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I searched! Iv'e been searching for weeks :D

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I dont want to be a pain in the arse but you could read or use the search? This goes for everyone though.

 

Of all questions cans for heavy metal is the most common and there is a one every week it seems, at least for the last 6 months orso. There are numerous of threads about it on the first 3 pages of the forum and this thread is also littered with them. 

Do some research and you could at least have gotten a list with the obvious choices. 

/rant mode off.


Do you want to reread the title of this thread, and perhaps back off a little.

(buying-headphones-seeking-guidance-don-t-start-a-new-thread-ask-for-advice-here)

 

 He's a noob - 1st post here - and at least he hasn't started a new thread.  He's done exactly what he's supposed to do.

 

Jackedupmachine - welcome to head-fi.  It would help if you could also state your budget, whether you prefer open or closed, and your digital source (also whether you have an amp).  Are you looking for portable or are these just for home.

 

I'm not a metal head so I can't really help you.  But if you give a few more details, someone else will be along who can help.

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Originally Posted by VagueDustin View Post

Hello audiophiles, I need advice.

I'm a budding audiophile with not much money to start.

My current pair of headphones are the Sony MDR-V6.

I only use headphones for everything, gaming, music, portable. I don't even have speakers. 

 

Okay, so I really like the V6's they really blow away everything I have ever listened to before.

Problem is they are not good enough for me anymore. I like bassy music, but not muddy like the V6's are, but at the same time crisp highs with out killing my ears like the V6's can do.

I like to listen to music loud, and I have my phones plugged into a Sony STR-DE595 receiver which is getting it's signal from my XS-71 sound card that I have equalized cause it's not that great.

The V6's are really good at doing one thing once, if it's just highs it sounds amazing, mids, sound good and bassy parts alone like explosions in games or music sounds great, but when they all come together what happens is the bass overwhelms the highs and mids while at the same time sounding really muddy and crappy.

 

Now here is my delima. I have $169 that's it. For me the V6's are really good until bass and gaming comes into play. I game a lot and these have no sound stage.

When I am playing Bad Company 2 I often get knifed from behind cause I cant hear them sneaking up on me. I hear that the ATH-AD700 are great for gaming with the incredible sound stage, but are really lacking on the bass which wont do for me. I have been looking at the ATH-M50's and the DT-770 PRO 80om for my bass loving music and boom boom movies like Transformers. I fear that if I get one it will only be good for one of the things I need new phones for. For under $170 what would be my best option for gaming sound stage, with non muddy, but pronounced bass? Thank you very much for your advice! 

 

Also, sorry for my not so well written plea, i'm tired haha.


I shouldn't be answering this haha since I have neither heard the V6 nor the DT770 and the M50 only for a few minutes.. I'll give it a go anyway until someone more knowledgeable pops in. For gaming and movies, I would recommend either the DT880 or the Denon D2000. The DT880 could be slightly superior depending whether you listen to music a lot too or not: The Beyers have plenty of controlled bass (for a headphone), great soundstage and very high/sparkly treble (which also gives the headphone its soundstage/airiness). But the treble might hurt your ears (as they do for me). Music wise, they are fun to listen to, but can be fatiguing and don't do classical very well. D2000 has good bass as well, maybe extending deeper but lacking a little of the punch of the DT880, sounds warmer and the soundstage - although wide for a closed can - has some hollowness to it and lacks the air of the DT880. But I prefer it to the Beyer for music (just my opinion!).

So if the DT770 sounds anything like the DT880 (I only heard the 250 Ohm version), it should do the job really well for you if you don't mind the harsh treble. In the little time I had to audition the M50, I thought it sounded really punchy, but had not too much soundstage, somewhat recessed mids, maybe slightly grainy and was also one of those headphones that do not offend, i.e. nothing wrong but nothing outstanding.

Also, if you game a lot, invest in a Xonar soundcard (one that gives you Dolby headphone, I think the lower models don't), it does amazing things for sound positioning in gaming mode with 6 or 8 channel input (you might have to tweak this for BFBC2 if I remember correctly, I don't really game anymore), Dolby Pro Logic to downmix to stereo and Dolby headphone to create a speaker-like presentation with better positioning.

 



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Originally Posted by jackedupmachine View Post

Hey im looking to replace my Sennheiser HD 555's, I want headphones that work well with Heavy Metal Music, to give you an idea I listen to Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Opeth, Megadeth, Pantera and others.

 

Thanks


Budget, headphone style (closed, open, portable?), did you like the HD555's? You get what you ask for, so if you don't give me more input, you're not going to get a good answer. Don't know what the normal recommendations are around here, but I thought Metallica sounded amazing on Denon D2k or D5k. I think Ultrasones might also fit the bill (maybe even more so), but they didn't do anything for me since I don't like their sound signature.

 

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I'm fully aware of the idea of this thread and its a great idea. But i still have the opinion that people could at least do SOME reading. I could be completely wrong here but this thread isnt made to inspire people to become lazy, or is 

 

"He's done exactly what he's supposed to do"

 

So he and several others - this "ranting" isnt personal as the guy i quoted serves as a example - are suposed to just sit and let others come up with things that can be found with 20minutes of reading/searching? please....

 

To continue on the example, this took me 30 seconds;

http://www.head-fi.org/search.php?advanced=1&search=heavy+metal&titleonly=1&byuser=&output=all&containingforum%5B%5D=4&replycompare=gt&numupdates=0&sdate=0&newer=1&sort=startdate&order=descending&Search=SEARCH

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Thread Starter 

Haven't checked in to this thread for a while. Good to see it's still going, but are people still doing drive-by posts here? It'd be great if those who've received advice come back to pay it forward and post their own findings.

post #5556 of 29490
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Originally Posted by Stitch View Post

I'm fully aware of the idea of this thread and its a great idea. But i still have the opinion that people could at least do SOME reading. I could be completely wrong here but this thread isnt made to inspire people to become lazy, or is 

 

"He's done exactly what he's supposed to do"

 

So he and several others - this "ranting" isnt personal as the guy i quoted serves as a example - are suposed to just sit and let others come up with things that can be found with 20minutes of reading/searching? please....

 

To continue on the example, this took me 30 seconds;

http://www.head-fi.org/search.php?advanced=1&search=heavy+metal&titleonly=1&byuser=&output=all&containingforum%5B%5D=4&replycompare=gt&numupdates=0&sdate=0&newer=1&sort=startdate&order=descending&Search=SEARCH


Agreed - in general. But why bother logging on and posting a rant if you're not going to help anyway? I can get annoyed too at people who don't do their research. But at least on head-fi, I can just ignore them or not post at all in a thread like this if a post rubs me the wrong way (be it the posting style, lack of research, bad day or whatever). When I do post, I try to help or point in the right direction, even if I know that I will probably have put in a lot more time and effort answering the question in the first place than the poster did in asking his question. After all, I don't thank every OP of every review on here that I have read in the course of my research. In fact, I never do (call it laziness), but I do appreciate their work. Sometimes you have to give a bit back.

 

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I do know I need a new sound card as well. Both of those headphones are over my budget too :/
 

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I shouldn't be answering this haha since I have neither heard the V6 nor the DT770 and the M50 only for a few minutes.. I'll give it a go anyway until someone more knowledgeable pops in. For gaming and movies, I would recommend either the DT880 or the Denon D2000. The DT880 could be slightly superior depending whether you listen to music a lot too or not: The Beyers have plenty of controlled bass (for a headphone), great soundstage and very high/sparkly treble (which also gives the headphone its soundstage/airiness). But the treble might hurt your ears (as they do for me). Music wise, they are fun to listen to, but can be fatiguing and don't do classical very well. D2000 has good bass as well, maybe extending deeper but lacking a little of the punch of the DT880, sounds warmer and the soundstage - although wide for a closed can - has some hollowness to it and lacks the air of the DT880. But I prefer it to the Beyer for music (just my opinion!).

So if the DT770 sounds anything like the DT880 (I only heard the 250 Ohm version), it should do the job really well for you if you don't mind the harsh treble. In the little time I had to audition the M50, I thought it sounded really punchy, but had not too much soundstage, somewhat recessed mids, maybe slightly grainy and was also one of those headphones that do not offend, i.e. nothing wrong but nothing outstanding.

Also, if you game a lot, invest in a Xonar soundcard (one that gives you Dolby headphone, I think the lower models don't), it does amazing things for sound positioning in gaming mode with 6 or 8 channel input (you might have to tweak this for BFBC2 if I remember correctly, I don't really game anymore), Dolby Pro Logic to downmix to stereo and Dolby headphone to create a speaker-like presentation with better positioning.

 




Budget, headphone style (closed, open, portable?), did you like the HD555's? You get what you ask for, so if you don't give me more input, you're not going to get a good answer. Don't know what the normal recommendations are around here, but I thought Metallica sounded amazing on Denon D2k or D5k. I think Ultrasones might also fit the bill (maybe even more so), but they didn't do anything for me since I don't like their sound signature.

 



 

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Originally Posted by Stitch View Post

I'm fully aware of the idea of this thread and its a great idea. But i still have the opinion that people could at least do SOME reading. I could be completely wrong here but this thread isnt made to inspire people to become lazy, or is 

 

"He's done exactly what he's supposed to do"

 

So he and several others - this "ranting" isnt personal as the guy i quoted serves as a example - are suposed to just sit and let others come up with things that can be found with 20minutes of reading/searching? please....

 

To continue on the example, this took me 30 seconds;

http://www.head-fi.org/search.php?advanced=1&search=heavy+metal&titleonly=1&byuser=&ou tput=all&containingforum%5B%5D=4&replycompare=gt&numupdates=0&sdate=0&newer=1&sort=startdate&order=descending&Search=SEARCH


OK - now put yourself in his shoes.  First time here, may not know how to use search (my first time here I didn't know how to properly search either), and he gets the response you gave ......

 

Suggest you reread YOUR 1st post replying.  No need to rant - simply don't help if you don't want to.

 

BTW - if you'd posted the same link in response, and in a few words showed how to use the search filters, then it would have been incredibly helpful.

 

IMO this whole site is about help.  You get it, you pay it back.  It's just the people who change.  I'm learning as I go, and have posted a couple of reviews as my way of helping.  As I get to hear more gear, I'll start recommending (I won't unless I've heard the gear).  But I purposely do not post in threads if it's not going to contribute.  In a round about way - by providing that link, you have contributed - and with luck the poster (and others) will heave learnt from it. 

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Originally Posted by feNcheL View Post




Agreed - in general. But why bother logging on and posting a rant if you're not going to help anyway? I can get annoyed too at people who don't do their research. But at least on head-fi, I can just ignore them or not post at all in a thread like this if a post rubs me the wrong way (be it the posting style, lack of research, bad day or whatever). When I do post, I try to help or point in the right direction, even if I know that I will probably have put in a lot more time and effort answering the question in the first place than the poster did in asking his question. After all, I don't thank every OP of every review on here that I have read in the course of my research. In fact, I never do (call it laziness), but I do appreciate their work. Sometimes you have to give a bit back.

 

 

 

Good point. I usualy ignore them too but its getting worse every week. 

Hell, its easy to tell some dont even bother to read the opening post, or anything else for that matter. If they did they would have come across these two lines;

 
Quote:

 

Lastly, please read the last few pages before posting. Searching the site at large can yield strange results but try searching THIS THREAD with relevant terms like genre and price. It's likely an answer posted to a similar question may set you on the right path.

 
Even a forum search yields decent result as shown above.
 
 
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OK - now put yourself in his shoes.  First time here, may not know how to use search (my first time here I didn't know how to properly search either), and he gets the response you gave ......

 

Suggest you reread YOUR 1st post replying.  No need to rant - simply don't help if you don't want to.

 

BTW - if you'd posted the same link in response, and in a few words showed how to use the search filters, then it would have been incredibly helpful.

 

IMO this whole site is about help.  You get it, you pay it back.  It's just the people who change.  I'm learning as I go, and have posted a couple of reviews as my way of helping.  As I get to hear more gear, I'll start recommending (I won't unless I've heard the gear).  But I purposely do not post in threads if it's not going to contribute.  In a round about way - by providing that link, you have contributed - and with luck the poster (and others) will heave learnt from it. 

 
I wasn going this way but sinced you brought it up;
When i came here for answers the first time i already did some searching/reading, both google and head-fi, and had a decent list of options and a budget.
I'm always ready to help people but not if there is no effort to begin with. 
 
I just re-read it as you sugested and i think i put it very polite. Even more subtle and wouldn't get my point across.
On a side note; I did mention/linked the search function in my first post on the matter.
 

Edited by Stitch - 7/26/11 at 4:11am
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Originally Posted by VagueDustin View Post

I do know I need a new sound card as well. Both of those headphones are over my budget too :/
 



 


If I remember correctly, the DT770 sounds very similar to the DT880 (although inferior), but don't quote me on that!

Also, consider buying used in the FS section here, you live in the US and since most classifieds have free postage within the US, you might snag a good deal if you keep your eyes open. Actually, I would recommend looking at the DT880 in the FS section, very competitive pricing,  friendly members, and apparently not too many scam artists. Never bought in the FS section myself since I'd have to pay for overseas shipping, but as long as you buy from people with lots of feedback, you should be on the safe side.

 

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In response to the guys bickering above, I think Stitch had good intentions but his wording came off as a little rude, especially so to someone who is really new to the head-fi forums. I agree that the Search button is a useful tool but sometimes after going through a few pages, you still will not be able to find an answer to your question.

What Jackedupmachine should do is list a price range, maybe some criterias to his headphones so that we can give more specific answers. And maybe the guys who have more experience in these forums can be a little nicer to newcomers.. especially the ones who own Beats. It seems like all Beats users are labeled as douchebags. While some may think they look hip-per or richer than the general population, some of them are really quite nice.

That single post stitch made about using the Search function probably isn't going to do much but piss off Jackedupmachine and maybe turn away a few lurkers on these forums. Being new myself, I think the atmosphere in here can be a little unforgiving for us - everyone's using DT880s, MS-1s, HD600s, M50s. Lower-end headphone users don't feel like they belong in here and they'll probably be discouraged from asking questions that might seem silly.

500

Ok back to the topic smily_headphones1.gif

I just auditioned both the ATH-M50s and the SR80is for a short while today.

The SR80is definitely leak a lot, but the noise coming in from the outside isn't too big a deal.

The M50s were closed back so they sealed out a little more than the SR80is. Both were quite uncomfortable, compared to my Sennheiser HD438, since they had a lot more clamping force. The pads on the Grado were less smooth and had a slightly rougher surface than my HD438s' velour pads. THe M50's pads are hard and uncomfortable. All in all, I found the SR80i more comfortable than the M50s.

Again sound-wise, the SR80i wins. I don't know how to describe the sound from headphones but I felt that the SR80is had more life to their sound than the M50s. My friend disagrees, saying that the M50s had more bass than the SR80i. Psh. The cables on both the SR80i and M50 were a lot thicker than the ones on my HD438.

ATH-M50 - S$238
SR80i - S$170

Imo, the SR80i wins.
Edited by koolkat - 7/26/11 at 7:44am
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500

 


Picture is epic win

 

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ty diverge and olorin ^_^

I hope I'm not violating head-fi's terms of service or anything, lol.

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Hi, I'm thinking of replacing some old Bose Triport (AE) headphones I've owned for a while, as they're starting to show their age. The sound quality is fantastic by my ear, but that's more because I've not heard any better. Everything sounds good when your reference phones are all $20 cheapo/freebie phones.

 

The tricky part is I listen to [i]all kinds[/i] of music. One day it might be dubstep, another day chiptunes, and the next kpop. I realize different headphones lend themselves to different genres, but I simply don't stick to a genre or style. I will be using these for primarily music though, so no need to worry about music/game performance.

 

As far as design, I prefer around ear phones, as I have somewhat larger ears and have never found on ear cans to be comfortable.

 

Based on what I've read so far, closed cans are probably what I'd be looking at for the bass levels to support beefier bass genres like dubstep, but semi-opens seem like a more ideal middle ground. I'm not sure how bass handles with semis and other designs, and the only reference I have is these bose (unless you want to count cheapo phones)

 

So I guess more than anything I'm looking for suggestions on all-round cans. As for price range, I was preparing to buy k702s before I did the research and found the 702 open design wouldn't perform well with higher bass tracks.

 

The only thing I'd kind of like to see is a detachable cable, as I've had somewhat bad luck with cables even through I try very hard to keep them from being stressed. However this isn't a necessity.

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Originally Posted by smokeweed420 View Post

best i can find is amazon.com where they are 200$, this seems about right for the best deal around?

 

in my country they sell for the equivalent of 400 USD looool


Amazon prices are usually good and reliable... $200 is about right for the HD25-1-ii unless you can find someone having a sale, but I don't see those too often for the Senns since they're popular.

 



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Originally Posted by VagueDustin View Post

Hello audiophiles, I need advice.

I'm a budding audiophile with not much money to start.

My current pair of headphones are the Sony MDR-V6.

I only use headphones for everything, gaming, music, portable. I don't even have speakers. 

 

Okay, so I really like the V6's they really blow away everything I have ever listened to before.

Problem is they are not good enough for me anymore. I like bassy music, but not muddy like the V6's are, but at the same time crisp highs with out killing my ears like the V6's can do.

I like to listen to music loud, and I have my phones plugged into a Sony STR-DE595 receiver which is getting it's signal from my XS-71 sound card that I have equalized cause it's not that great.

The V6's are really good at doing one thing once, if it's just highs it sounds amazing, mids, sound good and bassy parts alone like explosions in games or music sounds great, but when they all come together what happens is the bass overwhelms the highs and mids while at the same time sounding really muddy and crappy.

 

Now here is my delima. I have $169 that's it. For me the V6's are really good until bass and gaming comes into play. I game a lot and these have no sound stage.

When I am playing Bad Company 2 I often get knifed from behind cause I cant hear them sneaking up on me. I hear that the ATH-AD700 are great for gaming with the incredible sound stage, but are really lacking on the bass which wont do for me. I have been looking at the ATH-M50's and the DT-770 PRO 80om for my bass loving music and boom boom movies like Transformers. I fear that if I get one it will only be good for one of the things I need new phones for. For under $170 what would be my best option for gaming sound stage, with non muddy, but pronounced bass? Thank you very much for your advice! 

 

Also, sorry for my not so well written plea, i'm tired haha.


You really can't have both strong bass and fps level soundstage within your budget. I would suggest getting two headphones... the AD700 for gaming, and a Sony XB700 for your basshead needs. You should be able to sneak both in under budget if you shop around.

 

 



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Originally Posted by jackedupmachine View Post

Hey im looking to replace my Sennheiser HD 555's, I want headphones that work well with Heavy Metal Music, to give you an idea I listen to Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Opeth, Megadeth, Pantera and others.

 

Thanks


Have you tried the mod to upgrade them to the 595 yet?

 


 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Haven't checked in to this thread for a while. Good to see it's still going, but are people still doing drive-by posts here? It'd be great if those who've received advice come back to pay it forward and post their own findings.


Every once in a while I get a pm from a guy thanking me and/or looking for further advice. It doesn't happen often, but it's nice when it does.

 


 

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Originally Posted by FireSlash View Post

Hi, I'm thinking of replacing some old Bose Triport (AE) headphones I've owned for a while, as they're starting to show their age. The sound quality is fantastic by my ear, but that's more because I've not heard any better. Everything sounds good when your reference phones are all $20 cheapo/freebie phones.

 

The tricky part is I listen to [i]all kinds[/i] of music. One day it might be dubstep, another day chiptunes, and the next kpop. I realize different headphones lend themselves to different genres, but I simply don't stick to a genre or style. I will be using these for primarily music though, so no need to worry about music/game performance.

 

As far as design, I prefer around ear phones, as I have somewhat larger ears and have never found on ear cans to be comfortable.

 

Based on what I've read so far, closed cans are probably what I'd be looking at for the bass levels to support beefier bass genres like dubstep, but semi-opens seem like a more ideal middle ground. I'm not sure how bass handles with semis and other designs, and the only reference I have is these bose (unless you want to count cheapo phones)

 

So I guess more than anything I'm looking for suggestions on all-round cans. As for price range, I was preparing to buy k702s before I did the research and found the 702 open design wouldn't perform well with higher bass tracks.

 

The only thing I'd kind of like to see is a detachable cable, as I've had somewhat bad luck with cables even through I try very hard to keep them from being stressed. However this isn't a necessity.


Perhaps a Shure 840/940?

 

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