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post #25876 of 29491
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Originally Posted by gilliesjake View Post

Hi everybody,

 

I have hopefully a very simple question. I have a Digi 002 Rack Converter, which has a headphone amplifier which has a load of 150Ohms.

I have been looking for a good pair of closed head phones (for recording and mixing music) and have settled on the DT 770's mainly out of budget. 

A) I'm not sure whether to go with the 80Ohm or 250Ohm 770's. How far off the output load does the headphone impedance have to be before it distorts or damping happens easily? Which one would be better for a load of 150Ohms?

 

B) As I am also a guitarist so the mid's are relatively important as well, and thus am considering the 880's. How big is the difference between the DT 880 250Ohm and the DT 770 250Ohm? Also, is the spill from the 'semi closed' 880's dramatically more than the 770's? 

I'm sorry if the answers to these questions have already been answered in this thread somewhere, I am new to quality headphones and to head-fi and havent had much luck in-regards to the Digi 002. Thought it might be easier getting a direct response! 

Cheers!


That appears to be a question better placed in the Sound Science or in one of the headphone amp sections of the forum.

post #25877 of 29491
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That appears to be a question better placed in the Sound Science or in one of the headphone amp sections of the forum.

Ok Thanks for the directions KG!

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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


The Senn and Beyers are excellent neutral-ish cans that are also a top pick for all-arrounders.

 


Thanks for the reply ! So if i don't get more hints for others models, i will go for either DT-770 80ohms (i heard the 250 ohms version could work with the E6 amp but not at its best) or the HD 25-1 II.

 

Maybe one of them is better in terms of weights and size (the Senn) ? I will check some reviews while waiting for an answer =).

post #25879 of 29491

I'm slightly tempted at getting the Sennheiser Momentum. My main concerns for any headphone are noise and comfort and not sure if Momentum fits the criteria. Noise is my biggest problem especially when the music is quite or on pause, Want really good quiet headphones. 

 

The other options I have are AKG K551, Audio Techinca Quite point and M50, Sol Republic Ultra and Senns  HD 598.

post #25880 of 29491
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


The Senn and Beyers are excellent neutral-ish cans that are also a top pick for all-arrounders.

 


Thanks for the reply ! So if i don't get more hints for others models, i will go for either DT-770 80ohms (i heard the 250 ohms version could work with the E6 amp but not at its best) or the HD 25-1 II.

 

Maybe one of them is better in terms of weights and size (the Senn) ? I will check some reviews while waiting for an answer =).


For portable and on the go use, the Senn wins in a walk.

post #25881 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Arondight View Post

I'm slightly tempted at getting the Sennheiser Momentum. My main concerns for any headphone are noise and comfort and not sure if Momentum fits the criteria. Noise is my biggest problem especially when the music is quite or on pause, Want really good quiet headphones. 

 

The other options I have are AKG K551, Audio Techinca Quite point and M50, Sol Republic Ultra and Senns  HD 598.


From Tyll:

 

"To summarize: the Momentum is a very light and comfortable headphone, but they must be adjusted carefully, and your ears can't be too much larger than average size (70mm top to bottom is probably the max size ear for these headphones)."

 

and

 

"Isolation and Portability
The Momentum isolates from outside noise quite well and will serve city commuters reasonably well in loud environments. With about 22 Ohms impedance and very good efficiency, these headphones will play very well from portable devices."

 

Link:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-adult-sennheiser-momentum

 

I will only add in the context of hearing them (again) just hours ago at SxSW, I am not nearly as big a fan as Tyll is with regard to their sound signature.  To my ears the Amperior flat beats them.

post #25882 of 29491

I hope some of you may have some solid advise for me. The Netherlands offer no shops for me to go to and audition a bunch of headphones. If I purchase one, it will be sight unseen.

 

Here is my wish list.

 

- Over-ear, closed design (portable is a plus).

- Good passive isolation.

- Detachable cables. I destroy them.

- I listen to diverse styles, though the lion's share lies in the rock/progressive/metal range. Tool comes to mind, A Perfect Circle, Meshuggah, but also The Script, Maroon 5, 30 Seconds to Mars, Beastie Boys... Etc.

- The sound I am looking for has tight, punchy bass. I like the bass to have depth as well, though attack has my preference. Also, I enjoy neutral mids and sparkling highs, if that makes any sense.

- The most important feature perhaps, is detail. I want to be able to easily distinguish various instruments. This is called a "soundstage"?

- Budget up to 300 euros.

 

I own an ATH-M50. I find it has deep bass, but is a bit too flabby. Also the mids are too recessed for my tastes. I like the highs.

 

So far, I have had my eyes set on the Beyerdynamic DT770's or the Ultrasone Pro 750's, but I am far from being completely sold on them.

 

Thanks in advance!
 

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For portable and on the go use, the Senn wins in a walk.

 


Yeah i will buy the HD25, thanks everyone for the help !

post #25884 of 29491

I am looking for advice concerning a new purchase of some closed back headphones. The primary use will be in an office environment during the day, but they will also be used for travelling and possibly some late night gaming or film watching. I currently own a pair of Sennheiser HD 595 which are my current late night headphones and some Etymotic HF2 which I use out and about. I like both of them but the Senns are obviously useless in any sort of noisy environment and a bit shy on bass (I compensate for this with my AV amp when watching films or gaming), and the HF2s can get a little uncomfortable when used for long periods.

 

I listen to a range of music including country, rock (all sorts), blues, soul, funk, rap, hip-hop and drum and bass with a bit of classical. I don’t listen to jazz or many female vocalists (with the exception of vintage soul like Motown and Stax) and don’t really listen to any pop and no modern R&B (to me R&B is Dr. Feelgood, Tom Jones and Otis Redding). Some listening is done via high quality Spotify but a great deal is from my own rips which are all either 320kps MP3 or FLAC with the odd high resolution download. At work my source will be my laptop, but I am planning on buying a FiiO E17 or E07k to use as an external DAC and amp. Depending how they compare to my current Sennheisers I will also possibly use them at home for films and games.

 

I’ll say now I do love my bass, but only in a controlled way. In my home cinema setup I have a 500W Monolith+ sub, but it is well balanced in the system and not used to be a dominate the overall sound, rather just to add really well controlled low frequencies with plenty of punch. I tend to like listening to music as intended but when listening on the move I have been known to slightly boost bass and treble to suit and give a bit more of a “fun” sound. I don’t want bass for the sake of it though and wouldn’t want it to either dominate to the detriment of other frequencies or come at a cost (too boomy or too slow). One thing I do appreciate is a decent soundstage.

 

Having spent the last couple of weeks looking at a lot of reviews online and reading a lot on here I have narrowed it down to a few choices and would really appreciate any input. Here is my list with a summary from what I can gleam on here, and UK prices.

 

Sennheiser HD 25-1 II - £140 – completely rebuildable and would appear to have a fun sound with a punchy bass. Most portable of my shortlist, but on ear and with a small soundstage so not great for some of my genres or all day listening.

 

Audio-Technica ATH-M50S - £125 – very well regarded and frequently recommended. A bigger soundstage than the Sennheiser with a good all round sound but can be uncomfortable for all day listening.

 

AKG K 550 - £150 – I think these look superb, but they are large so the least portable (but do rotate so are transportable). Huge soundstage and super comfy but a solid seal is really important, I have a relatively large head so hope they would fit well. A very accurate sound though some report having issues with a treble spike and a possibly weak bass (though reposts vary on this).

 

Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 - £130 – soundstage second only to the AKGs but still very good. Comfortable for long session, though can get hot. Mids are a bit recessed and require a long burn in but have a more balanced sound once done.

 

Price wise there is very little in it, though some came out at a considerably higher cost originally, with a lot of the (very good) reviews for the AKGs being written when they cost nearly twice as much. My gut is leaning me away from the Sennheiser as I do want them to be comfortable for all day listening and I do want a decent soundstage. Out of the remaining 3 the AKG and Beyeres are currently highest in my list.

 

A few direct questions…

 

When people talk about the AKGs lacking bass (even after getting a good seal) is this something that can be compensated for at all in EQ? Is it just that they are well balanced when run without any EQ, and that even with a slight boost from an amp or software are they still lacking energy or depth?

 

Compared to the Beyers is the soundstage of the AKGs that much bigger and are they cleaner and more accurate generally? Are they that much more “fun”?

 

I don’t intend to blast my ears all day, but sometimes I do like to pump up the volume. How do these all fair when driven harder?

 

If I am going to be using an amp (portable one at that) what are the advantages (and disadvantages) to the 250ohm Beyers over the 80ohms?

 

Generally speaking, how easy/hard is it to compensate for a particular headphones weaknesses at certain frequencies with a bit of EQ?

 

Over the last few days I keep flitting between the AKGs and Beyers. I’m sure both will sound great but would really appreciate any input into my comparisons. Obviously there are higher quality phones available, but my budget is set at this time and so comments relative to what they will cost me, not what the original retail price are what I am after.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

post #25885 of 29491

MDR 1R or Philips Fidelio L1 or M80s or UE6000 (dont want the senn momentum or m100)

 

Please Help, i need to choose quickly.

My favorite genres include: R&B, small amount of rap, jrock/pop, a little classical.

I will be using these on the train and bus, so portability and isolation are priorities.

Im just wondering if i should save up for the MDR 1R or settle for the Fidelio L1.  It doesn't really seem like the others even have a chance, but whatever.

 

Decision must be made within 2 days and i have $250.

 

Thanks in Advance!

post #25886 of 29491

thanks guys but you did not tell me which usb dac and amp I should buy to power the HE500 from my pc.

 

thanks in advance

Dan

post #25887 of 29491
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Originally Posted by danielghofrani View Post

thanks guys but you did not tell me which usb dac and amp I should buy to power the HE500 from my pc.

 

thanks in advance

Dan

 

You can pick this as your amp, and this for the usb-dac

post #25888 of 29491
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Originally Posted by danielghofrani View Post

thanks guys but you did not tell me which usb dac and amp I should buy to power the HE500 from my pc.

 

thanks in advance

Dan


I don't use a DAC.  You should go to the HE-500 appreciation thread or to the amp sections of the forum for the best advice on that.

 

There are a number of amps that sound good with the HE-500, like the EF-5 and others.  To some degree picking an amp is a matter of taste and preference.

post #25889 of 29491
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post


So theoretically, I agree with you absolutely... 100%. But here's the thing: Unless you have a dedicated listening room that you can outfit exactly as you see best fit, you have a much better chance of BETTER creating such an ideal space via headphones and various ancillaries including crossfeed. That's how I've come to head audiophilia. At first I didn't get it but then somewhere along the way the light bulb went on. I can come much closer to creating my ideal in every respect in head-fi. And not only that, I can have it be fairly portable to boot!

 

 

 

Thats true, headphones are far simples, but still they will never achieve the soundstage of speakers. Even in a not so perfect setup. I mean, my speaker setup is far from perfect, speakers are not far enough from walls and corners, room is not in any way modified to be more suited acoustically, in fact left speaker is next to a big window, speakers stands are home made (30kg heavy mind you, but just welded steel, not "engineered for acoustic performance" in any way) etc. And still, just by simply making a triangle with the speakers, where you are approximately equally distanced from both speakers, creates a great feeling of soundstage and depth.  Even with some really cheap speakers.

 

True, you will get better detail, tonality, less destortion, better frequency balance, cleaner sound with headphones if you compare them with equally priced speakers up to about 700-800 dollars. But above that, speakers just chew headphones up and spit them out, in all aspects of sound.

 

 

By the way, what kind of crossfeed are you using? I've tried various plug ins for Foobar, but never go the settings to sound right.

post #25890 of 29491
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Originally Posted by LDonnie View Post

I hope some of you may have some solid advise for me. The Netherlands offer no shops for me to go to and audition a bunch of headphones. If I purchase one, it will be sight unseen.

 

Here is my wish list.

 

- Over-ear, closed design (portable is a plus).

- Good passive isolation.

- Detachable cables. I destroy them.

- I listen to diverse styles, though the lion's share lies in the rock/progressive/metal range. Tool comes to mind, A Perfect Circle, Meshuggah, but also The Script, Maroon 5, 30 Seconds to Mars, Beastie Boys... Etc.

- The sound I am looking for has tight, punchy bass. I like the bass to have depth as well, though attack has my preference. Also, I enjoy neutral mids and sparkling highs, if that makes any sense.

- The most important feature perhaps, is detail. I want to be able to easily distinguish various instruments. This is called a "soundstage"?

- Budget up to 300 euros.

 

I own an ATH-M50. I find it has deep bass, but is a bit too flabby. Also the mids are too recessed for my tastes. I like the highs.

 

So far, I have had my eyes set on the Beyerdynamic DT770's or the Ultrasone Pro 750's, but I am far from being completely sold on them.

 

Thanks in advance!
 


You're looking in the wrong place.  You should be looking at the Beyer DT 880 (+/- Pro) 250 Ohms or higher.

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