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Originally Posted by jhelsas View Post

Some people @ amazon says that the 440 is uncomfortable in extended use(2h or more). Do anyone confirm that(or the oposite)?


This really comes down completely to personal preference and individual physiology.  The 440 are similar build to the 840.  I personally find the 840 very comfortable (can wear them for hours at a time).  Others have found the 840 to be unbearable for long listening periods.  If you can't get to try them, and want a safer bet, the AD700 / A700 are extremely comfortable.  The wing system  makes me forget I'm wearing them (when I'm gaming).

 

post #4742 of 29490
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Originally Posted by PCHU View Post

How great are the AD900s compared to those?


You were looking for closed headphones to provide some isolation. The AD900 very open.

 



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Originally Posted by TheUbiquitous View Post

'I`m having a hard time making up my mind. I'm 99% sure on the M50's but maybe I need a little push for the senn's confused_face.gif damn I don't know what to do

I'd like the M50's + senn hd558 + fiio E7 but it would dry me out for a long time frown.gif

 

Any input on how do the senn's do unamped?

 

The Senns are ok unamped.

 

My general advice though is to keep your spending reasonable. Just get the one first and be happy with that, and later on if you feel the need for more, then consider it after you've had some time to save up some more money. There's a lot of peer pressure from this place to always have more toys.

 

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Originally Posted by SennheiserHD View Post


if it makes such an indistinguishable difference let me ask you this, do you use a headphone amp? How can you speak for the "vast majority of people" if you yourself use one?

 


I've gone through many amps, have even built a few, and I organize my local meets. My ears are good enough to pick up differences in power supply and changing opamps if I know to listen for them. In my opinion, amping does not make a "huge" difference for the majority of headphones out there, and my feelings have been mirrored by most of those around me at local meets.

 

Headphones with high impedance and/or low sensitivy (or very high sensitivity) need some extra grunt to sound their best, but most dynamics are just fine even from modest mp3 players.

 



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Originally Posted by evanstapler View Post

Alright, I think I may have an idea of what I'm doing, I apologize for the wave of posts I've made. Possibly between the HD595, 598, and 600. I'm thinking the HD598 would be great for PC use, especially if I save money for an amp and continue to look into that. The price difference between the three is quite steep though, probably not enough to justify purchasing the HD600.


Stick with the 595 or 598, whichever is justifiable within your budget.

 



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Originally Posted by Akkuma View Post

I currently own HD 595s and have been using them as my regular headphones to use plugged into a laptop/desktop at work. I recently had the opportunity to audition HD 598s and Ultrasone HFI 780s. I have a $250 budget, since work is literally paying for headphones and we each get to choose what we want.

 

I am not limited to the 598s or the HFI 780s, but I won't have a chance to audition other headphones, which didn't stop me from getting the 595s. The 780s seemed to have some more detail/clarity in the mids & trebles, but lacked the clear, precise, and lower bass extension of the 598s. Perhaps it was one of the songs I heard, but the 780s seemed on the bright side, but only for a single song. However, I might be mistaking detail for what really is brightness. One other nice benefit is the 780s block out more sound than the HDs and I definitely won't have to worry about disturbing someone else with my music (although I listen and relatively moderate to low levels).

 

I listen to a large range of music from hip-hop to electronic to rock. Any recommendations on which you would choose or if you'd choose something else altogether with that budget would be appreciated.


Since you already have the 595, I say go with the Ultrasone for something different.

 



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Originally Posted by jhelsas View Post

Some people @ amazon says that the 440 is uncomfortable in extended use(2h or more). Do anyone confirm that(or the oposite)?


Any closed circumaural headphone will start to heat up for most people, which is one of the causes for discomfort.

 

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I already have the HD 595, but I wanted a sample of the Grado house sound.  I really wanted some more fun phones for metal and the whatnot.  The description of the sound sounds good for low volume listening, which is one thing I really want.  Lastly, I wanted something portable.  Also, I KNOW they aren't portable in the normal sense, but I take my HD595s EVERYWHERE and I believe the Grados would be a large improvement for portable listening.  Also, the Grados are a graduation present, and I am waiting for them to arrive (June 20-24.)
 

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

Very different sounds. I would personally pick the 595.



 

post #4744 of 29490
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post




You were looking for closed headphones to provide some isolation. The AD900 very open.

 



 

The Senns are ok unamped.

 

My general advice though is to keep your spending reasonable. Just get the one first and be happy with that, and later on if you feel the need for more, then consider it after you've had some time to save up some more money. There's a lot of peer pressure from this place to always have more toys.

 


I've gone through many amps, have even built a few, and I organize my local meets. My ears are good enough to pick up differences in power supply and changing opamps if I know to listen for them. In my opinion, amping does not make a "huge" difference for the majority of headphones out there, and my feelings have been mirrored by most of those around me at local meets.

 

Headphones with high impedance and/or low sensitivy (or very high sensitivity) need some extra grunt to sound their best, but most dynamics are just fine even from modest mp3 players.

 




Stick with the 595 or 598, whichever is justifiable within your budget.

 




Since you already have the 595, I say go with the Ultrasone for something different.

 




Any closed circumaural headphone will start to heat up for most people, which is one of the causes for discomfort.

 


Lol all i'm saying is how do you know your ears are better than anyone else? You're ears are trained to listen for that type of stuff thanks to years of audiophile equipment. Hiss would be too given the same amount of gear and time. So why deny people the awesomeness of a headphone amp? I once thought a headphone amp wasn't a must, but i'll never go back. never!
post #4745 of 29490
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Originally Posted by SennheiserHD View Post



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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post



 

The Senns are ok unamped.

 




Lol all i'm saying is how do you know your ears are better than anyone else? You're ears are trained to listen for that type of stuff thanks to years of audiophile equipment. Hiss would be too given the same amount of gear and time. So why deny people the awesomeness of a headphone amp? I once thought a headphone amp wasn't a must, but i'll never go back. never!


Noooo, Senn's need amps too.  I'm with SennHD - Amps/DAC's are very important.  They sure change the sound of my setup, and for the better... waaaaaaaaaaay better.

 

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Originally Posted by SennheiserHD View Post

Lol all i'm saying is how do you know your ears are better than anyone else? You're ears are trained to listen for that type of stuff thanks to years of audiophile equipment. Hiss would be too given the same amount of gear and time. So why deny people the awesomeness of a headphone amp? I once thought a headphone amp wasn't a must, but i'll never go back. never!


People come here on budgets.  Often, buying a separate amp or DAC doesn't rate very highly on the SQ per $ scale.

 

Can it make a difference?  Yes.  Is it the best use of a limited budget when buying low priced and/or easy to drive 'phones?  No.

 

Not very complicated...

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


People come here on budgets.  Often, buying a separate amp or DAC doesn't rate very highly on the SQ per $ scale.

 

Can it make a difference?  Yes.  Is it the best use of a limited budget when buying low priced and/or easy to drive 'phones?  No.

 

Not very complicated...


yes thats why you don't buy it all at once..long ago when i was a student......I bought..headphones....a dac...then an amp.and you really don't need to spend 80 million dollars to get quality...not very complicated.....
Edited by SennheiserHD - 6/16/11 at 5:19pm
post #4748 of 29490
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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


People come here on budgets.  Often, buying a separate amp or DAC doesn't rate very highly on the SQ per $ scale.

 

Can it make a difference?  Yes.  Is it the best use of a limited budget when buying low priced and/or easy to drive 'phones?  No.

 

Not very complicated...

 

This ^

 

Plus what I'm seeing more and more on head-fi (and it's concerning) is that people are not reading what the posters are asking for.  All a lot do are see "inset their favourite cans here" mentioned, and then immediately jump in with crazy advice about needing an amp etc, or recommending gear with no point of comparison to other options, or no thought to what the poster is actually asking for.

 

Look at last few pages of this thread - especially jhelsas requests.  New to higher end audio, wanting to go up the scale a little, doesn't like a lot of bass (wants more neutral/balanced), and looking for detail for (in order of pref) Jazz, Classical, Classical Rock .....  He also mentioned being open to the possibility down the track (ie later) at introducing a dac/amp or soundcard into his chain.
 

He's then told if considering the M50 (which IMO wasn't exactly suitable for him anyway) that it needs to be amped.  It does not NEED to be amped.  Neither does the 840, 440 etc.

 

I work in international marketing.  The first thing you learn is to listen to what the customer wants - then find a way to fulfil that need.  I know it's all subjective (opinion based), but anyone else get the feeling that enthusiasm and wanting to help is overpowering true experience lately?  It's why I don't give a lot of advice on comparisons etc unless I'm sure of my ground (eg I've been able to directly compare gear).  I'd rather step back, ask the questions and learn.  My time will come once I have some experience.

 

However, if someone posted after owning the cans and asked would an amp help (extend bass, clarity etc) for a particular model - that is an entirely different question.

 

/rant over.  I shall crawl back to my lurking spot and let the experts continue.

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Originally Posted by linuxid10t View Post

I already have the HD 595, but I wanted a sample of the Grado house sound.  I really wanted some more fun phones for metal and the whatnot.  The description of the sound sounds good for low volume listening, which is one thing I really want.  Lastly, I wanted something portable.  Also, I KNOW they aren't portable in the normal sense, but I take my HD595s EVERYWHERE and I believe the Grados would be a large improvement for portable listening.  Also, the Grados are a graduation present, and I am waiting for them to arrive (June 20-24.)
 



 

My roommate in college had 60s and I thought they sounded good for the how inexpensive they were compared to other headphones, but honestly they weren't comfortable enough for me to choose them over the 595s and I would never choose to wear them over most oher headphones out there.

 

 


Edited by Akkuma - 6/16/11 at 5:36pm
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I guess I was acting crazy, the thing is that I may go through a period of unemployment and I wanted to seize the oportunity now. But well it seems like I'll do the sensible thing and get only the m50's, and hope that I can keep on improoving in the future.

Thanks to all who helped!

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Turning to this thread once again!

 

So I just bought myself a nice portable rig. (See signature) I want some new closed cans or higher end IEMs for it. It  can and will power my HE 500 sometimes, but that's not the most practical for portability. 

 

List so far:

SRH 940

Westone 4

Shure 535

 

Size isn't really an issue as long as they can fold down. Budget is within the range of the mentioned options. Open to any other suggestions.

 

I listen to mainly EDM, but like a mostly flat sound. Mids and Bass are most important. (Mids over bass, but the bass HAS to be there too). 

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Turning to this thread once again!

 

So I just bought myself a nice portable rig. (See signature) I want some new closed cans or higher end IEMs for it. It  can and will power my HE 500 sometimes, but that's not the most practical for portability. 

 

List so far:

SRH 940

Westone 4

Shure 535

 

Size isn't really an issue as long as they can fold down. Budget is within the range of the mentioned options. Open to any other suggestions.

 

I listen to mainly EDM, but like a mostly flat sound. Mids and Bass are most important. (Mids over bass, but the bass HAS to be there too). 


Morbid - O/T - but after you decide, can you let me know how you get on?  You just 'hit' two out of the items on my short list (940 / 535).  Would be interested in seeing what you settle on eventually, and how your eventual choices work out.

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Can't ever promise I'll settle, but I'll always give impressions and try to write reviews. Been totally lazy writing my HE 500 review. :D

 

I've been very curious about Shure stuff. Wanting to try some. The 535 sounds really nice, but I'm worried it may be slightly bass light for me.

 

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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post




Morbid - O/T - but after you decide, can you let me know how you get on?  You just 'hit' two out of the items on my short list (940 / 535).  Would be interested in seeing what you settle on eventually, and how your eventual choices work out.



 

 

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Originally Posted by TheUbiquitous View Post

I guess I was acting crazy, the thing is that I may go through a period of unemployment and I wanted to seize the oportunity now. But well it seems like I'll do the sensible thing and get only the m50's, and hope that I can keep on improoving in the future.

Thanks to all who helped!


If unemployment is looming, seriously just save your money now for the rainy day.

 



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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Turning to this thread once again!

 

So I just bought myself a nice portable rig. (See signature) I want some new closed cans or higher end IEMs for it. It  can and will power my HE 500 sometimes, but that's not the most practical for portability. 

 

List so far:

SRH 940

Westone 4

Shure 535

 

Size isn't really an issue as long as they can fold down. Budget is within the range of the mentioned options. Open to any other suggestions.

 

I listen to mainly EDM, but like a mostly flat sound. Mids and Bass are most important. (Mids over bass, but the bass HAS to be there too). 


From accounts I've read, the 940 seems to be less bassy but more detailed and better mids than the 840. Based on my experience with the 840 and EDM genres, that feels like it would be quite suitable for you.

 

Seeing as you've got all that power in your portable rig though, I feel like you should be looking at something that can appreciably use all that extra grunt. How about tracking down one of those rare Senn HD25-13 (the 600 ohm version of the HD25-1-ii).


 

 


Edited by Armaegis - 6/16/11 at 9:02pm
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That's awesome. 

 

Also...I didn't know they made the 25-13. Interesting to say the least, but I couldn't wear the 25-1 IIs comfortably at all. I wish I could try them again and see if I could find the right fit (if possible for me). The 25-13s seem very tough to track down though.
 

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post


From accounts I've read, the 940 seems to be less bassy but more detailed and better mids than the 840. Based on my experience with the 840 and EDM genres, that feels like it would be quite suitable for you.

 

Seeing as you've got all that power in your portable rig though, I feel like you should be looking at something that can appreciably use all that extra grunt. How about tracking down one of those rare Senn HD25-13 (the 600 ohm version of the HD25-1-ii).


 

 



 

 

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