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I've done a ton of research, reading lots of reviews here, and on amazon. I already have a decent set of headphones: the jvc harx 700. I like them, but I don't 'love' them. 

 

They're fairly close to neutral, with a bit of extra bass, and a little bit of treble roll off. 

 

I'd like a second set of headphones which offer a bit more excitement and emotional involvement. I'm considering the grado sr60i's. Even with a pair of s cushions, the price is still south of $100, which is important to me. 

 

Based on the reviews, I'm sure I'll be getting great sound quality. However, I'm a bit concerned about comfort and the ability to use these for longer listening sessions. Will the s cushions be sufficient to allow me to listen for longer sessions?

 

Also, some reviewers complain that the sound can be fatiguing. I'm hoping that this criticism is limited to:

 

a. certain types of recordings only: ie sources which are very treble heavy

 

b. listening sessions at high volume.

 

Any feedback is appreciated, and let me know if I should post this in the grado thread as well. Thanks!

post #27542 of 29491

Got an email from mp4nation about the HM5's being on pre-sale (restock) for 99.5$.

I currently do not own full-size headphones and my only good pair is UE Triplefi 10.

My question is if I should jump on this sale..

I listen to a lot of generes from Psytrance to rock and classical music.

I really love hearing detailes when I'm listening to my songs.

Does the HM5 somehow compares in term of SQ to my TF10's?

And how does the HM5 compare to other full-sized headphones from other brands like: Senn 598, Shure 940, DT770/880/990 etc.

post #27543 of 29491
Hey, I just wondered if the audio technica m50 was still considered one of the best buys in that price range? I'm gonna be using it for music mostly, as the only games I ever play are games where soundstage(I'm using that term correctly right?) isn't very important, with a few exceptions.

As for the music, I like piano+vocals, rock(think Simon & Garfunkel or Paramore) and liquid/vocal dubstep. Really hard to satisfy all those needs I guess, but judging by a few hours of research, people seem to think that the m50 is a great allrounder.

Also, how come it costs god damn 200$ in every norwegian online store, but costs like 130$ on Amazon? and then like 180$ on amazon.uk  I've read it's supposed to be like 120$, so is m50 even worth it at almost 200$?(If I include shipping on amazon.uk it's almost 200)
post #27544 of 29491
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Originally Posted by ArdoR View Post

Hey, I just wondered if the audio technica m50 was still considered one of the best buys in that price range? I'm gonna be using it for music mostly, as the only games I ever play are games where soundstage(I'm using that term correctly right?) isn't very important, with a few exceptions.

As for the music, I like piano+vocals, rock(think Simon & Garfunkel or Paramore) and liquid/vocal dubstep. Really hard to satisfy all those needs I guess, but judging by a few hours of research, people seem to think that the m50 is a great allrounder.

Also, how come it costs god damn 200$ in every norwegian online store, but costs like 130$ on Amazon? and then like 180$ on amazon.uk  I've read it's supposed to be like 120$, so is m50 even worth it at almost 200$?(If I include shipping on amazon.uk it's almost 200)

 

Well, that depends on what else you can get in Norway for $200. The M50s are great at $100-120. (Btw, soundprofessionals are still selling them for $99 here in the states) It's less competitive once you go into the $150-200 range, because you can find the A900X in that range, as well as the MDR-1R, K167, refurbished Amperior's... a bunch of headphones that simply sound better (I'm only listing ones I've heard for myself, but there's more like the UE6000, Beyerdynamic COP, etc).

 

But that's in the US- all of those alternatives mentioned above actually retail around $200-$350, much more expensive than the M50. So the M50 still might be worth it depending on the prices of its competitors where you live.


Edited by viralcow - 4/20/13 at 8:08am
post #27545 of 29491

I've been using a pair of Noontec Zoros for my daily commute for about a year, and -while I like their overall sound signature- they don't provide much in the way of isolation, and they're constantly falling off my head when I move. Consequently, I've been looking for a decent, durable pair of circumaural cans that provide a fair amount of isolation, and have a reasonably balanced sound signature (although a little extra oomph in the bass wouldn't be such a bad thing).

 

I listen to mostly indie rock, with some electronic pop, folk, and classic rock thrown in for good measure. Ideally, they'd be driven directly from my phone (Lumia 920). Budget is somewhere around $300, although lower would probably be better given the amount of abuse my Zoros have taken. 

 

I'm not really a fan of the "Beats" styling of the Zoros, but I'd prefer whatever pair I settle on not to look ridiculous for public use.

 

(Also, since the Sony MDR-1R is so popular around here right now, I should note that I use a pair with my desktop rig and I LOVE them, but I figure I'd try something different, rather than just buying a second "expendable" pair.)

post #27546 of 29491
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Originally Posted by kamillog View Post

Hi! I'm looking for headphones in price range about 200$ (I can go for used ones too). Currently I lean towards Beyerdynamics COP, DT1350, T50p, Sennheiser HD 25 and AKG K550/701/702. Of all those mentioned I only listened to Custom One Pro with FiiO E11 and I must say I absolutely loved them (they even managed to change my mind buying headphones instead of IEMs smily_headphones1.gif) . I've got big head and COP fitted me good, while ATH M50 was a bit too small. I listen mostly to classic rock and sometimes hard rock and metal. My source is iPhone 4. I don't have any special preferences about how the sound is presented.

EDIT: I'd like  them to have good isolation, because I'll often be using them outside.


Especially unamped, the best new cans at $200 for rock to my ears are the Grado SR 225i.  However, they leak a ton and isolate not at all--so they are probably not for you.

 

In your case, I'd go with some refurbed Senn Amperiors, which you can get for about $167 when last I checked.

 

Caveat: you'll have to try each band/model of headphones for personal fit and comfort.  There really is not another good and reliable  option.

post #27547 of 29491
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Originally Posted by jaycee1 View Post

I've done a ton of research, reading lots of reviews here, and on amazon. I already have a decent set of headphones: the jvc harx 700. I like them, but I don't 'love' them. 

 

They're fairly close to neutral, with a bit of extra bass, and a little bit of treble roll off. 

 

I'd like a second set of headphones which offer a bit more excitement and emotional involvement. I'm considering the grado sr60i's. Even with a pair of s cushions, the price is still south of $100, which is important to me. 

 

Based on the reviews, I'm sure I'll be getting great sound quality. However, I'm a bit concerned about comfort and the ability to use these for longer listening sessions. Will the s cushions be sufficient to allow me to listen for longer sessions?

 

Also, some reviewers complain that the sound can be fatiguing. I'm hoping that this criticism is limited to:

 

a. certain types of recordings only: ie sources which are very treble heavy

 

b. listening sessions at high volume.

 

Any feedback is appreciated, and let me know if I should post this in the grado thread as well. Thanks!


Grados are great for rock, blues and traditional country.  But the Grado SR house "wall of sound" can be polarizing.  Some folks just don't like it.  Only a few, who otherwise like the Grado SR sound signature, find any can below the SR 325is to have fatiguing treble.  Listening at high volume for any significant period of time should make your ears and head hurt, regardless of which can you use.  Basically you need to listen to them and decide yourself.  However, if you do buy them, get the SR 80i or MS-1 instead.  They are a step up and still within your budget.

 

Many people find them to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pads used--while others think that the pads make a difference to them (some like each version).  I don't find Grados/Alessandros to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pad type.  Once again I’ll mention that headphone comfort is a very individual thing.  We can point you to headphones that are generally considered to be comfortable and mention others that have garnered complaints for being uncomfortable.  However, the only way to know for sure is to wear them yourself for a time equivalent to your longest listening session.

post #27548 of 29491
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Originally Posted by LiranV View Post

Got an email from mp4nation about the HM5's being on pre-sale (restock) for 99.5$.

I currently do not own full-size headphones and my only good pair is UE Triplefi 10.

My question is if I should jump on this sale..

I listen to a lot of generes from Psytrance to rock and classical music.

I really love hearing detailes when I'm listening to my songs.

Does the HM5 somehow compares in term of SQ to my TF10's?

And how does the HM5 compare to other full-sized headphones from other brands like: Senn 598, Shure 940, DT770/880/990 etc.


I have no idea what your IEM's sound like and most others here won't won't either--unless you tell us.

 

The HM5 is OK and a decent buy at around $100.  However, it does not stand up to better neutral and neutral-ish cans like the Senn HD 558, Shure SRH 940 and especially the Beyer DT 880.  The DT 990 and DT 770 are not in the neutral ballpark and therefore are very different.


Edited by KG Jag - 4/20/13 at 3:59pm
post #27549 of 29491
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


Grados are great for rock, blues and traditional country.  But the Grado SR house "wall of sound" can be polarizing.  Some folks just don't like it.  Only a few, who otherwise like the Grado SR sound signature, find any can below the SR 325is to have fatiguing treble.  Listening at high volume for any significant period of time should make your ears and head hurt, regardless of which can you use.  Basically you need to listen to them and decide yourself.  However, if you do buy them, get the SR 80i or MS-1 instead.  They are a step up and still within your budget.

 

Many people find them to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pads used--while others think that the pads make a difference to them (some like each version).  I don't find Grados/Alessandros to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pad type.  Once again I’ll mention that headphone comfort is a very individual thing.  We can point you to headphones that are generally considered to be comfortable and mention others that have garnered complaints for being uncomfortable.  However, the only way to know for sure is to wear them yourself for a time equivalent to your longest listening session.

 

Very interesting. Thank you for the great information!

 

My longest listening session would be the length of a movie (perhaps 3 hours tops, but usually less than 2). 

 

Now, what if I were to get igrado's. According to macworld, these have a bit more bass and a little less treble, since they fit differently (tighter on the ears):

 

http://www.macworld.com/article/1149657/grado_igrado.html

 

(In fact, the iGrado's bass is more pronounced than that of the SR-60, likely due to the former's tighter fit on your ears.) I also found that the iGrado's treble sounds a bit distant or "veiled" on certain tracks; but, again, I'm comparing the iGrado to very good headphones rather than to most "streetstyle" models.

 

I would be hesitant to get the 80's or ms1 unless they have less treble than the 60i's, based on your feedback. 

post #27550 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Crow T Robot View Post

I've been using a pair of Noontec Zoros for my daily commute for about a year, and -while I like their overall sound signature- they don't provide much in the way of isolation, and they're constantly falling off my head when I move. Consequently, I've been looking for a decent, durable pair of circumaural cans that provide a fair amount of isolation, and have a reasonably balanced sound signature (although a little extra oomph in the bass wouldn't be such a bad thing).

 

I listen to mostly indie rock, with some electronic pop, folk, and classic rock thrown in for good measure. Ideally, they'd be driven directly from my phone (Lumia 920). Budget is somewhere around $300, although lower would probably be better given the amount of abuse my Zoros have taken. 

 

I'm not really a fan of the "Beats" styling of the Zoros, but I'd prefer whatever pair I settle on not to look ridiculous for public use.

 

(Also, since the Sony MDR-1R is so popular around here right now, I should note that I use a pair with my desktop rig and I LOVE them, but I figure I'd try something different, rather than just buying a second "expendable" pair.)


If you can stand supraural (on-ear) headphones, you may also want to consider the predecessor of the Noontec Zoros on Tyll Hertsens's InnerFidelity Wall of Fame: the Philips Cityscape Downtown (SHL 5605).  The Downtown has excellent isolation.  It is considered very comfortable.  You can find it on amazon.com under $50 (well under, depending on color).


Edited by MarcoGV - 4/20/13 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


I have no idea what your IEM's sound like and most others here won't won't either--unless you tell us.

 

The HM5 is OK and a decent buy at around $100.  However, it does not stand up to better neutral and neutral-ish cans like the Senn HD 558, Shure SRH 940 and especially the Beyer DT 880.  The DT 990 and DT 770 are not in the neutral ballpark and therefore are very different.

This.

 

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Originally Posted by LiranV View Post

Got an email from mp4nation about the HM5's being on pre-sale (restock) for 99.5$.

I currently do not own full-size headphones and my only good pair is UE Triplefi 10.

My question is if I should jump on this sale..

I listen to a lot of generes from Psytrance to rock and classical music.

I really love hearing detailes when I'm listening to my songs.

Does the HM5 somehow compares in term of SQ to my TF10's?

And how does the HM5 compare to other full-sized headphones from other brands like: Senn 598, Shure 940, DT770/880/990 etc.

In terms of sheer technicalities? Difficult to compare. Mids are much, much, much more prominent on the HM5s in comparison. Notes are nowhere as lean and while depth is already impressive on the TF10s these aren't going to hold a candle to the Brainwavz. The TF10s aim for more of a perceptual sense of clarity but quickly run out of steam in terms of natural microdetailing when put against modern competition. 

 

Again full-sized vs IEMs in this case is really an apples vs giraffes sort of deal. Especially when you consider the disparity in signature.

post #27552 of 29491

Found this amazing graph
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Grados are great for rock, blues and traditional country.  But the Grado SR house "wall of sound" can be polarizing.  Some folks just don't like it.  Only a few, who otherwise like the Grado SR sound signature, find any can below the SR 325is to have fatiguing treble.  Listening at high volume for any significant period of time should make your ears and head hurt, regardless of which can you use.  Basically you need to listen to them and decide yourself.  However, if you do buy them, get the SR 80i or MS-1 instead.  They are a step up and still within your budget.

 

Many people find them to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pads used--while others think that the pads make a difference to them (some like each version).  I don't find Grados/Alessandros to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pad type.  Once again I’ll mention that headphone comfort is a very individual thing.  We can point you to headphones that are generally considered to be comfortable and mention others that have garnered complaints for being uncomfortable.  However, the only way to know for sure is to wear them yourself for a time equivalent to your longest listening session.

 

Very interesting. Thank you for the great information!

 

My longest listening session would be the length of a movie (perhaps 3 hours tops, but usually less than 2). 

 

Now, what if I were to get igrado's. According to macworld, these have a bit more bass and a little less treble, since they fit differently (tighter on the ears):

 

http://www.macworld.com/article/1149657/grado_igrado.html

 

(In fact, the iGrado's bass is more pronounced than that of the SR-60, likely due to the former's tighter fit on your ears.) I also found that the iGrado's treble sounds a bit distant or "veiled" on certain tracks; but, again, I'm comparing the iGrado to very good headphones rather than to most "streetstyle" models.

 

I would be hesitant to get the 80's or ms1 unless they have less treble than the 60i's, based on your feedback. 


The SR 80i have improved cable and tweaked diaphragms (Grado says that: "the diaphragms are put through a special 'de-stressing' process in order to enhance inner detail, the result of which gives a more open stage"--but I have yet to get a handle on what exactly is done).  The result is a bit more extension and detail over the 60i.  The MS-1 is even better and is often compared to upline SR 125i.

 

I have never heard the iGrados but am aware that they use the same drivers as the 60i.

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Grados are great for rock, blues and traditional country.  But the Grado SR house "wall of sound" can be polarizing.  Some folks just don't like it.  Only a few, who otherwise like the Grado SR sound signature, find any can below the SR 325is to have fatiguing treble.  Listening at high volume for any significant period of time should make your ears and head hurt, regardless of which can you use.  Basically you need to listen to them and decide yourself.  However, if you do buy them, get the SR 80i or MS-1 instead.  They are a step up and still within your budget.

 

Many people find them to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pads used--while others think that the pads make a difference to them (some like each version).  I don't find Grados/Alessandros to be uncomfortable, regardless of the pad type.  Once again I’ll mention that headphone comfort is a very individual thing.  We can point you to headphones that are generally considered to be comfortable and mention others that have garnered complaints for being uncomfortable.  However, the only way to know for sure is to wear them yourself for a time equivalent to your longest listening session.

 

Very interesting. Thank you for the great information!

 

My longest listening session would be the length of a movie (perhaps 3 hours tops, but usually less than 2). 

 

Now, what if I were to get igrado's. According to macworld, these have a bit more bass and a little less treble, since they fit differently (tighter on the ears):

 

http://www.macworld.com/article/1149657/grado_igrado.html

 

(In fact, the iGrado's bass is more pronounced than that of the SR-60, likely due to the former's tighter fit on your ears.) I also found that the iGrado's treble sounds a bit distant or "veiled" on certain tracks; but, again, I'm comparing the iGrado to very good headphones rather than to most "streetstyle" models.

 

I would be hesitant to get the 80's or ms1 unless they have less treble than the 60i's, based on your feedback. 


P.S.  Your MacWorld review is from late 2006.  The improved "i" versions of the Grado line were released in 2009.  See:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/616052/full-grado-labs-history

post #27555 of 29491

hello all, i have been re-directed to this thread, i am seeking a pair of headphones inbetween the $100-$150 range. i mainly listen to pop with a bit of hip-hop/dance/r&b but i also listen to dubstep occasionally.The only thing right now i know of is that a closed back would do better for my headphone..i do not know if i need an amp yet it all depends on the headphone i have heard, my previous headphones were skullcandy hesh and beats solo hd (yes, i fell victim) i want a new good sounding pair of headphone to fit perfectly for my music genre tastes. it doesn't have to look stylish as it only will be worn and listened to inside my house on a laptop, i will be using either deezer or actual cd's for the listening purposes. i hope i have given enough detail for an answer to be given to me. also is it true that for my music tastes a good treble is preferred? thanks a lot.

 

a few examples of artists/bands i listen to:

 

example, rita ora, cheryl, girls aloud, calvin harris, chris brown, nelly and wiley


Edited by nugget2013 - 4/21/13 at 3:12am
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