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I am planning to buy Beyerdynamic T5p or Ultrasone Edition 8 this weekend. Which one will be a good match with Hifiman HM-801? I am worried the T5p sounds like AKG 701.

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I am planning to buy Beyerdynamic T5p or Ultrasone Edition 8 this weekend. Which one will be a good match with Hifiman HM-801? I am worried the T5p sounds like AKG 701.


From the numbers the ED8 will have more bass than the T5p on most solid state amps.  It has to do with some obscure electrical properties.  Tell me if you want more info on it.

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hello,

i would like you guys to list a few models of full-size headphones, preferably with detachable cables. i plan on using them at home, so isolation is not an issue. the only full-size headphones that i've ever had are Sony MDR-V700DJ, i find that they have a very poor SQ and they get extremely uncomfortable when worn for more than an hour.

i would like something that's comfortable for long listening periods. i listen to electronic dance music. i would like the headphones to have a nice full, fun sound. i'm definitely not looking for something very analytical, but i also don't want something that is too excessive and in-your-face. i want the bass to be tight and generous and the treble to be crisp, but the overall presentation to still have some balance. basically i want them to produce a pleasant, impressive sound. i want a large sound stage and a dramatic sound.

i'm planning on using the the Graham Slee Voyager portable amp for now with my Sansa Fuze + LOD, as well as my desktop setup. i'm also not afraid to invest in a full size amp at some point, but that's gonna be later. i want something that can be driven by the Voyager without problems, but it's ok if it's not gonna be able to take them to their full potential. i think upgrading my equipment is part of the fun smily_headphones1.gif

price is not an issue, but i would like to maintain good value. meaning that i'm prepared to pay, if it's worth it!

thanks!

EDIT: changed closed to no preference
Edited by fomoz - 4/28/11 at 9:49am
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hello,

i would like you guys to list a few models of closed full-size headphones, preferably with detachable cables. the only full-size headphones that i've ever had are Sony MDR-V700DJ, i find that they have a very poor SQ and they get extremely uncomfortable when worn for more than an hour.

i would like something that's comfortable. i listen to electronic dance music. i would like the headphones to have a nice full, fun sound. i'm definitely not looking for something very analytical, but i also don't want something that is too excessive and in-your-face. i want the bass to be tight and generous and the treble to be crisp, but the overall presentation to still have some balance. basically i want them to produce a pleasant, impressive sound.

i'm planning on using the the Graham Slee Voyager portable amp for now with my Sansa Fuze + LOD, as well as my desktop setup. i'm also not afraid to invest in a full size amp at some point, but that's gonna be later. i want something that can be driven by the Voyager without problems, but it's ok if it's not gonna be able to take them to their full potential. i think upgrading my equipment is part of the fun smily_headphones1.gif

price-wise, between $500 and $1000.

thanks!


Some Ultrasones may be right up your ally as people seem to love them with electronic music.  If you want to go hog wild, a used Edition 8 will come in right at the very top of your budget.  I've heard it once but I don't remember much besides, 1) it had plenty of bass without being muddy, 2) looked cool as hell in person, 3) was easily driven by my Total Bithead,  and 4) even though I liked the sound the value proposition seemed a little questionable.  They don't have a detachable cable though.

 

For less than half the cost of the ED8s you could get an Ultrasone Pro 900.  I've never heard them but they are praised for their performance with electronic music.  They don't look near as cool as the ED8s but they do have a detachable cable.  They've got the same sensitivity and impedance as the ED8s so they shouldn't be hard to drive either.  I don't know the specs on your amp, but it should probably be fine since my Bithead isn't exactly know for its power.

 

EDIT:  I should probably also add that some people seem to making noises about Ultrasone's QC and North American customer support.  I don't know if these are valid concerns or not, but its something I'm looking into since I may soon be in the market for a high end set of closed 'phones like the Edition 8 for myself.


Edited by maverickronin - 4/28/11 at 8:31am
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Hey there!

 

Let's start things off with the stuff I'm currently using: rockboxed Clip+ -> FiiO E5 -> AIAIAI tma-1

 

Works perfectly fine for on the go but lacks in certain departments. I don't get that "sinking into" the music, or "floating" along...or just any nautical phrasing that describes a nice evening at home, relaxing and listening to some good music. The tma-1 just feels suffocating at times, like in a small closed room, even though the room's interior is nice and comfy albeit a bit unbalanced.

 

Now what I'm looking for: An Allrounder, since I'm a moody person and tend to switch from Tom Waits to Converge and on to my FFVII-OST in a matter of minutes. (well, I can manage with a bit of a bassy tendency). More open soundstage and instrumental seperation, but it shouldn't get too analytical since I won't be using them for studio purposes or anything, just some good ol' listening fun. And overall just an uprgade to the good cans the AIAIAIs are.

 

Price Range: around 400$




Try to find a used Denon D5000. If you're a little prone to bassy headphones, but want a good all rounder...this series does an amazing job. As well as looking great, and being the most comfortable headphones ever.

I've been using my D7000 for anything from EDM to Folk and Classical...and I absolutely love it.


I read up on the Denon-Series and am quite impressed by it, they really seem like the phones I've been looking for. There are just a few questions I have:

 

1. amazon.co.uk is listing two different Denon AHD-5000 with a price difference of 75€. Are there any differences in the series I have to look out for or are they the same worldwide and the price listings are just because of bad productlabeling by amazon?

 

2. I could get the D2000 for 250€, the D5000 for 400€. Since I'm a student I'm always tight on money (and buying guitars on a whim doesn't helpt that either) so I am thinking of going for the D2000. But if the D5000 is just THAT much better, well...I could manage.

 

3. How much of a difference/improvement compared to the tma-1 (or my second cans the hd595, which...well are just plain boring to listen to) can I expect? I know that's a rather subjective question, but I ask anyway.

 

4. Will I be able to drive 'em probably with my Clip+ and FiiO E5? Or should I think of getting an amplifier next?

 

5. And last but not least: Will the Denons suit Prog/Post-Metal stuff like Tool, Oceansize or Opeth? Because that's probably where it would make the most difference for me.

 


Edited by bobohoro - 4/28/11 at 8:32am
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Some Ultrasones may be right up your ally as people seem to love them with electronic music.  If you want to go hog wild, a used Edition 8 will come in right at the very top of your budget.  I've heard it once but I don't remember much besides, 1) it had plenty of bass without being muddy, 2) looked cool as hell in person, 3) was easily driven by my Total Bithead,  and 4) even though I liked the sound the value proposition seemed a little questionable.  They don't have a detachable cable though.

 

For less than half the cost of the ED8s you could get an Ultrasone Pro 900.  I've never heard them but they are praised for their performance with electronic music.  They don't look near as cool as the ED8s but they do have a detachable cable.  They've got the same sensitivity and impedance as the ED8s so they shouldn't be hard to drive either.  I don't know the specs on your amp, but it should probably be fine since my Bithead isn't exactly know for its power.

 

EDIT:  I should probably also add that some people seem to making noises about Ultrasone's QC and North American customer support.  I don't know if these are valid concerns or not, but its something I'm looking into since I may soon be in the market for a high end set of closed 'phones like the Edition 8 for myself.


thanks for your reply! it doesn't look like there are a lot of closed headphones that fit my specs. after reading a bit on the open vs closed debate, i think i'll get much better value, comfort, and SQ if i get open ones. i'll just keep on using my IEM's at work smily_headphones1.gif

would you like to make more suggestions now?
Edited by fomoz - 4/28/11 at 9:20am
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Ideally, I'd like something with the clarity and dynamics of 880s, without the harsh sounding 'st' sound. I don't really like the Grados I listen to (basically everything from the SR 60is to the SR 325s) because of the excessive treble and lack of location of the people. Also everything felt extremely flat and not life like. That was the same issue I had with the Senn HD650 (along with it feeling super slow). I tried the Denon D2000s out as well and they weren't what I was looking for. Comfort is also an issue, in that I want my head to be cool. This whole sealing business is really frustrating since my head heats up really fast. I really liked the HD600, in comfort. It sounded heavenly as well, but the problem is, I don't listened to heavenly music. I've been listening to a lot of Isis, Tool, Converge, Ocean, Enslaved, Agalloch etc. I'm a metal/post-metal/post-rock/prog-rock guy so i'm really into the whole atmosphere the music creates and the Senns do a pretty good job maintaining that. 

 

Finally, I listen to vinyl and am afraid the 880s will show the hiss on the record. I'm also interested in building an amplifier for either of these headphones so suggestions for that would be helpful as well as any direction to another set of phones/amp combo. 

 

The 880s I listened to were the 250 version and my budget is below flagship models.


If heat is an issue, that pretty much rules out all full sized closed headphones. For you, I would actually lean towards some supraaural sets. A few to consider:

Phiaton MS300 - great midrange energy, dip in the highs

Beyer T50p - good detailing, slightly brighter sound

Senn PX 100-ii - fun sound, midbass emphasis, very comfortable

Senn PX 200-ii - less bassy than PX100, better detail

B&W P5 - very comfy, great isolation, laidback sound

Senn HD25-1-ii - good detail, great isolation, rugged

 

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thanks for your reply! it doesn't look like there are a lot of closed headphones that fit my specs. after reading a bit on the open vs closed debate, i think i'll get much better value, comfort, and SQ if i get open ones. i'll just keep on using my IEM's at work smily_headphones1.gif

would you like to make more suggestions now?


That's another hard question because there aren't a whole lot of open headphones that have the sort of deep bass I enjoy in my electronic music.  Closed phones are usually better at bass extension at the cost of a bit of accuracy.  If you didn't have such a large budget I wouldn't have anything to recommend at all.  Open 'phones I know of which do have deep bass are the HiFiMan HE series and the Audeze LCD-2.  None of them are very efficient though the LCD-2s is the winner in that category.  If these specs here are accurate your Voyager is probably way to weak for even the LCD-2 though so you'd need another amp.  People seem to be enjoying those 'phones with the Schiit Lyr lately but I haven't had a chance to hear the Lyr yet.

 

The Sennheiser HD800 goes quite deep as well but it didn't seem to have as much tactile impact or rumble as the 'phones listed above.  I don't remember reading about anyone using it for EDM though.  I thought it was best suited to large orchestral works due to it very large soundstage and tendency to enhance sibilance on tracks that aren't nearly perfectly mastered but other people seem to like it with other genres as well.  The only other open 'phone I can think of with significant bass is the Beyerdynamic DT990 but the SQ isn't in the same league as the rest of the 'phones I listed in this post.  Both of those will need a stronger amp then you currently have as well.

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I read up on the Denon-Series and am quite impressed by it, they really seem like the phones I've been looking for. There are just a few questions I have:

 

1. amazon.co.uk is listing two different Denon AHD-5000 with a price difference of 75€. Are there any differences in the series I have to look out for or are they the same worldwide and the price listings are just because of bad productlabeling by amazon?

 

2. I could get the D2000 for 250€, the D5000 for 400€. Since I'm a student I'm always tight on money (and buying guitars on a whim doesn't helpt that either) so I am thinking of going for the D2000. But if the D5000 is just THAT much better, well...I could manage.

 

3. How much of a difference/improvement compared to the tma-1 (or my second cans the hd595, which...well are just plain boring to listen to) can I expect? I know that's a rather subjective question, but I ask anyway.

 

4. Will I be able to drive 'em probably with my Clip+ and FiiO E5? Or should I think of getting an amplifier next?

 

5. And last but not least: Will the Denons suit Prog/Post-Metal stuff like Tool, Oceansize or Opeth? Because that's probably where it would make the most difference for me.

 


You COULD get the D2000 and mod it up with wood cups and new pads to change the sound. I haven't have the chance to A/B the 2000 and 5000, so I can't tell you if there's a big difference. Do some forum searching (I'm sure someone has). I know they use the same drivers (and the 7000 uses different ones), so I assume there's not the biggest difference ever.

Between the TMA-1 and the Denon you will see a huge difference. The TMA-1 is VERY dark. The Denon you'll hear more of stuff that's NOT bass. Not to say the Denons have no bass. They're absolute bass monsters. They're basically just a league above the TMA-1 (IMO). As for the 595...You'll get more bass than the 595. I haven't used them, but I can guarantee you'll hear that much. Just going from open to closed you may lose some soundstage, but Denons are known for having pretty large soundstage for closed headphones.

They will drive fine out of those (My D7000 sound pretty awesome out of my J3, and even my Clip+), but Denons are known for loving their power. They really benefit from amping. If you're looking for something to just upgrade your set up in general I'd say looking into getting a new DAC/Amp combo. For portable use I've been hearing amazing things about the XM 6. It's portable and it's a monster home DAC as well. Good solution for smaller budgets. I'm looking into getting one myself, actually once my bank recovers.

Can't speak for Oceansize and Opeth, but Tool is a favorite of mine. I listened to Undertow yesterday in fact, and I loved it with the fun Denon sound.
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That's another hard question because there aren't a whole lot of open headphones that have the sort of deep bass I enjoy in my electronic music.  Closed phones are usually better at bass extension at the cost of a bit of accuracy.  If you didn't have such a large budget I wouldn't have anything to recommend at all.  Open 'phones I know of which do have deep bass are the HiFiMan HE series and the Audeze LCD-2.  None of them are very efficient though the LCD-2s is the winner in that category.  If these specs here are accurate your Voyager is probably way to weak for even the LCD-2 though so you'd need another amp.  People seem to be enjoying those 'phones with the Schiit Lyr lately but I haven't had a chance to hear the Lyr yet.

 

The Sennheiser HD800 goes quite deep as well but it didn't seem to have as much tactile impact or rumble as the 'phones listed above.  I don't remember reading about anyone using it for EDM though.  I thought it was best suited to large orchestral works due to it very large soundstage and tendency to enhance sibilance on tracks that aren't nearly perfectly mastered but other people seem to like it with other genres as well.  The only other open 'phone I can think of with significant bass is the Beyerdynamic DT990 but the SQ isn't in the same league as the rest of the 'phones I listed in this post.  Both of those will need a stronger amp then you currently have as well.


Denon D7000. I listen to mainly EDM and they're bass monsters. For closed cans, they have a pretty amazing sound stage. They're also probably the most comfortable headphones in the world...and are easy to power.
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That's another hard question because there aren't a whole lot of open headphones that have the sort of deep bass I enjoy in my electronic music.  Closed phones are usually better at bass extension at the cost of a bit of accuracy.  If you didn't have such a large budget I wouldn't have anything to recommend at all.  Open 'phones I know of which do have deep bass are the HiFiMan HE series and the Audeze LCD-2.  None of them are very efficient though the LCD-2s is the winner in that category.  If these specs here are accurate your Voyager is probably way to weak for even the LCD-2 though so you'd need another amp.  People seem to be enjoying those 'phones with the Schiit Lyr lately but I haven't had a chance to hear the Lyr yet.

 

The Sennheiser HD800 goes quite deep as well but it didn't seem to have as much tactile impact or rumble as the 'phones listed above.  I don't remember reading about anyone using it for EDM though.  I thought it was best suited to large orchestral works due to it very large soundstage and tendency to enhance sibilance on tracks that aren't nearly perfectly mastered but other people seem to like it with other genres as well.  The only other open 'phone I can think of with significant bass is the Beyerdynamic DT990 but the SQ isn't in the same league as the rest of the 'phones I listed in this post.  Both of those will need a stronger amp then you currently have as well.


don't worry about my amp. if it's not enough, i'll use it until i get a full-size amp and that upgrade and anticipation will be fun in itself smily_headphones1.gif i've heard about the LCD-2 before, a lot of people are praising it as the best headphone they've ever heard... i like what i've read so far, but will it suit my preferences?
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That's another hard question because there aren't a whole lot of open headphones that have the sort of deep bass I enjoy in my electronic music.  Closed phones are usually better at bass extension at the cost of a bit of accuracy.  If you didn't have such a large budget I wouldn't have anything to recommend at all.  Open 'phones I know of which do have deep bass are the HiFiMan HE series and the Audeze LCD-2.  None of them are very efficient though the LCD-2s is the winner in that category.  If these specs here are accurate your Voyager is probably way to weak for even the LCD-2 though so you'd need another amp.  People seem to be enjoying those 'phones with the Schiit Lyr lately but I haven't had a chance to hear the Lyr yet.

 

The Sennheiser HD800 goes quite deep as well but it didn't seem to have as much tactile impact or rumble as the 'phones listed above.  I don't remember reading about anyone using it for EDM though.  I thought it was best suited to large orchestral works due to it very large soundstage and tendency to enhance sibilance on tracks that aren't nearly perfectly mastered but other people seem to like it with other genres as well.  The only other open 'phone I can think of with significant bass is the Beyerdynamic DT990 but the SQ isn't in the same league as the rest of the 'phones I listed in this post.  Both of those will need a stronger amp then you currently have as well.


Denon D7000. I listen to mainly EDM and they're bass monsters. For closed cans, they have a pretty amazing sound stage. They're also probably the most comfortable headphones in the world...and are easy to power.
do your ears get sweaty in them? i'm trying to avoid this most of all.
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That's another hard question because there aren't a whole lot of open headphones that have the sort of deep bass I enjoy in my electronic music.  Closed phones are usually better at bass extension at the cost of a bit of accuracy.  If you didn't have such a large budget I wouldn't have anything to recommend at all.  Open 'phones I know of which do have deep bass are the HiFiMan HE series and the Audeze LCD-2.  None of them are very efficient though the LCD-2s is the winner in that category.  If these specs here are accurate your Voyager is probably way to weak for even the LCD-2 though so you'd need another amp.  People seem to be enjoying those 'phones with the Schiit Lyr lately but I haven't had a chance to hear the Lyr yet.

 

The Sennheiser HD800 goes quite deep as well but it didn't seem to have as much tactile impact or rumble as the 'phones listed above.  I don't remember reading about anyone using it for EDM though.  I thought it was best suited to large orchestral works due to it very large soundstage and tendency to enhance sibilance on tracks that aren't nearly perfectly mastered but other people seem to like it with other genres as well.  The only other open 'phone I can think of with significant bass is the Beyerdynamic DT990 but the SQ isn't in the same league as the rest of the 'phones I listed in this post.  Both of those will need a stronger amp then you currently have as well.


Denon D7000. I listen to mainly EDM and they're bass monsters. For closed cans, they have a pretty amazing sound stage. They're also probably the most comfortable headphones in the world...and are easy to power.
do your ears get sweaty in them? i'm trying to avoid this most of all.

No actually. They don't clamp hard, and I've not had ear sweat in them once (here in Texas where it's already hitting 96 F). I think it's because of the low clamping force that they don't make me sweat.

Although, from what I've heard, if the stock pads make you sweat, the J Money leather ones are cooler on the head. Seems like voodoo to me though.
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btw can you please explain why you don't think the GL Voyager will be able to drive the LCD-2? from what i read, they're only 50 ohm :s
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btw can you please explain why you don't think the GL Voyager will be able to drive the LCD-2? from what i read, they're only 50 ohm :s
Ohms isn't everything. They're Orthodynamic headphones...Which means they're very hard to drive.
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