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post #25816 of 29491
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Originally Posted by viralcow View Post

So you don't like beats... but at the same time it's completely impractical to lug around full-sized open headphones which also come with like 10ft cables, not to mention leak sound and are pretty fragile.

There are other over-ear, closed options that sound better than beats like the Sennheiser Momentums, UE6000s, or Sony MDR-1R's.

I asked what other options there were when you said those were all open. And i think 2 of those have detatchable cables an com with a 3.5 ft cable and a 10 ft.
post #25817 of 29491
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Originally Posted by BK201 View Post

Hey guys

Looking for a decent closed back headphone.

My current headphones are the Sennheiser HD600 and Etymotic Research ER-4P (with S cable).

I want something slightly bassy (more bass than what I currently have), with a good soundstage. I don't want something bright sounding. I've tried the DT770 and I didn't like it.

I'm thinking about the A900X, any alternatives?

 

What didn't you like about the DT770?

post #25818 of 29491
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

 

What didn't you like about the DT770?


It sounded a bit harsh and sibilant to my ears. I also have this problem with my dad's old worn out MDR-V6 that I never use.

post #25819 of 29491

Hi Head fiers.  First time looking to buy headphones somewhere other than a drug store with pocket change.

 

I'm used to loudspeakers and pretty sure I'll be disappointed in some way with any closed sealed headphone I buy, and yet a closed sealed over ear headphone is what I want. I want something neutral with good isolation and comfortable.

 

As far as neutral, to compare to loudspeakers I very much appreciate good three-ways with 15 inch woofers that are ready and able to produce clean controlled power, ALL the way down, when asked to.  I just don't want bass rumbling around muddying up the mids with stuffy boomy boxiness making it hard to interpret the main plot and giving me headache.  I like clarity and definitely appreciate a detailed sound stage with good imaging.  If treble is in the source, I want to hear it too and I do have trouble getting used to the resonances and dips in headphones and will consider equalizing if they aren't too peaked.  I don't mind hearing the air go through a vocalists' toungue if it's soft and in balance. It adds intimacy if that makes sense. 

 

I will mostly be using these to watch TV and movies actually, but you could say I'm more interested in their musical ability.  Also in both cases I think I like the same things, clean capable deep bass, but I don't want even a hint of it confusing the mids. Maybe in movies that's more directly irritating since it makes it harder to understand the dialogue. As for music I like anything instrumental or vocal, classical, blues, jazz, also classic rock and country though.  

 

The isolation is primarily to give me my own space sometimes, drown out the noises and other TV without cranking up the volume.  I do travel on long plane flights sometimes though and it could be good for that too.  I've been using iems for that purpose recently but don't love something in my ear.

 

So I've read a good bit here and elsewhere and have these ideas:

Koss PRODJ100

Shure440

ATH M50 (white box of course, now)

KRK KNS6400

 

Where I live I've had trouble finding a place to audition them all. At least the Koss probably don't exists locally as there are only a couple of online sources even and they are drop-ship imported.  There are amazon stores that will ship any though.  Let's say price isn't an issue between any of these except maybe slightly the 6400 if all else is the same anyway.  To get the DJ100's here I either have to do creative shipping or pay 70 instead of 50 in the first place, 80 with tax and delivery.  That's fine. Add finding pads and getting them here if I decide to add m50 pads, and then those are looking well over a hundred and in line kind of with everything else on the list.  

 

So many here like the PRODJ100's recently.  My main concern is the isolation and ear fit on those and a little the hassle of getting M50 pads to improve that, and even still, the isolation.  I like the look and the metal construction. With the shure's and kns6400 I'm concerned that the deep bass really isn't available.  I might like the 8400's but that's getting to a price where I'd like to be more sure.

 

I haven't seen a good review of the white box M50.  It looks like they have good isolation. I did see tdockweiler comment that he thought the white box ones are good at $120.  Most of the negative reviews recently of m50's are because of the reduced bass and the price being 150.  The price isn't 150 now and the reduced bass is the only reason I'm now considering them at all as they were previously considered truly bass heavy which I probably don't like.  I am concerned about the soundstage on the m50's but I just haven't found a good review of the sound quality of the new ones.  I'm a bit puzzled by the stark 180 in popularity when the only concrete changes listed, price and bass, have gotten better from what I can tell (the bass is probably worse to those who used to like them though). So when people say the soundstage isn't good I think relative to what?  Relative to something else on this list or relative to HD650 in the general spirit of not liking m50 now days?

 

I am a little tempted by the UE6000's at a higher price which have the advantage on air planes with noise cancellation (maybe the reason they get little attention here?).  Tyll Hertens seems to like them in his review and didn't seem to make a big deal of them being bass heavy in spite of how their graphs look.  Again though, hard to go up to that price if they're iffy.  

 

I think only the shures and KRK's available locally (easily returnable) AND at a fair price.

 

I keep coming back to the DJ100 to get started with.  Give me a reason to say, yep, that's great choice to start on for my wishes or why one of the others sounds better for me.  Thanks.  Oh and I do have a really big head, and my ears proportional (but just proportional).

post #25820 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Don Tonberry View Post

I need some recommendations on headphones in the <$80 range but I may make that range <$100 I listen mainly to Rock, metal, classical, and instrumental music. I might use them for a little bit of audio mixing or gaming so maybe a decent soundstage would be nice. I like a good flat response. I really liked my JVC flats because of that kind of sound. Portability might factor into this since I'll probably be wearing them everyday. I have been looking at JVC HARX700, JVC HAS-400 Monoprice 8323, Beyerdynamic DT235, CAL!, and the Koss Pro DJ 100.

 

Does anyone have experience with these headphones? I tried out the Pro DJ 100 and thought they were pretty good but I have no experience with the other headphones. Also what's the best way to connect headphones to my Xbox so that I can get the headset sound and game sound through them?
Edited by Don Tonberry - 3/9/13 at 7:35pm
post #25821 of 29491
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Originally Posted by BiggerHead View Post


 

So when people say the soundstage isn't good I think relative to what?  Relative to something else on this list or relative to HD650 in the general spirit of not liking m50 now days?

 

I am a little tempted by the UE6000's at a higher price which have the advantage on air planes with noise cancellation (maybe the reason they get little attention here?).  Tyll Hertens seems to like them in his review and didn't seem to make a big deal of them being bass heavy in spite of how their graphs look.  Again though, hard to go up to that price if they're iffy.  

 

 

If you're used to speakers, run away from headphones that have a reputation for having bad soundstage even amongst people who are used to headphones, they wont be listenable for you most likely. The reality is, even the best headphones have crap soundstage compared to mediocre entry level bookshelfs. My $500 KEF Q300's blow the AKG K701 out of the water when it comes to soundstage. In fact, even my plastic Philips $150 mini hifi system blows them away in that regard.  That's just how it is. Its one thing that headphones will never do as good as speakers, soundstage.  You will never ever get a strong central image. You will get a slight feeling of depth and soundstage with the best headphones only.

 

As far as UE6000's go, they're about 3 leagues above the others you've listed, and one of the best closed headphones out there.

post #25822 of 29491
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

First, let me aplaude you for wanting to get educated instead of just following what all of your fellow high school students are doing and just buying Beats. Second, let's define what you're looking for. It sounds like you want a full cup, closed-back can can with good isolation and is efficient so it can used without an amp on portable devices. Sounds like you also want some emphasis put on lower frequencies as well because you like a little more color on your bass. All of that and around $200. Correct so far?

Sorry, didnt see your post earlier. You are right but i am not opposed to getting an amp, but if i am going to get one, then the price of the headphones goes down almost 30 (FiiO e6 is 28 on Mazon and seems like the best deal for a portable one). I have been told the DT770's are good, but was told to get the 80ohms pro version which is too much and not sure about the 250ohms which are 180 which isnt very appealing. IDK why but i like sennheiser and am a little more willing to spend on them, my hd428's have made me like them, value is amazing (got them for 50 before christmas, newegg has them for 37 now, and just did the bass mod literally minutes ago and it helped but the cups are still on the small side and less comfortable than i want)

Sound profile should be very close to these 428's, just a little more bass. Part of why i want an amp is to control the eq better and more volume too, will most likely buy it before new headphones to see, but will probs buy headphones regardless, should be able to sell these easilly to friends at school (the few that tried all loved them)
Edited by jonnyp11 - 3/9/13 at 8:07pm
post #25823 of 29491
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Originally Posted by BiggerHead View Post

Hi Head fiers.  First time looking to buy headphones somewhere other than a drug store with pocket change.

 

I'm used to loudspeakers and pretty sure I'll be disappointed in some way with any closed sealed headphone I buy, and yet a closed sealed over ear headphone is what I want. I want something neutral with good isolation and comfortable.

 

As far as neutral, to compare to loudspeakers I very much appreciate good three-ways with 15 inch woofers that are ready and able to produce clean controlled power, ALL the way down, when asked to.  I just don't want bass rumbling around muddying up the mids with stuffy boomy boxiness making it hard to interpret the main plot and giving me headache.  I like clarity and definitely appreciate a detailed sound stage with good imaging.  If treble is in the source, I want to hear it too and I do have trouble getting used to the resonances and dips in headphones and will consider equalizing if they aren't too peaked.  I don't mind hearing the air go through a vocalists' toungue if it's soft and in balance. It adds intimacy if that makes sense. 

 

I will mostly be using these to watch TV and movies actually, but you could say I'm more interested in their musical ability.  Also in both cases I think I like the same things, clean capable deep bass, but I don't want even a hint of it confusing the mids. Maybe in movies that's more directly irritating since it makes it harder to understand the dialogue. As for music I like anything instrumental or vocal, classical, blues, jazz, also classic rock and country though.  

 

The isolation is primarily to give me my own space sometimes, drown out the noises and other TV without cranking up the volume.  I do travel on long plane flights sometimes though and it could be good for that too.  I've been using iems for that purpose recently but don't love something in my ear.

 

So I've read a good bit here and elsewhere and have these ideas:

Koss PRODJ100

Shure440

ATH M50 (white box of course, now)

KRK KNS6400

 

Where I live I've had trouble finding a place to audition them all. At least the Koss probably don't exists locally as there are only a couple of online sources even and they are drop-ship imported.  There are amazon stores that will ship any though.  Let's say price isn't an issue between any of these except maybe slightly the 6400 if all else is the same anyway.  To get the DJ100's here I either have to do creative shipping or pay 70 instead of 50 in the first place, 80 with tax and delivery.  That's fine. Add finding pads and getting them here if I decide to add m50 pads, and then those are looking well over a hundred and in line kind of with everything else on the list.  

 

So many here like the PRODJ100's recently.  My main concern is the isolation and ear fit on those and a little the hassle of getting M50 pads to improve that, and even still, the isolation.  I like the look and the metal construction. With the shure's and kns6400 I'm concerned that the deep bass really isn't available.  I might like the 8400's but that's getting to a price where I'd like to be more sure.

 

I haven't seen a good review of the white box M50.  It looks like they have good isolation. I did see tdockweiler comment that he thought the white box ones are good at $120.  Most of the negative reviews recently of m50's are because of the reduced bass and the price being 150.  The price isn't 150 now and the reduced bass is the only reason I'm now considering them at all as they were previously considered truly bass heavy which I probably don't like.  I am concerned about the soundstage on the m50's but I just haven't found a good review of the sound quality of the new ones.  I'm a bit puzzled by the stark 180 in popularity when the only concrete changes listed, price and bass, have gotten better from what I can tell (the bass is probably worse to those who used to like them though). So when people say the soundstage isn't good I think relative to what?  Relative to something else on this list or relative to HD650 in the general spirit of not liking m50 now days?

 

I am a little tempted by the UE6000's at a higher price which have the advantage on air planes with noise cancellation (maybe the reason they get little attention here?).  Tyll Hertens seems to like them in his review and didn't seem to make a big deal of them being bass heavy in spite of how their graphs look.  Again though, hard to go up to that price if they're iffy.  

 

I think only the shures and KRK's available locally (easily returnable) AND at a fair price.

 

I keep coming back to the DJ100 to get started with.  Give me a reason to say, yep, that's great choice to start on for my wishes or why one of the others sounds better for me.  Thanks.  Oh and I do have a really big head, and my ears proportional (but just proportional).


That's a very long post.  Unless I missed it, you did not say what would powering these cans and whether or not you'd be using an amp.  If no amp, you probably won't be happy with the Koss, especially on a plane.

 

Also none of these cans are going to give you the same frequency response, not to mention sound stage, of the speakers you referenced.  You'll have pay a great deal more for that in a can.

post #25824 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Don Tonberry View Post

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Originally Posted by Don Tonberry View Post

I need some recommendations on headphones in the <$80 range but I may make that range <$100 I listen mainly to Rock, metal, classical, and instrumental music. I might use them for a little bit of audio mixing or gaming so maybe a decent soundstage would be nice. I like a good flat response. I really liked my JVC flats because of that kind of sound. Portability might factor into this since I'll probably be wearing them everyday. I have been looking at JVC HARX700, JVC HAS-400 Monoprice 8323, Beyerdynamic DT235, CAL!, and the Koss Pro DJ 100.

 

Does anyone have experience with these headphones? I tried out the Pro DJ 100 and thought they were pretty good but I have no experience with the other headphones. Also what's the best way to connect headphones to my Xbox so that I can get the headset sound and game sound through them?


The CAL! is a great can.  While it is balanced it is not exactly neutral.  For a flat response and mixing, the KRK KNS 6400 are probably better.

 

Have not clue about your XBox, but that is not what this thread or even this section of the forum covers.

post #25825 of 29491
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Originally Posted by jonnyp11 View Post

Dont want multiple sets, want good sound, and dont like in-ear or on-ear. I know people who walk around with beats executives or something like that on, and this is highschool. Half the school has the 200 buck beats solos or whatever around their kneck all day

V-Moda M80 maybe? I know if I were in high school I'd have thought them much cooler looking and they definitely sound more balanced than Beats though still bassy.
post #25826 of 29491
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post

V-Moda M80 maybe? I know if I were in high school I'd have thought them much cooler looking and they definitely sound more balanced than Beats though still bassy.

Remembered seeing the name on here but never looked at them, looked like over styled, under performing kind of headphones. Looked at them and there's no way the m80's cans are big enough, but the Crossfade LP and LP2's look pretty good. Current list:

V-MODA crossfade LP
V-MODA crossfade LP2
Beyerdynamic DT 770 250ohm (80 is 50 more)
post #25827 of 29491
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Originally Posted by jonnyp11 View Post

Sorry, didnt see your post earlier. You are right but i am not opposed to getting an amp, but if i am going to get one, then the price of the headphones goes down almost 30 (FiiO e6 is 28 on Mazon and seems like the best deal for a portable one). I have been told the DT770's are good, but was told to get the 80ohms pro version which is too much and not sure about the 250ohms which are 180 which isnt very appealing. IDK why but i like sennheiser and am a little more willing to spend on them, my hd428's have made me like them, value is amazing (got them for 50 before christmas, newegg has them for 37 now, and just did the bass mod literally minutes ago and it helped but the cups are still on the small side and less comfortable than i want)

Sound profile should be very close to these 428's, just a little more bass. Part of why i want an amp is to control the eq better and more volume too, will most likely buy it before new headphones to see, but will probs buy headphones regardless, should be able to sell these easilly to friends at school (the few that tried all loved them)

I'm a fan of going with an efficient can if you're serious about being portable. You might like the 32ohm version of the DT770 32ohm and you can find it used for $200. I own the 80ohm version and it sounds ok unamped, although I do use an amp on it.. The V-Moda M80 may also meet the signature you want. It's on-ear, but it's a large on-ear cup. There's also the UE 6000 which I haven't used extensively, but they do sounds good and are well praised right now.
post #25828 of 29491

You will never ever get a strong central image.

 

I would have to disagree. If you have good crossfeed circuitry, you can very well get a strong central image and a speaker like presentation. Why do you think that amps such as the Phonitor are so successful?

post #25829 of 29491
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

I'm a fan of going with an efficient can if you're serious about being portable. You might like the 32ohm version of the DT770 32ohm and you can find it used for $200. I own the 80ohm version and it sounds ok unamped, although I do use an amp on it.. The V-Moda M80 may also meet the signature you want. It's on-ear, but it's a large on-ear cup. There's also the UE 6000 which I haven't used extensively, but they do sounds good and are well praised right now.

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Originally Posted by jonnyp11 View Post

Remembered seeing the name on here but never looked at them, looked like over styled, under performing kind of headphones. Looked at them and there's no way the m80's cans are big enough, but the Crossfade LP and LP2's look pretty good. Current list:

V-MODA crossfade LP
V-MODA crossfade LP2
Beyerdynamic DT 770 250ohm (80 is 50 more)

I really try to avoid used
post #25830 of 29491
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Audio Technica M50 as well.
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