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on a side note- are the Klipsch x10's related to the Etymotics? Seem to be very similar in schools of thought/design. I doubt very much that Klipsch actually developed their own these days, a contracted design possibly? 


Nope, no affiliation at all.  Etymotic uses diffuse field technology to tune.  Klipsch does not by the sounds of it.  Klipsch has a patent on their oval gels and Ety tips just honestly suck IMO.  Other than the straight barrel design nada.  Plus those god awful Klipsch strain reliefs are nothing Ety would touch thankfully. 

post #32 of 66

Thanks for the advice! I actually had trouble getting a good seal at first, so I don't think insertion depth is the problem. I also experimented with it a lot. My usual routine is to overinsert slightly, and then pull them out a little to get the proper depth. Anyway, I don't think that's the problem. If I pull them out any farther, I wouldn't have enough isolation, which I need.

 

I think the sound signature just doesn't line up with my tastes. I like a crisp treble, and not too much bass (for reference, of the headphones I have listened to, I think the M50 has got it right). I bought the Coppers because they were billed as the "neutral" member of the Monster family, but that's all relative I suppose.

post #33 of 66

Try some Meelec M9 or M11 tip kits before you give up on them.  That will open up the top end and bring down the bass a touch.  The Supertips enhance seal, sometimes uncomfortable w/ the gels, and enhance bass response.  They have a narrower aperture which restricts the upper frequencies and adds warmth.  My ideal Copper insertion was over the ear with an insertion depth that was borderline sealed and about to fall out.  It was tricky.  Bi flanges will make it easier as they can act as spacers which is what they do on my MD's.    

post #34 of 66

I actually love the gel SuperTips for the texture and richness they produce, but I suppose all that has to come at the expense of something, in this case my treble. What you're saying makes sense.

 

I'm about to send these in for warranty repair (the strain relief snapped off, which apparently is quite common). At $10, seems like I have nothing to lose with the Meelec tips, so I'll try them first. If I change my mind, I'll keep the Coppers; if I still don't like them, BNIB will be an easy sale.

 

Fit tends to be difficult for me, since my ear canals are much smaller than average. Thanks for your advice, I'll try the tips and let you know how it turns out!

post #35 of 66
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Wow ! Sibilance on a dynamic driver? So coppers are too dry? Oh, SM3's are great by the way, but the UM3x's I have are more comfortable for extended wear for me. I haven't given up on them yet....but disappointed. I was expecting more "wow" over the Westone's narrow soundstage/flat response. Both GR8's and GR10's have aluminum housings. The differences in them is the paint and 'tweaking' of the driver from my understanding. Listening to Radiohead with my Um3x's right now, good God do these hit low! 

 

Anaxilus- have you tried the Klipsch x5? Ck10's sound too 'bass light' for me but I'm hardly a basshead

post #36 of 66
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Any Etymotics that are worth it in a critical but still 'fun' sense? Most sound too dry from my understanding, that and bass light.

post #37 of 66

My GR8 was not aluminum but plastic I'm quite certain.  No way was that black paint, but shiny black plastic.  Forget about the X5 its behind all the ones mentioned here.  So are the Etys (MC5/ER4P/S) but less so than the X5.  This is from my listening of each IEM mentioned.  The Coppers are more dry than the Golds/MDs but only really in the mids.  Its kind of odd actually.  The Copper treble is right on the edge of sibilance.  Its like it doesn't offend you but it keeps teasing like a practical joke waiting for you to see if its going to cross over.  Its like Ashton Kutcher is hiding inside just waiting.  That's how I heard them, YMMV.  

post #38 of 66
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well I hope you're wrong about the housing. I get my pair tomorrow. I've been told the housing is 'identical' versus the GR10 other than color. I'll find out for sure then. Love the Aston Kutcher analogy. You've been punked!

post #39 of 66
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Try some Meelec M9 or M11 tip kits before you give up on them.  That will open up the top end and bring down the bass a touch.  The Supertips enhance seal, sometimes uncomfortable w/ the gels, and enhance bass response.  They have a narrower aperture which restricts the upper frequencies and adds warmth.



Funny how I feel the Foam SuperTips restrict treble... huh. Guess it's back to tip musing.

post #40 of 66
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My GR8 was not aluminum but plastic I'm quite certain.  No way was that black paint

The GR8s aren't black at all... paint or otherwise. They're blue.

 

I don't know if either is aluminum or plastic, but side by side they are indistinguishable to me (even tapping on the housing lightly, they make the same noise) except for the color. They also have the same weight.

post #41 of 66
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Both GR8's and GR10's have aluminum housings. The differences in them is the paint and 'tweaking' of the driver from my understanding.

 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

My GR8 was not aluminum but plastic I'm quite certain.  No way was that black paint, but shiny black plastic.

 

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I don't know if either is aluminum or plastic, but side by side they are indistinguishable to me (even tapping on the housing lightly, they make the same noise) except for the color. They also have the same weight.

 

If you put them into a cold place for a few minutes you'll notice that the grey driver housing gets colder than the colored back part. Therefore it's quite likely that the driver housing is made of metal and the back part is made of plastic.

post #42 of 66
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My GR8 was not aluminum but plastic I'm quite certain.  No way was that black paint

The GR8s aren't black at all... paint or otherwise. They're blue.

 

I don't know if either is aluminum or plastic, but side by side they are indistinguishable to me (even tapping on the housing lightly, they make the same noise) except for the color. They also have the same weight.

 

Ok, I forgot they are a really dark blue that looks black.  It does look black to me sorry.
 

post #43 of 66

Yeah. I just gave a quick glance at the HeadRoom photos and they can look black.

That said, these things must be great, eh (no, there is no pun)? And then it's the GR10. I'm curious as to how Grado fares with a single BA when all those competitors at this price point are triple BA's. Yeah I know that more drivers doesn't equal better sound, but...

post #44 of 66

^ As it stands I've only been listening for a few hours, but I can safely say that I prefer the GR10 to all dual and triple BAs I've heard (including the CK10, CK100, SE530, SM3). IMO they have more to fear from the $250 Ortofon e-Q5 than from any of these.

post #45 of 66
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^ As it stands I've only been listening for a few hours, but I can safely say that I prefer the GR10 to all dual and triple BAs I've heard (including the CK10, CK100, SE530, SM3). IMO they have more to fear from the $250 Ortofon e-Q5 than from any of these.



Whoa. Now this here, is big news.

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