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post #25546 of 29491

It's the on ear version of the xb500, I  would prefer the regular full size version i.e the xb500.

post #25547 of 29491
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

It's the on ear version of the xb500, I  would prefer the regular full size version i.e the xb500.

I see. it is tempting for 40 bucks. My friends bought 10 and want to flip them in ebay.
post #25548 of 29491
I have too little comparison, but as a casual listener, I could say that the xb500's are good headphones if you like a lot of bass. They are really easily driven,sound very warm and are super comfortable... smily_headphones1.gif Be aware that it WILL cut off a lot of the higher frequencies and overpronounce the lower mids. You can eq that, atleast to some extent, though.
post #25549 of 29491

Hey guys I was hoping I could get some more opinions, I have tried the he-400's, the 650's, 555's, the m100's and the m50s to name a few. To me the most important thing about music is the singer, one thing I really liked about the 650's was how good the instruments sounded but I felt like the singer was being overshadowed.

I am looking for a sound signature that emphasizes the voice of the singer and makes it sound forward and detailed. l I believe this is called the treble region don't quote me on that as I don't know the full difference between the treble and upper mids. Other things that are important to me are instrument separation and sound stage and the instruments themselves I really like the way they sounded on the hd-650.

Budget wise I can go up to 500 but its slightly flexible, and it doesn't matter to me if its and open or closed can.I want them to sound fun and not overly analytical as I am not looking for a neutral sound. I listen to alot of different genres of rock, Sinatra, and guitar heavy songs. Basically the only recommendation I have gotten is grado so should I just stick with those?

post #25550 of 29491
Okay, it's finally time to upgrade my aging HD280 Pro's.

I've been doing research (if you can call it that, without actually listening to anything) for the last 3 months. I'm currently using some Sennheiser HD 280 pros and they're getting *very* tatty now (had them about 9 years). They're 'okay', but I think I can do a lot better this time around.
I'm looking for some desktop replacements (not portable at all). Presently, I'm powering the HD280's off my onboard sound card (1366 board) so lets just assume its crap as. I had anticipated getting a Xonar DG or something similar, as it doesn't seem very expensive.

What I want the headphones for is music and gaming mostly. I play BF3 (FPS mostly) and metal/rock (Tool, APC, Marilyn Manson that sort of stuff) and from what I've read over the past few months suggest that the HE 400 would be the way to go. I have also been reccomended the Ultrasone Pro 900's, which are about $100 cheaper from Amazon, however I've read about a lot of people taking them back and mentioning they're not that great for metal etc. Given that these headphones are going to last me a long time it's probably better I spend the extra, but obviously I'd like to save money as well.
I've also read that if I do go down the HE400 path that the Xonar DG will probably not do and I will want to get an STX (or something else entirely) at a minimum. What do you guys think about that?

Now, this is probably a silly question but how do the higher class headphones really perform in comparison to something like the AD700 (which can be had for about $110 AU delivered)? Obviously they're in a completely different class, but I'm no audiophile...
post #25551 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post

Hey guys I was hoping I could get some more opinions, I have tried the he-400's, the 650's, 555's, the m100's and the m50s to name a few. To me the most important thing about music is the singer, one thing I really liked about the 650's was how good the instruments sounded but I felt like the singer was being overshadowed.


I am looking for a sound signature that emphasizes the voice of the singer and makes it sound forward and detailed. l I believe this is called the treble region don't quote me on that as I don't know the full difference between the treble and upper mids. Other things that are important to me are instrument separation and sound stage and the instruments themselves I really like the way they sounded on the hd-650.


Budget wise I can go up to 500 but its slightly flexible, and it doesn't matter to me if its and open or closed can.I want them to sound fun and not overly analytical as I am not looking for a neutral sound. I listen to alot of different genres of rock, Sinatra, and guitar heavy songs. Basically the only recommendation I have gotten is grado so should I just stick with those?
Honestly, I would stick with your gut on the HD 650 and just EQ the vocals until you have it dialed to your taste. smily_headphones1.gif
post #25552 of 29491

Sennheiser HD419s for $40 or HD439s for $60?

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Originally Posted by mrjimyjohn View Post

Sennheiser HD419s for $40 or HD439s for $60?

 

The 428/29 is very close to the 439, here's my take on the whole 400 series. The 439 is a tad more refined then the 428/9 but have the same tonal balance!!

For the 400 series it goes like this:

The 419 are the Darkest sounding (Warmest) Most Bass, Sound sig reminds me of the PX100.  Great comfort-Velour pads!!

The 439-Is more Mid Focal (Slightly Warm) Bass is about equal to the 419 in impact but it's a better texture/decay.  Same Great Comfort-Velour pads

The 449 is more Treble Focal (Luke Warm) The less Bass of the bunch but the Mid & Treble detail is the best of the bunch, Soundstage as well. It's Wider and has more Depth.  Treble can be hot on some tracks, at least to me.  Same Great Comfort-Cheap fake leather pads, Can be changed to the 419/439 velour.

 

The sweet spot really is the 439, It has a better balance, Stock velours, and Removable cables, One 4ft, One 10ft.

If the 449 was priced better it might be the better buy, But coming in at around $120 you can get a Refurb 518 for $70 or a Refurb 558 for $110-120.  And both of the phones are way ahead sound wise.

 So it really depends on what you want, Darker 419, or the same Bass but a " Cleaner sound" 439.

Refurb 439's are going for $50 here in the US and the 419's have been selling in the $30 range!!!

post #25554 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Magicman74 View Post

 

The 428/29 is very close to the 439, here's my take on the whole 400 series. The 439 is a tad more refined then the 428/9 but have the same tonal balance!!

For the 400 series it goes like this:

The 419 are the Darkest sounding (Warmest) Most Bass, Sound sig reminds me of the PX100.  Great comfort-Velour pads!!

The 439-Is more Mid Focal (Slightly Warm) Bass is about equal to the 419 in impact but it's a better texture/decay.  Same Great Comfort-Velour pads

The 449 is more Treble Focal (Luke Warm) The less Bass of the bunch but the Mid & Treble detail is the best of the bunch, Soundstage as well. It's Wider and has more Depth.  Treble can be hot on some tracks, at least to me.  Same Great Comfort-Cheap fake leather pads, Can be changed to the 419/439 velour.

 

The sweet spot really is the 439, It has a better balance, Stock velours, and Removable cables, One 4ft, One 10ft.

If the 449 was priced better it might be the better buy, But coming in at around $120 you can get a Refurb 518 for $70 or a Refurb 558 for $110-120.  And both of the phones are way ahead sound wise.

 So it really depends on what you want, Darker 419, or the same Bass but a " Cleaner sound" 439.

Refurb 439's are going for $50 here in the US and the 419's have been selling in the $30 range!!!

Thanks a lot for the input man! I'll definitely go with the 439s. The only other similar senns I have owned were the HD201s, if you have tried those, how do they compare in comfort to the 400 series?

post #25555 of 29491
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Originally Posted by WallySimmonds View Post

Okay, it's finally time to upgrade my aging HD280 Pro's.

I've been doing research (if you can call it that, without actually listening to anything) for the last 3 months. I'm currently using some Sennheiser HD 280 pros and they're getting *very* tatty now (had them about 9 years). They're 'okay', but I think I can do a lot better this time around.
I'm looking for some desktop replacements (not portable at all). Presently, I'm powering the HD280's off my onboard sound card (1366 board) so lets just assume its crap as. I had anticipated getting a Xonar DG or something similar, as it doesn't seem very expensive.

What I want the headphones for is music and gaming mostly. I play BF3 (FPS mostly) and metal/rock (Tool, APC, Marilyn Manson that sort of stuff) and from what I've read over the past few months suggest that the HE 400 would be the way to go. I have also been reccomended the Ultrasone Pro 900's, which are about $100 cheaper from Amazon, however I've read about a lot of people taking them back and mentioning they're not that great for metal etc. Given that these headphones are going to last me a long time it's probably better I spend the extra, but obviously I'd like to save money as well.
I've also read that if I do go down the HE400 path that the Xonar DG will probably not do and I will want to get an STX (or something else entirely) at a minimum. What do you guys think about that?

Now, this is probably a silly question but how do the higher class headphones really perform in comparison to something like the AD700 (which can be had for about $110 AU delivered)? Obviously they're in a completely different class, but I'm no audiophile...

Do you want emphasis on your musical tastes, competitive gaming, or a balance of both?
post #25556 of 29491

Really, both.  It's not even 'competitive' gaming - I don't play heaps these days, and find myself listening to music more and more with my spare time....so I'd be leaning towards that if anything.

 

Ideally I'd like to try locally as well, but that's not really feasible for the HE400's that I can see! (I'm in Melbourne)

post #25557 of 29491
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Originally Posted by WallySimmonds View Post

Really, both.  It's not even 'competitive' gaming - I don't play heaps these days, and find myself listening to music more and more with my spare time....so I'd be leaning towards that if anything.

 

Ideally I'd like to try locally as well, but that's not really feasible for the HE400's that I can see! (I'm in Melbourne)

 

Do you have a preference between open and closed-back cans?

post #25558 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post

...one thing I really liked about the 650's was how good the instruments sounded but I felt like the singer was being overshadowed.

I am looking for a sound signature that emphasizes the voice of the singer and makes it sound forward and detailed. l I believe this is called the treble region don't quote me on that as I don't know the full difference between the treble and upper mids. Other things that are important to me are instrument separation and sound stage and the instruments themselves I really like the way they sounded on the hd-650.

Budget wise I can go up to 500 but its slightly flexible, and it doesn't matter to me if its and open or closed can.I want them to sound fun and not overly analytical as I am not looking for a neutral sound. I listen to alot of different genres of rock, Sinatra, and guitar heavy songs. Basically the only recommendation I have gotten is grado so should I just stick with those?

Fundamental frequencies for voice are ~100-900 Hz for male voice & ~300 - 1500 Hz for female voice, which I'd call mids and maybe lower treble.  For that range HE-500 are hard to beat.  HD600 are also pretty special, really remedying the overshadowed singer you describe with the HD650, which sound more v-shaped to me with the dip where voices should go..  Don't get a closed can, none can do voice as well as an open can.  In your shoes I'd spring for HE500, they're a big jump in quality relative to HD600/650 & any SR Grado.

post #25559 of 29491
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Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post

...one thing I really liked about the 650's was how good the instruments sounded but I felt like the singer was being overshadowed.

I am looking for a sound signature that emphasizes the voice of the singer and makes it sound forward and detailed. l I believe this is called the treble region don't quote me on that as I don't know the full difference between the treble and upper mids. Other things that are important to me are instrument separation and sound stage and the instruments themselves I really like the way they sounded on the hd-650.

Budget wise I can go up to 500 but its slightly flexible, and it doesn't matter to me if its and open or closed can.I want them to sound fun and not overly analytical as I am not looking for a neutral sound. I listen to alot of different genres of rock, Sinatra, and guitar heavy songs. Basically the only recommendation I have gotten is grado so should I just stick with those?

Fundamental frequencies for voice are ~100-900 Hz for male voice & ~300 - 1500 Hz for female voice, which I'd call mids and maybe lower treble.  For that range HE-500 are hard to beat.  HD600 are also pretty special, really remedying the overshadowed singer you describe with the HD650, which sound more v-shaped to me with the dip where voices should go..  Don't get a closed can, none can do voice as well as an open can.  In your shoes I'd spring for HE500, they're a big jump in quality relative to HD600/650 & any SR Grado.

Woah, really? I've tried the HD650 at multiple Head-Fi meets and was never really satisfied with how they sound; I totally agree with Spiderman's impressions of the vocals. One of the meets had the HD600 but I never tried it because I thought the higher-number HD650 would be better. >.>

 

All of this talk of the HE-500 nowadays makes me want to go out and buy one, but alas, money is always an issue for a college student. XD

post #25560 of 29491

The HE 400 is clearer than the Senn siblings, the HD 600 & 650, but it also messes with the mids where vocals live.  You may or may not like that coloration.

 

The more expensive HE 500 enhances the clarity of the HE 400 and loses the coloration.

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