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post #16 of 46

Everyone greatly exaggerates the recessed mids on the DT990. The T1 are described as having great neutral mids and the DT990 recessed to hell, but the difference doesn't seem that big to me.

 

The only real problem I had with the DT990 was that they were a bit bright, and that can be smoothed over with proper equipment synergy (using a warm dac, tube amp).

post #17 of 46
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Originally Posted by mibutenma View Post

The DT 880 is just something really special in its treble push they really did it just right I really can't describe it you would have to hear it.

And then got it ohh you did all wrong like Audio Technica,Sony etc...

 

 

 


I know what you mean. I think it's because the treble is boosted over a greater range and more smoothly than a lot of other headphones. The DT880 doesn't have a treble spike as much as a treble bump. It's coherent and smooth across the range, instead of a sharp peak rising from a valley like a lot of other headphones. This has its advantages and disadvantages, one of which being that it makes it really hard for me to enjoy headphones with a traditional treble spike now. frown.gif

 

I'm not sure if you were remarking in regards to what I said or to the thread in general, but I would agree that the DT880 treble is anything but harsh. But I do think it's bright, and it's revealing enough to point out poor/overly hot mastering, which can take on an aggressive quality if it's bad. Sort of a worst of both kind of scenario. Hand the DT880 well recorded, well balanced material, and it hands you back gold. Give it crap and it certainly doesn't to it any favors. I still really enjoy mine regardless.

post #18 of 46
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
. It's coherent and smooth across the range, instead of a sharp peak rising from a valley like a lot of other headphones. This has its advantages and disadvantages, one of which being that it makes it really hard for me to enjoy headphones with a traditional treble spike now. frown.gif

 

A sharp peak rising from the valley that's a good way to describe other headphones treble pushes versus the Beyer.

Anytime I run into something a bit overcooked treble wise with the DT 880 I just throw on my Ultrasone Pro 2500 and I'm usually happy or good.

But the stuff I really enjoy with the DT 880 I find just too dark/boring with the Ultrasone at times although a lot of stuff also sounds good with its flat treble.

The Beyer treble push is just something I can't quite explain it its not a traditional treble push like if you switch up the treble on a stereo knob. That's why I call its own special flavor you just have to hear it.

 


 


Edited by mibutenma - 12/24/10 at 2:22am
post #19 of 46
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As long as it's not sibilant I don't mind.  The only thing that concerned me was just everyone saying "lack of mids" and also regarding string instruments(I've heard 880/600s are better for this, and vice verse).  Movies aren't a huge concern as I barely use headphones for that.

post #20 of 46

They sound like they have shallow mids but it you were to EQ down the treble and bass you would see they have the same mids as the DT880. The treble and bass drown out the mids on this headphone, so that's why I use them on a tube amp.

 

Also the V6 is very very bad IMO. The sound presentation is like a tweeter in your ear with very little bass and the mids nearly gone. I found that if you press the headphones closer to your ears the mids make an appearance, but the treble is still there. I really dislike the headphone. The treble is edgy and lacks refinement and it plain strident. 

 

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Wouldn't the V shape drown out the mids?

 

post #21 of 46
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Originally Posted by K2e2vin View Post

As long as it's not sibilant I don't mind.  The only thing that concerned me was just everyone saying "lack of mids" and also regarding string instruments(I've heard 880/600s are better for this, and vice verse).  Movies aren't a huge concern as I barely use headphones for that.


Unfortunately, at least for me, sibilance crops up quite a bit. I can only imagine it's the same (or worse) on a DT990. I'm sure playing around with different sources can help, and it's recording-dependent whether or not you get sibilance.

post #22 of 46

I found that sibilance is very pronounced on low quality gear and also on poor recordings. All the beyers in the DT770-990 suffer from sibilance to a degree. I found that properly amping them helps reduce it, but they will always have some to a degree. The DT990 has quite a bit of it on really poorly mastered and produced material, but on good stuff it's cur back but not eliminated.

 

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Unfortunately, at least for me, sibilance crops up quite a bit. I can only imagine it's the same (or worse) on a DT990. I'm sure playing around with different sources can help, and it's recording-dependent whether or not you get sibilance.

post #23 of 46
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I found that sibilance is very pronounced on low quality gear and also on poor recordings. All the beyers in the DT770-990 suffer from sibilance to a degree. I found that properly amping them helps reduce it, but they will always have some to a degree. The DT990 has quite a bit of it on really poorly mastered and produced material, but on good stuff it's cur back but not eliminated.

 

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Unfortunately, at least for me, sibilance crops up quite a bit. I can only imagine it's the same (or worse) on a DT990. I'm sure playing around with different sources can help, and it's recording-dependent whether or not you get sibilance.


 


Zombie X you've both the HD600 and DT990 the OP wants to know how they compare:

 

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Originally Posted by K2e2vin View Post

Has anyone done a head to head comparison between the HD600 and the 990/600s?  The HD650s are a little out of my budget(I don't want to keep going higher and higher if you know what I mean)



 

post #24 of 46

This quote is from my beyer comparison thread. Hopefully it will help you out.

 

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HD600 VS DT990

The DT990 is the polar opposite of the HD600 with it's shallower mids, prominent highs, and thumping bass.

 

The treble on the DT990 would be a shock if you were coming from a HD600. The treble could be overwhelming if you are not used to more treble, but the treble is smoother than you would think. Hell it's like the MDR-V6's hard treble. The DT990's treble is far more refined sounding than the HD600. It offers far more detail than the HD600's and also has a lot more air to it. Extension on the DT990's treble is far more than the HD600's and really goes up there.

The HD600 was a very smooth and liquid like treble that is very pleasant to listen to. It's not as detailed sounding as the DT990 but still has a great deal of detail. Also I believe the HD600 treble is more lifelike than that of the DT990

 

The mids on both a very different. While the DT990's mids are sound more resolving and detailed than the HD600's, they are also however a lot thinner sounding. When it comes to these two, I believe the HD600's mids have a more lifelike tone to them, but as stated before they lose some accuracy because they are smoother and more forgiving. The DT990's mids can make vocals sound thin and also make guitars sound that way as well. Not very lifelike at all.

The HD600 midrange is very lush sounding and definitely on the warm side of things. It can be said that it's more natural and lifelike to the DT990's, but I still feel the DT990's mids are more detailed and resolved. 

 

The bass to these sound similar in terms of impact and body. In fact the DT990 has more impact and extends deeper while remaining tight and in control. The HD600's bass can sound a bit flabby if you've listened to both. The DT990's bass does loose some texture from the added bass, but not much. It's still better than the HD600's bass from what I hear. The DT990's bass is also faster sounding. The HD600's bass can sound very slow if not amped right,b ut when amped right it gets tighter and becomes faster, but still can not beat the DT990's bass.

 

The soundstage on these two is also different as the DT990 has the largest soundstage out of the DT line. It's more 3d sounding than the DT880 and HD600 and is pretty airy and has better separation. The HD600's sounds more "in your head" and not as wide. The DT990 beats out the HD600 in every department.

 


Edited by Zombie_X - 12/24/10 at 6:49pm
post #25 of 46

I myself understand that the dt990 is supposed to have a lot of bass.  What I really would like to know is how much bass the dt880 has in comparison to the ad700's?  

 

I'm looking to upgrade my gaming headphones very soon, and I can't for the life of me decide if I should go with the dt880 purely for gaming or the dt990.  My other choice is to get the hd650's which would sound better for my musical tastes, and possibly still be decent for gaming.  I'm just after a little more detail and bass than what the ad700's provide.  I'm not a basshead and I despise sibilant treble so the dt990's kinda scare me away.

post #26 of 46

DT880 has more bass than the AD700. Either the HD600 or HD650 should be up your alley if you want something warm, the HD650 has more bass than the HD600 also. Most people consider the HD600 more balanced.

post #27 of 46
Thread Starter 

Thank you very much for the comparisons Zombie X.

 

I was looking at some mods/difference; mainly http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/250313/simple-dt990-mod and http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/351227/how-to-convert-dt-880-into-dt-990-and-vice-versa-dt-770-info and noticed the in one they show an extra piece of felt in front of the 880 driver.  Has anyone tried doing this to their 990 to see how it effects the highs?

 

I'm pretty much avoiding the HD650 since it's above my price cap.

post #28 of 46

On a scale of bass quantity (to what I believe are real world ideas of bass quantity): AD700: 1/10 (audible but pretty much no impact) DT880/ 6/10 (great punch, not a large amount of slam, but well defined and balanced bass) DT990 8/10 (hits harder than the DT880, but it just as quick and punchy, with noticeably more slam) 9s and 10s are those found on boomy headphones like the DT770 Pro 80. The DT880 is an upgrade from the AD700 in practically every way except soundstage... And like Elanzer mentioned, the 'recession' of the mids on the DT990 is grossly exaggerated. It sounds pretty much damn near the same as the DT880s, just that the bass and treble is MORE prominent. It's not like the frigging mids are gone or distant, just not as pronounced. There's bound to be SOMETHING less audible when bass and treble are enhanced. WTF.

 

If there's something that irritates me on head-fi, it's mid-whores that want the rest to be intense. If you want mids, bass or treble (one or the other) has to be in line. A bass heavy headphone with MIDS is gonna be rolled off in the treble. A treble heavy phone with MIDS is gonna be weak in bass. You can't have a headphone that does all three with intensity. One of the extremities is gonna be compromised. You either get a very balanced headphone and suffer not having the bass or treble emphasis you want, or get a bass and treble oriented headphone that will soften the mids a little. PICK YOUR POISON instead of complaining that a particular headphone is missing something. Do your homework.

 

Hell, the D7000 I just got is bloody fantastic. It's definitely bass centric, though not overly done so the mids don't take much of a hit, but take a slight hit nevertheless.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/25/10 at 5:33am
post #29 of 46
Thread Starter 

The mids "issue" has been cleared up.

 

The highs are not a concern.  From what "homework" I've done, comparing the 880 and 990, the 880s seemed to have both bass and treble brought down compared to the 990s.  What I'm looking for is something with the that's  in between the two but under $300.  Only other options brought up were the HD600 and 650; 650 being out of my range.  I'm still doing more research on HD600s.  I do not want

 

As stated before; I'm comparing what I'm looking for with full audio systems from a home setup or car setup; which usually consist of multiple/component speakers.  It seems like 880s, with just a little more low-end(I don't really mind sacrificing treble but I do not like heavy bass or treble drowning everything out), would fit exactly what I'm looking for.  I'm definitely not complaining, but asking how to go about achieving this.


Edited by K2e2vin - 12/25/10 at 6:43am
post #30 of 46

What is wrong with EQ-ing the DT990's to take away the bass and treble emphasis? I find that taking off a couple of decibel levels on Winamp (I'm lazy) from the extreme end frequencies will soften it up considerably (not that I do). Probably easier to take away in EQ than to add. I love how anti-EQ people are, yet they color the crap out of their source with warm amps and emphasized headphones. EQ-ing isn't a sin. Just be subtle about it instead of trying to alter the sound completely.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/25/10 at 6:56am
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