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Hi guys,

I'm looking to buy either Audio-Technica ATH-M50 or Sennheiser HD 558, and desperately need a suggestion about which one is better for me.

I often listen to rock & metal genre, and occasionally electronic.

 

I prefer open-back headphones (that's why discovered HD 558 at first), but after a couple hours of Googling I find that many reviewers highly appreciate ATH-M50's quality for its price.

 

One more thing, is it necessary to use a headphone amp for those headphones? is it will drastically improve the sound quality?

I'm using Creative X-FI external soundcard and can't find any related info on how good it is for headphone playback.

 

thanks :)

 

P.S. I'm very welcome if there's a better alternatives for $100 - $200 price range headphones.


A Grado SR 225i may be better for you than the other two, but that depends in large part on the sound signature that you are seeking (you need to tell us).  These are three very different sounding cans.  There are more options of course, like the Ultrasone HiFi 780...

 

Since you mentioned an open and closed can, I have to assume that you are OK with either design.

post #25352 of 29491
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I did not say that the CAL! was an upgrade over the earlier Denon, but a slightly improved clone.

 

I guess you can argue the rest of the point with Tyll, who says:

 

"It's obvious from the look and measurements that the Denon AH-D1001 and Creative Aurvana Live! are definitely variations of the same product. But measurements and listening also show different, and markedly improved performance, with the CAL!."

 

Link:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/creative-aurvana-live-classic-reincarnate


Ive seen his review and Graphs (Here we go again with the graphs), He also reviewed them years apart. I have them both right here. And can tell you the Cal is not an improvement or a clone as you say.

 

The Cal bottom line in an easier way to say sounds muddier from top to bottom. That's the easiest way compare them. The Denon is Crisp and clean, It's like the Cal needs to take a bath because it has a more dirty sound.

 

And don't go by graphs.

 

 No two result are the exact same.

post #25353 of 29491
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I did not say that the CAL! was an upgrade over the earlier Denon, but a slightly improved clone.

 

I guess you can argue the rest of the point with Tyll, who says:

 

"It's obvious from the look and measurements that the Denon AH-D1001 and Creative Aurvana Live! are definitely variations of the same product. But measurements and listening also show different, and markedly improved performance, with the CAL!."

 

Link:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/creative-aurvana-live-classic-reincarnate


Ive seen his review and Graphs (Here we go again with the graphs), He also reviewed them years apart. I have them both right here. And can tell you the Cal is not an improvement or a clone as you say.

 

The Cal bottom line in an easier way to say sounds muddier from top to bottom. That's the easiest way compare them. The Denon is Crisp and clean, It's like the Cal needs to take a bath because it has a more dirty sound.

 

And don't go by graphs.

 

 No two result are the exact same.


Have you seen the video on page 2?

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/creative-aurvana-live-classic-reincarnate-page-2

 

Both made by Fostex, both have the same drivers & both have same baffle plates.

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Have you seen the video on page 2?

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/creative-aurvana-live-classic-reincarnate-page-2

 

Both made by Fostex, both have the same drivers & both have same baffle plates.


I know Ive taken them both apart plenty of times.  The difference lays in the cups, The Denon has a cup that's more shallow and a bit more oval. That causes the Bass in the Denon to be more controlled and tighter. ( think MARKL mod on the 2000's) The Cal's cups are deeper and more round causing the Bass to bloat and have less detail and control. Yeah it's deeper on the Cal but at the expense of losing it's tightness, and with it having more bloat it mixes in to much with everything else.  It muddies up everything else, where on the Denon it is less and everything else can do their thing.


Edited by Magicman74 - 2/25/13 at 12:07am
post #25355 of 29491
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A Grado SR 225i may be better for you than the other two, but that depends in large part on the sound signature that you are seeking (you need to tell us).  These are three very different sounding cans.  There are more options of course, like the Ultrasone HiFi 780...

 

Since you mentioned an open and closed can, I have to assume that you are OK with either design.

 

I think I'm more focused on mid & treble and don't really mind about the bass, as long as it's not awful, of course.

 

Here's the thing, I live in Indonesia and I can't find any retail shop selling either SR 225i or HiFi 780 :(

It's easier to find a wide range products from Sennheiser, AKG, Audio-Technica, Sony or Shure among the others.

post #25356 of 29491
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A Grado SR 225i may be better for you than the other two, but that depends in large part on the sound signature that you are seeking (you need to tell us).  These are three very different sounding cans.  There are more options of course, like the Ultrasone HiFi 780...

 

Since you mentioned an open and closed can, I have to assume that you are OK with either design.

 

I think I'm more focused on mid & treble and don't really mind about the bass, as long as it's not awful, of course.

 

Here's the thing, I live in Indonesia and I can't find any retail shop selling either SR 225i or HiFi 780 :(

It's easier to find a wide range products from Sennheiser, AKG, Audio-Technica, Sony or Shure among the others.


The HD 598 has quality mids while those of the M50 are recessed and its weak point.  The M50 has bright treble, while the 598 rolls the edge off.  So between the two, the HD 598 is the better fit for you and in fact a better can overall--and more versatile.

 

That said the 598 might not be fast enough and too relaxed to be the top choice for you.  A can worth checking out is the new Audio-Technica ATH-AD900X, which I have not yet heard.  I have heard it predecessor, the very good AD900 (no "X").

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The HD 598 has quality mids while those of the M50 are recessed and its weak point.  The M50 has bright treble, while the 598 rolls the edge off.  So between the two, the HD 598 is the better fit for you and in fact a better can overall--and more versatile.

 

That said the 598 might not be fast enough and too relaxed to be the top choice for you.  A can worth checking out is the new Audio-Technica ATH-AD900X, which I have not yet heard.  I have heard it predecessor, the very good AD900 (no "X").

 

Did you mean the HD 558? that's the one I mentioned before.

post #25358 of 29491
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Also worth checking out are the completed Fostex mods, the Mad Dogs.  See:

 

https://www.mrspeakers.com/Audiophile-fostex-t50rp-upgrades-mrspeakers-mad-dog

These Mad Dogs look very interesting, especially with the "Alpha' pad. And, the more I think about it, a "mostly closed" can probably makes the most sense for my 1st pair of quality headphones. I can always add an open design later but right now the budget will only allow for 1 pair, especially if I add an amp/dac.

post #25359 of 29491
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The 550 is a good can but you have to get a good seal with them.  Just so you know, sound stage is not a strength of closed cans in general.  I'll also add that if your taste runs to the M-80 & Momentum, you like a somewhat bassy sound signature--not neutral but also not necessarily in basshead territory either.


What about the Q701? Are they good headphones? For 70$ more than the k550 I could get those... I know they are open headphones.


Edited by stfchampagne - 2/25/13 at 6:53am
post #25360 of 29491
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What about the Q701? Are they good headphones? For 70$ I could get those... I know they are open headphones.

 

Where can you get the Q701 for $70?! eek.gif

post #25361 of 29491
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Where can you get the Q701 for $70?! eek.gif


Count me in tooph34r.gif

post #25362 of 29491
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Where can you get the Q701 for $70?! eek.gif


SORRY!!! I meant for 70$ more! For 315$ all taxes included, here in Canada.

post #25363 of 29491
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Originally Posted by eucariote View Post

 

imo there are three headphones plateaus above the SRH840.  $250: SR225/DT880  $400: HD600  $700: HE500  They really tower over other headphones in their price range.  Beyond HE500 your price/quality graph flattens pretty steeply..

 

edit: oops, KG Jag said the same thing a couple of pages back.  Looks like we're in agreement. smily_headphones1.gif

 

I'll be driving a  couple hours tomorrow to pick up some new equipment bigsmile_face.gif I've decided to take the plunge with the HE-500 (~720 + tax in my area) after reading some stellar reviews. I've also decided to purchase a Fiio E09K/E17 AMP/DAC combo (~230 + tax). Hopefully, this will be enough to drive my new cans. The price point was just too tempting with the promise of DAC/AMP functionality on the go. Just hoping I won't be disappointed when I demo the unit at the store...

 

Thank you KG Jag/eucariote for the initial suggestion!

post #25364 of 29491

Hey all, 

 

I'm looking for a closed headphone with at least decent isolation, not too fragile and around 200 USD

I mostly listen to rock, EDM, and generally a smattering of a lot of other things (new country, jazz, etc).

 

What would be my best fit?

post #25365 of 29491
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Originally Posted by jmkma View Post

I did visit our BestBuy which had a limited number of phones to try on. The UE6000 they had seemed to have a broken button - you could not cycle it on/off. The light was on indicating it was on, but there was next to no noise reduction and the sound did not shine. I realize this was probably a broken pair, but it was enough to scare me away. I did try some Blaupunkt Custom One noise canceling which I sent right back. Poor canceling and poorer sound. I was hoping that a high isolation passive canceling phone might work better. Out of this selection, which has the highest isolation aside from the Logitech? I am going to add Logi's into the mix so now I am back to 6.

 

Also went back and forth with the Shure 440 vs 840. Seemed to find more people happy with the isolation on the 440 vs 840. Is that the case? What are other differences?

Hope you all don;t think I'm hopeless. Just having trouble making a list that gets smaller and not larger. While at BestBuy I tried the lower price Harman Kardon on ear. I was really surprized by the isolation it offered, Anyone have any thoughts on the CL?

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