990 but it won't be the exact same; the 990 will probably have more natural bass than just an eq'd 880.

 

But then if you only EQ the bass you may drown out the mids. Then you might have to EQ the mids...

You end up getting the Sennheiser sound in which case you might have rather got the HD600..
 

It might be better to get the HD600 and EQ the treble if it doesn't have enough treble for you.


Edited by bisayaboi - 12/25/10 at 10:05am
post #36 of 46
Thread Starter 

Thanks everybody for your help; I ended up ordering the DT990/600s. 

 

From the reviews, the HD600 seemed pretty good but it seemed like the only thing it did better was the mids.  Though, the HD600 is more available than the Beyerdynamics, locally, so hopefully I get to try those out for myself pretty soon.  If I like the HD600 better, I will definitely trade them or sell the Beyers and buy the Senns.  So, even though I've purchased the DTs I'm still considering the HD600s.Th

 

Thanks again everybody!


Edited by K2e2vin - 12/26/10 at 6:31am
post #37 of 46

Is this directed at me? If so I don't support EQ'ing at all, I was just using it as an example to show that the DT990 has as much  midrange as the DT880. 
 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

What is wrong with EQ-ing the DT990's to take away the bass and treble emphasis? I find that taking off a couple of decibel levels on Winamp (I'm lazy) from the extreme end frequencies will soften it up considerably (not that I do). Probably easier to take away in EQ than to add. I love how anti-EQ people are, yet they color the crap out of their source with warm amps and emphasized headphones. EQ-ing isn't a sin. Just be subtle about it instead of trying to alter the sound completely.

post #38 of 46
Wowowowowowo another crazy DT990/600 owner :)
post #39 of 46

OP,

 

Beyer makes awesome phones.

Before you obsess about this, keep these things in mind:

1.  The difference between the 770/880/990 is small. 

They are, after all, made by the same company, using the same physical design shape.

2.  If you are thinking of switching within these models, make sure you like one of the models at least 80%. 

Because switching won't get you to some revelatory new headphone.  You have to look outside of Beyer for that. 

3.  If you haven't done so already, consult the headroom graphs and do an overlay comparison of the frequency responses. 

 

I did a 770 vs 880 A/B comparison by ear, and the graphs ended confirming my conclusions. 

So at least the 770 vs. 880 (32 ohm) graphs are likely accurate.

post #40 of 46
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Originally Posted by sugarkang View Post

OP,

 

Beyer makes awesome phones.

Before you obsess about this, keep these things in mind:

1.  The difference between the 770/880/990 is small. 

They are, after all, made by the same company, using the same physical design shape.

2.  If you are thinking of switching within these models, make sure you like one of the models at least 80%. 

Because switching won't get you to some revelatory new headphone.  You have to look outside of Beyer for that. 

3.  If you haven't done so already, consult the headroom graphs and do an overlay comparison of the frequency responses. 

 

I did a 770 vs 880 A/B comparison by ear, and the graphs ended confirming my conclusions. 

So at least the 770 vs. 880 (32 ohm) graphs are likely accurate.

 

Also, don't hate on the 770s. 

They have the most bass, I think, of the three. 

If I only could choose one headphone, I would trade in my 880 and get the 770.

post #41 of 46
Thread Starter 

So, looks like I may be sending these back.  I definitely like the sound, but the fit/comfort got to me(it's rather pretty large on me, and I'm not really digging the pad as it seems to put pressure on a small area).  Do the HD600s have a softer/smaller cushion?

post #42 of 46

I think I'll have to get replacement drivers for my DT990 since their bass has vanished. I was listening to my WA3+ amp and the power went out in my house. When the power came back on I found their bass was gone!! I think both drivers blew as the treble sounds shrill/thin now as well and the sound became somewhat distant...... dang figures it would happen now of all times!!

post #43 of 46

seem strange. did you take the plug out or you left it there until the electricity... came back?
 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I think I'll have to get replacement drivers for my DT990 since their bass has vanished. I was listening to my WA3+ amp and the power went out in my house. When the power came back on I found their bass was gone!! I think both drivers blew as the treble sounds shrill/thin now as well and the sound became somewhat distant...... dang figures it would happen now of all times!!

post #44 of 46

I took the plug out as soon as the power went out. I am guessing there was a surge and it killed the drivers? That can't be...

post #45 of 46
Thread Starter 

This is with the same amp or did you try other sources?

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