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As far as testing goes...You're in New York man...Lucky...

 

http://www.jr.com/information/directions.jsp
 

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Originally Posted by Bummrounde View Post

Thanks for the heads up.  I don't necessarily need "king" level of isolation.  NYC subway makes a racket on its own, but when I'm in the mood for some Misery Index I don't want to scare the little old ladies next to me evil_smiley.gif.  I also am not against getting an amp if that will help the sound blossom.  But I'd definitely like to keep the amp price under $100 and portable enabled.  The Audigy 2 ZS has a DAC in it so that should be acceptable (am I right?).  The size of the K271 shouldn't be an issue since I always have my backpack with me. 

 

Is the K271 with a Fiio E5 (or E11 when available) a higher class of SQ than a 7506/V6?  If I wanted a step-up from 7506 that is closed back and over-the-ear, that seems like a good combo.  Also anyone know a store in NYC where I can go listen to some nice cans like these?



 

 

post #4082 of 29490

Yeah pretty much.  Rock music won't scale nearly as much with the amp, but it will see improvement.  A Fiio E5 would be enough amp for the HD 598 to give it the bass you want, and if there isn't enough bass, it has a bass boost :D
 

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Originally Posted by hankmoody View Post

Mh, I understood... I don't want to lose quality on the other genres only because of the bass, you know... I think this headphones would be excellent with artists like Leona Lewis, Coldplay, Boston... But wiht an amp I can also listen to dance-trance... Did I get it? :D
So, thank you for the advice, other advices would be obviously appreciated! :)
 

 

 

 



 



 



 

post #4083 of 29490

@MorbidToaster @Armaegis

 

Great! smily_headphones1.gif Just when I thought I almost made my choice (HD25-1 ii), I just finished reading a couple of reviews for the Phiaton MS400 (never heard of them before) and falling in love with the design, the comfort, how they are supposed to sound great with EDM and reading the following in this comparison review,

 

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What the MS400 does have over the HD25 and Beats Solo is the immersion factor – the soundstage is more spherical in shape and actually extends top-to-bottom and even front-to-rear (a little). Unlike the HD25-1, which has a narrow soundstage and manages to sound a bit distant at the same time, the sound of the MS400 envelops the listener very closely and extends outwards from there. The effect resulting from combining an intimate presentation with a bass-heavy sound signature is rather attention-grabbing. Can the MS400 be considered a true audiophile set? Probably not. But moving back to my HD25-1 I can’t help but be disappointed by the cold, unwelcoming brightness and slight metallic treble tinge exhibited by my beloved Sennheisers.

 

I discovered the Phiaton is not sold in the Netherlands...

Even buying online seems to be a challenge.


Argh! Buying new headphones gives me headaches ;)

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Originally Posted by Bummrounde View Post





Thanks for the heads up.  I don't necessarily need "king" level of isolation.  NYC subway makes a racket on its own, but when I'm in the mood for some Misery Index I don't want to scare the little old ladies next to me evil_smiley.gif.  I also am not against getting an amp if that will help the sound blossom.  But I'd definitely like to keep the amp price under $100 and portable enabled.  The Audigy 2 ZS has a DAC in it so that should be acceptable (am I right?).  The size of the K271 shouldn't be an issue since I always have my backpack with me. 

 

Is the K271 with a Fiio E5 (or E11 when available) a higher class of SQ than a 7506/V6?  If I wanted a step-up from 7506 that is closed back and over-the-ear, that seems like a good combo.  Also anyone know a store in NYC where I can go listen to some nice cans like these?


imo the Audigy 2 ZS has a very good DAC for music (for $100, it is what it is), at least much better than any built-in motherboard DAC. i absolutely love mine.
Edited by fomoz - 5/18/11 at 12:44pm
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Ok, maybe I'll look for this or another amp if mine doesn't work with the 598...

And what about a quick copmparison between the 598 and the HD 25 II? What are the main differences? I read that the HD 25 II are more bass-oriented, but i didn't understand on what level they can be compared with the 598. I know that hd 25 cans are closed, while the 598's cans are open, and this should be pretty important for the isolation (I don't care about it xD) and the bass; but what about the overall (mids, highs) sound quality? Which one is better?
 

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Originally Posted by linuxid10t View Post

Yeah pretty much.  Rock music won't scale nearly as much with the amp, but it will see improvement.  A Fiio E5 would be enough amp for the HD 598 to give it the bass you want, and if there isn't enough bass, it has a bass boost :D
 

 

 

 



 



 



 



 

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

I love posting in this thread sometimes. :D

 

Alright...So...My anniversary is coming up and I want to get my fiancee (dating anniversary, not marriage...hoping to change that very soon) a nice pair of headphones.

 

She loves...LOVES...David Bowie, and general 80s glam stuff. She's also into 90s pop, but much less so.

 

I'm thinkin' Grados, but it's always good to get a second opinion. The other thing that's nice about Grados is I can mod them and personalize it a little beyond 'a pair of headphones'.

 

Suggest away!

 

Grados are pretty uncomfortable.  The comfies (only in comparison), bowls, and HD 414 pads are one I've owned and I thought they were all pretty awful comfort wise.  Never tried the flats or jumbos though.

 

Also to be overly stereotypical, she might enjoy the red-ish pink Jaben aluminium cups and the (fake) jumbos that come with them are probably them more comfy that the normal size pads.Unless you know she like really bright 'phones I'd start with the SR60i or SR80i ans they aren't painful like most of the rest.  The i's have seem to have deeper bass but I'm not sure if that's due to the driver or the deeper enclosure compared to the non-i's.

 

Beyond that you might want to look for something with a nice midrange and soundstage.  I've read that the HD598s are good in that regard but haven't heard them myself.  Grado's typicly have nice sounding mids bout you usually can't hear it over the treble and'or midbass depending on the model.  I'd also just about bet a kidney that the 598s will have a better soundstage than any stock Grado besides the GS and PS and more than most modded ones as well.

 

I usually see individual preferences for a sound sig as more important than what genres of music you listen to

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I was planning on some JMoney mods to make them a little more personal. Walnut cups and a Brown Leather heaband (I know they're notoriously uncomfortable stock).

 

How are Grados with both Male and Female vocals? That's what she likes the most in sound. Recommendations based on that point, rather than genres maybe?

 

Also, the 598s were another headphone I was considering, but it's a little less personal.

 

EDIT: I was thinking 125is.
 

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post

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Grados are pretty uncomfortable.  The comfies (only in comparison), bowls, and HD 414 pads are one I've owned and I thought they were all pretty awful comfort wise.  Never tried the flats or jumbos though.

 

Also to be overly stereotypical, she might enjoy the red-ish pink Jaben aluminium cups and the (fake) jumbos that come with them are probably them more comfy that the normal size pads.Unless you know she like really bright 'phones I'd start with the SR60i or SR80i ans they aren't painful like most of the rest.  The i's have seem to have deeper bass but I'm not sure if that's due to the driver or the deeper enclosure compared to the non-i's.

 

Beyond that you might want to look for something with a nice midrange and soundstage.  I've read that the HD598s are good in that regard but haven't heard them myself.  Grado's typicly have nice sounding mids bout you usually can't hear it over the treble and'or midbass depending on the model.  I'd also just about bet a kidney that the 598s will have a better soundstage than any stock Grado besides the GS and PS and more than most modded ones as well.

 

I usually see individual preferences for a sound sig as more important than what genres of music you listen to



 

 


Edited by MorbidToaster - 5/18/11 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

The 840 will sound sorta similar to the D2000, with the Denon having deeper extension but the 840 more oomph. The 595/598 will not be hugely different from the 650 as all the full sizes Senns tend to be fairly similar (and you'll be going down the ladder in this case), but the 595 can be had quite cheap these days.

 

The M50 will be mildly similar to the 990 but with no soundstage and a closed boxy feeling.

 

The AD700 should be completely different from anything you've heard so far.

 

In terms of a home receiver, it's garage sale season. Pick up a vintage receiver for $20.

What do you mean by "going down the ladder"? The HD595 and 650 is around >US $250 apart and there's no hugely differences? I suppose I could retire M50 since obviously the DT990 is definitely more superior in term of sound. I'll need to find some time on Friday to try the AD 700, HD650 and DT990 again.

 

I might as well ask since most likely DT990/HD650 looks more likely to be my purchase. What's a best for value yet affordable amp/dac (hybrid) for bringing the best out? I read around and saw a lot of guys using the FiiO E9/E7 combo for those on tight budget.

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

I was planning on some JMoney mods to make them a little more personal. Walnut cups and a Brown Leather heaband (I know they're notoriously uncomfortable stock).

 

How are Grados with both Male and Female vocals? That's what she likes the most in sound. Recommendations based on that point, rather than genres maybe?

 

Also, the 598s were another headphone I was considering, but it's a little less personal.

 

EDIT: I was thinking 125is.


I haven't heard each one in the lineup or compared them side by side, but it seems like the higher you go up the chain the brighter the get.  IMO they do great with male vocals and less good (though not crap or anything) with female vocals, but often you get assaulted by the excessive treble when you turn up loud enough to hear them.  From Tylls new graphs, the 125 doesn't look excessively bright so it might be a good place to start.

 

Of the ones I've owned (and not just heard at meets) the SR80 (non-i) was brighter than I'd prefer but still listenable for long stretches.  The SR325i was just painful.  I could barely listen to a whole album before my ears demanded a break...

 

Also the part that's uncomfortable is the foam earpads.  The plastic cupped ones are light enough that it doesn't matter that the headband has no padding.  As you add wood or metal cups and bump up the weight you'll need some extra padding on the headband though and Grado does that as the 325i (the first non-plastic one) and up have leather headbands with a bit of padding.


Edited by maverickronin - 5/18/11 at 3:18pm
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Looking at those graphs I'm glad I was going with the 125i over the 225 or 325i. There's a big difference there.

 

I was going to break in both the headphones and the pads myself to get them as comfortable as I can for her. I was planning on trying to soften them up a bit. If I can get them to a place I feel comfortable with, I know they'll be fine for her. I'm much more sensitive than she is on comfort.

 

I don't know how many different Grado pads there are...I just know it's a lot. lol

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


I haven't heard each one in the lineup or compared them side by side, but it seems like the higher you go up the chain the brighter the get.  IMO they do great with male vocals and less good (though not crap or anything) with female vocals, but often you get assaulted by the excessive treble when you turn up loud enough to hear them.  From Tylls new graphs, the 125 doesn't look excessively bright so it might be a good place to start.

 

Of the ones I've owned (and not just heard at meets) the SR80 (non-i) was brighter than I'd prefer but still listenable for long stretches.  The SR325i was just painful.  I could barely listen to a whole album before my ears demanded a break...

 

Also the part that's uncomfortable is the foam earpads.  The plastic cupped ones are light enough that it doesn't matter that the headband has no padding.  As you add wood or metal cups and bump up the weight you'll need some extra padding on the headband though and Grado does that as the 325i (the first non-plastic one) and up have leather headbands with a bit of padding.



 

 

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Looking at those graphs I'm glad I was going with the 125i over the 225 or 325i. There's a big difference there.

 

I was going to break in both the headphones and the pads myself to get them as comfortable as I can for her. I was planning on trying to soften them up a bit. If I can get them to a place I feel comfortable with, I know they'll be fine for her. I'm much more sensitive than she is on comfort.

 

I don't know how many different Grado pads there are...I just know it's a lot. lol


This article sums up most of the pad situation.  AFIK it only leaves out the Senn HD414 pads and the Jaben fake jumbos.

 

Also hand washing the pads with mild soap will speeds their break in.

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That's what I've been hearing. Thanks for the link.

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


This article sums up most of the pad situation.  AFIK it only leaves out the Senn HD414 pads and the Jaben fake jumbos.

 

Also hand washing the pads with mild soap will speeds their break in.



 

 

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I can't really tell you at which level they would compare to the HD 598, but the HD 598s are open, which will definitely help sound quality.  Also, the HD 598s are going to be very, very comfy.
 

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Originally Posted by hankmoody View Post

Ok, maybe I'll look for this or another amp if mine doesn't work with the 598...

And what about a quick copmparison between the 598 and the HD 25 II? What are the main differences? I read that the HD 25 II are more bass-oriented, but i didn't understand on what level they can be compared with the 598. I know that hd 25 cans are closed, while the 598's cans are open, and this should be pretty important for the isolation (I don't care about it xD) and the bass; but what about the overall (mids, highs) sound quality? Which one is better?
 

 

 

 



 



 



 



 



 

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imo the Audigy 2 ZS has a very good DAC for music (for $100, it is what it is), at least much better than any built-in motherboard DAC. i absolutely love mine.


Glad to hear that, my experience with it is good enough that I didn't plan on getting a separate DAC anyway.  I've only been to the JR Express.  Appears the full size JR store is a different  story on headphone selection.  I'm going to head down there over the weekend and do some listening.  I guess it can't be on Sunday since the world ends on May 21st eek.gif.  I'd like some recommendations on what cans I should definitely take the opportunity to listen to, as well as some musical recommendations for sampling.  My current lists are looking like:

 

Music:

-Volbeat, Guitar Gangsters, Still Counting, Back to Prom

-Scorpions, Sails of Charon, Your Light

-Benny Goodman, Sing Sing Sing, Superman

-Ben Webster, Blues in B-Flat, Star Dust

-Queen, I Want It All, Somebody to Love, Ogre Battle

-Sarah Vaughan, Penthouse Serenade, other stuff from anthology

-Therion, Tuna 1613, Dvorak Symphony #9

-Metallica, Master of Puppets, One, Nothing Else Matters, Broken/Beat/Scarred

-Allman Bros, Elizabeth Reed Live@Filmore

-Boston, Peace of Mind, Foreplay/Long Time

-Bill Withers, Lovely Day, Ain't No Sunshine

-Budos Band, Budos Rising

-Cake, Short Skirt Long Jacket, She'll Come Back to Me

-Machinehead, Beautiful Mourning

-Decapitated, Spheres of Madness

 

I'll rotate between those so I don't get too tired of any song, and I'm familiar with them all.  I'm using only mp3s since I'm most familiar with those versions and will mostly be listening to that format not FLAC etc.

 

Headphones (if available to listen):

Shure SRH440

Shure SRH840

AKG K271

AT AD700

AT A700

AT M50

AIAIAI TMA-1

BT DT770

Sennheiser HD448

Grado SR125

Grado SR225

Denon D1100

 

Who knows how many I'll get through before making the call.  I'm actually a pretty patient guy.  JR will probably get tired of me hogging headphones first.  Like I said, you guys see anything missing let me know.  I took based my selection on what's on JR's site don't know if they'll all be available to listen to.

 

 

 

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What do you mean by "going down the ladder"? The HD595 and 650 is around >US $250 apart and there's no hugely differences? I suppose I could retire M50 since obviously the DT990 is definitely more superior in term of sound. I'll need to find some time on Friday to try the AD 700, HD650 and DT990 again.

 

I might as well ask since most likely DT990/HD650 looks more likely to be my purchase. What's a best for value yet affordable amp/dac (hybrid) for bringing the best out? I read around and saw a lot of guys using the FiiO E9/E7 combo for those on tight budget.


As with all things audio, you have diminishing returns as you climb up. Sennheisers tend to have a very similar sound across their full sized open headphones. Grados tend to have a similar sound going up as well. There's a $1k difference across them. Whether or not the small changes in sound is worthwhile is up to the listener and the size of their wallet.

 

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