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post #18436 of 29490
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That doesn't seem to match with the sound signature of high end cans.  In fact it reminds me of what I heard from most of the cans I listened to from the 70's well into the 90's.

 

Maybe you would like the very affordable Sony MDR ZX700 or MDR 7510.

what makes you say this? I have heard a bit of higher end cans and most just seem to lack in the mid range, but I am quite sure there are some that don't. I don't think sound signature defines "high end" at all... I am not sure if there is a misunderstanding anywhere, but I am kind of looking for something similar to the HD800 but with more forward midrange I believe. I would be surprised if anything closed matches the detail level of those... the imaging/soundstage I can live without tongue.gif

post #18437 of 29490
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what makes you say this? I have heard a bit of higher end cans and most just seem to lack in the mid range, but I am quite sure there are some that don't. I don't think sound signature defines "high end" at all... I am not sure if there is a misunderstanding anywhere, but I am kind of looking for something similar to the HD800 but with more forward midrange I believe. I would be surprised if anything closed matches the detail level of those... the imaging/soundstage I can live without tongue.gif


Once you get to the old flagships of the traditional headphone makers that make their own cans (e.g. Senn HD 600/650, Beyer DT 880, AKG K/Q 70x) are all solid in their respective mid-range presentations.  Street prices for these cans currently range from $230 to just under $500--and the top part of this range (pushed by the Senns) was at least $100 less earlier this year.

 

Further, many cans below these former top enders can tout the same thing.  Senn HD 580, 518, 558 & 598; AKG K 240, Beyer DT 1350; almost all the Sonys--just to name a few.

 

To be a flagship--or even to be a near want-to-be in this class, the can must be neutral or at least neutral-ish (and of course so much more).  You can't get there without solid mids.

 

No doubt that in today's market, colored headphones are marketed by most companies.  Many (sometimes the worst) are quite expensive.  However, for the most part they are a departure from a long line of audiophile and near audiophile headphones.  These are often life style or "fun" headphones.  However, just try to get something purporting to be a serious audiophile or near audiophile can that is way off neutral by a professional reviewer like Tyll.  Or for that matter past many, if not most, of the folks that are active here.

post #18438 of 29490
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Originally Posted by BriX View Post

 

Like most people, I have a few but not many as there are few titles out, and fewer still that I want.  Amp: Leckerton UHA-6S,MKII (OPA627AP).  Cans: HD-650, ATH-M50.  I sense your question is coming from the "do you really need 24/192?" territory.  I appreciate that point of view, and it is not an absolutely necessity but I do enjoy HD audio when I can get access to it.  On my setup the difference in SQ is noticeable but isn't like its a whole new world of sound, hence my desire to enjoy 24/192 at a reasonable buck - it just isn't worth it to me to spend $800 on a DX100.

 

Regards,

 

JW


you're clairvoyant!  With your setup, I can see why you might want hi rez playback.  Well for close to your $500 budget you can get 24/192 with your ipod and the ALO Algorythm Solo.  Not sure about other daps that would do it, but the ALO will allow you to decode your hi rez.  You just have to decide is it worth another half a grand or so to listen to those files when on the go.

post #18439 of 29490

So i cant decided witch Headphone to take...

 

  1. Use - at home, or portable, or both?  If both - what ratio?  If portable - are you worried about looks or just SQ?  Does form factor matter?
  2. Is isolation important (both leakage in and leakage out)?  This will determine open or closed.
  3. What types of music (genres) do you listen to mainly.
  4. What other headphones have you owned/heard (there is nothing in your sig or profile to help) - what did you like about them, or dislike (asking because I'm looking for a base-line for comparison).
  5. You state you want "lots of bass" but also want balance.  It's difficult to have both.  What is more important?  Are you looking for a flatter neutral can, warm and dark (bassy without too much sparkle), V shaped (elevated bass and treble - mids sometimes recessed), or something else?

 

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1. Both but more portable

2.Isolation is important

3.Im addicted to progressive trance but i listen rock and reggae too...

4.I owned a jvc and i didnt like the crack sound that made in some musics...

5.I want more bass,but i want balance too to listn rock and reggae...

6.Dont want to use with amp

7.Preffer with removable output cable

 


My budget is 200u$

 

Thanks!

post #18440 of 29490
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hmm, I did try those and I found the bass quality to be not at all that great, and a bit too much. I prefer it to have way little bass to be honest. should just be tight, good quality. have a nice impact but decay quickly, I think? I am not sure if I am making sense here but less (though better quality) bass is what I am looking for basically. I tried the Denon closed series (D2000, D5000, D700) and they are way too bass heavy for my taste.

The Sennheiser HD 380 Pro matches your bass description exactly. I dont use them all the time but I used to be a drummer and I really enjoy the tight base kick they give and the precision you get from tom toms or other drums. So I enjoy them for certain music. I find I have to EQ them up a bit on the high end for my taste in the high's department. They are extremely neutral and they are closed like the ones you described. Got them from vminnovations.com for 100 dollars refurbished (authorized dealer).

Otherwise the Beyerdynamic DT880 comes to mind. They are "semi-closed" and will leak a lot more than the HD380 but the mids and highs are more forward than the 380s... They are not super bassy and from my test of these I would have used "tight" to describe the bass like you mentioned above. You said you are using an amp which you will need for the 880 especially if you get the 600 ohm version. I personally had the chance to try the 80ohm.

Just my experience. There may be the "perfect" cans out there for you but these I have direct knowledge of. Good luck.
post #18441 of 29490
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Originally Posted by munchzilla View Post

hmm, I did try those and I found the bass quality to be not at all that great, and a bit too much. I prefer it to have way little bass to be honest. should just be tight, good quality. have a nice impact but decay quickly, I think? I am not sure if I am making sense here but less (though better quality) bass is what I am looking for basically. I tried the Denon closed series (D2000, D5000, D700) and they are way too bass heavy for my taste.

I  also tried the cheaper closed Beyers and they are also tons too bassy. the audio technica closed ones I have tried were a bit lacking in bass quality, and perhaps slightly too much bass.

 

I am really actually looking for something high end, therefore the "any price" tongue.gif

as long as my M^3 will drive it somewhat well. it should be quite powerful.

 

Thanks

I think an amped Shure SRH940 might work well. It is generally considered bass light, but with amping the bass is of nice quality.

post #18442 of 29490
thoughts of the akg k 270 Studio?
post #18443 of 29490
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


Once you get to the old flagships of the traditional headphone makers that make their own cans (e.g. Senn HD 600/650, Beyer DT 880, AKG K/Q 70x) are all solid in their respective mid-range presentations.  Street prices for these cans currently range from $230 to just under $500--and the top part of this range (pushed by the Senns) was at least $100 less earlier this year.

 

Further, many cans below these former top enders can tout the same thing.  Senn HD 580, 518, 558 & 598; AKG K 240, Beyer DT 1350; almost all the Sonys--just to name a few.

 

To be a flagship--or even to be a near want-to-be in this class, the can must be neutral or at least neutral-ish (and of course so much more).  You can't get there without solid mids.

 

No doubt that in today's market, colored headphones are marketed by most companies.  Many (sometimes the worst) are quite expensive.  However, for the most part they are a departure from a long line of audiophile and near audiophile headphones.  These are often life style or "fun" headphones.  However, just try to get something purporting to be a serious audiophile or near audiophile can that is way off neutral by a professional reviewer like Tyll.  Or for that matter past many, if not most, of the folks that are active here.

I have actually had the HD600, 650, DT880 (600Ohm), K701, but I found the Sennheisers both to have not very impressive bass quality, nor trebly enough for my tastes. DT880 midrange just sounded not at all very forward to me, the opposite was very true. I do like the K701 quite a bit, although there was something off about the midrange presentation, some vocals sounded a bit sterile if that makes any sense? and well... neither of these are closed, which is what I am hoping to find. tongue.gif

I have not heard the 580 of those, but the K240 I found not very comfortable if I remember correctly (was a few years ago now) - and same with the DT1350, a full sized would be ideal for me.

My current pair of IEM's, the Audio Technica ATH-CK100 are the closest I have found to my ideal sound signature - but I am not sure if there are any graphs to make it easier to understand... I have not been able to find any.

 

Thanks

 

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Originally Posted by Doc-holliday View Post


The Sennheiser HD 380 Pro matches your bass description exactly. I dont use them all the time but I used to be a drummer and I really enjoy the tight base kick they give and the precision you get from tom toms or other drums. So I enjoy them for certain music. I find I have to EQ them up a bit on the high end for my taste in the high's department. They are extremely neutral and they are closed like the ones you described. Got them from vminnovations.com for 100 dollars refurbished (authorized dealer).
Otherwise the Beyerdynamic DT880 comes to mind. They are "semi-closed" and will leak a lot more than the HD380 but the mids and highs are more forward than the 380s... They are not super bassy and from my test of these I would have used "tight" to describe the bass like you mentioned above. You said you are using an amp which you will need for the 880 especially if you get the 600 ohm version. I personally had the chance to try the 80ohm.
Just my experience. There may be the "perfect" cans out there for you but these I have direct knowledge of. Good luck.

 

hmm, I have my doubts after listening to the HD280 but I will definitely check them out if I can find them locally. wink.gif DT880 I described above, also not really closed. I need something that does not leak a lot of sound.

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I think an amped Shure SRH940 might work well. It is generally considered bass light, but with amping the bass is of nice quality.

I will check those out too, thanks

post #18444 of 29490
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Originally Posted by munchzilla View Post

I have actually had the HD600, 650, DT880 (600Ohm), K701, but I found the Sennheisers both to have not very impressive bass quality, nor trebly enough for my tastes. DT880 midrange just sounded not at all very forward to me, the opposite was very true. I do like the K701 quite a bit, although there was something off about the midrange presentation, some vocals sounded a bit sterile if that makes any sense? and well... neither of these are closed, which is what I am hoping to find. tongue.gif

I have not heard the 580 of those, but the K240 I found not very comfortable if I remember correctly (was a few years ago now) - and same with the DT1350, a full sized would be ideal for me.

My current pair of IEM's, the Audio Technica ATH-CK100 are the closest I have found to my ideal sound signature - but I am not sure if there are any graphs to make it easier to understand... I have not been able to find any.

 

Thanks

 

 

hmm, I have my doubts after listening to the HD280 but I will definitely check them out if I can find them locally. wink.gif DT880 I described above, also not really closed. I need something that does not leak a lot of sound.

I will check those out too, thanks

 

 

Seeing how you describe the cans like the Senns and Beyers and your preference for your AT IEMS, I would say you are most definitely looking for a colored midrange forward can design.  Each of us has our own preference and sometimes our descriptions may not be the same as other folks who have been listening to cans for many years.

 

After reading your notes up top I thought, this person might like a Grado sound with bass.  I think the deficiencies you noted in the other cans leads me to infer you like a bright upper mid and lower treble with slightly tilted lower bass.  Since I have not heard the AT iems you like I came across a fellow headfier review.  One quote stood out and confirmed my thoughts.

 

EDIT: I should note that the mids are REALLY VERY forward, even slightly more forward that the Grados, so for those who hate that type coloring watch out.

 

The reviewer goes on to say the AT AD2000 is the  closest sound to the AT iem.  Have you had a chance to audition that can?

 

m would have thought the Beyer 1350 would have been closer to your liking but understand the comfort factor.  I would also suggest you try to hear the Beyer T-1 and on the other end of the price spectrum the KRK 8400.  Another one that I have heard that gets close to your sound might be the Ultrasone Proline 650.

 

You seem to be honing in on the sound you want and it can be hard to get it exactly right when it is so difficult to hear many of these models.  Good luck!

post #18445 of 29490
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Originally Posted by voodoo do-er View Post

thoughts of the akg k 270 Studio?


Do you mean the K 240 Studio?

post #18446 of 29490
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Originally Posted by voodoo do-er View Post

thoughts of the akg k 270 Studio?

 

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Do you mean the K 240 Studio?


or do you mean the k271S or k271 MKII?  Edited the mkii no s


Edited by bixby - 8/27/12 at 2:16pm
post #18447 of 29490
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Originally Posted by munchzilla View Post

I have actually had the HD600, 650, DT880 (600Ohm), K701, but I found the Sennheisers both to have not very impressive bass quality, nor trebly enough for my tastes.
...
hmm, I have my doubts after listening to the HD280 but I will definitely check them out if I can find them locally. wink.gif  DT880 I described above, also not really closed. I need something that does not leak a lot of sound.
I will check those out too, thanks

I think of the 380s like the 280 with a much wider soundstage and a bit more clarity. Like i said i have to eq them in the highs to enjoy them so from what u said in ur last post... The recessed highs and mids will annoy u.

I think the problem is u r looking for a sound so specific that the only way u will be happy is going to an expo or store where u can listen for yourself.

You have owned some of the best cans out there and u r talking about getting better sound out of a closed can with good isolation than some of the best open cans around. I think only u will be able to answer ur question personally. Hope u find what u are looking for. Good luck.
post #18448 of 29490
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you're clairvoyant!  With your setup, I can see why you might want hi rez playback.  Well for close to your $500 budget you can get 24/192 with your ipod and the ALO Algorythm Solo.  Not sure about other daps that would do it, but the ALO will allow you to decode your hi rez.  You just have to decide is it worth another half a grand or so to listen to those files when on the go.


Thanks for your response bixby. 

 

I looked at the specs for the Solo and it looks like it's DAC is limited to 24/96.  The Leckerton amp/DAC I have is also limited to 24/96, so unless I get a another 24/192-capable DAC in addition to the Solo I am further ahead in that I have access to 24/96, but I don't quite have the 24/192 I'm after.  Spending $600 on the Solo, plus however much additional for the DAC is not in my budget, and with this much gear the whole notion of "portability" gets a bit ludicrous.  Plus there is the potential problem of busing through the inner city with a couple of grand worth of gear on your back that may elicit the sort of attention I'd prefer to avoid. 

 

I think we just need to get Apple to make a hi-fi iPod.  Too bad this will probably never happen.  What incentive do studios have  to make a slightly more expensive product that simultaneously exposes their lax production standards while further undermining their physical media sales?  If someone were to introduce a cheap hi-fi player while protecting and driving studio profitability you could have a truly disruptive technology.  You do that and you change the world for the better.

 

For some reason "Tears Are Not Enough" just sailed through my head.

 

If someone still has a solution to my earlier question I would love to hear it.

 

Thanks,

 

JW

post #18449 of 29490

Hello all,

 

Looking for a setup (or just phones) that'll run me about 400 bucks (not strict). Avid electronic music listener (dub/dnb/tech/deep) with a little rap/hip hop on the side. The source will either be my gaming rig at home or my iPhone/MBP when I'm out and about but I only see myself exiting my house with them just to hear a few tracks during travel time or just to hit up a friends for a music session, and I'm not really too worried about weight as I tend to have my bag with me most of the time. I find comfort being an important factor as headphones that tend to rest on my ears make them sore because when I find the time to indulge, I'll end up doing it for a few hours. I'm extremely open to suggestions and I enjoy having a lot of options before making a decision so...

 

Any help would be wonderful and thanks!

post #18450 of 29490
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Originally Posted by Doc-holliday View Post


I think of the 380s like the 280 with a much wider soundstage and a bit more clarity. Like i said i have to eq them in the highs to enjoy them so from what u said in ur last post... The recessed highs and mids will annoy u.
I think the problem is u r looking for a sound so specific that the only way u will be happy is going to an expo or store where u can listen for yourself.
You have owned some of the best cans out there and u r talking about getting better sound out of a closed can with good isolation than some of the best open cans around. I think only u will be able to answer ur question personally. Hope u find what u are looking for. Good luck.

ahh okay, I did not understand they were recessed in mids and highs. quite a bit away from what I am looking for then. biggrin.gif

I am indeed looking for something very specific, unfortunately I think a closed can will not be easy (or possible) to find.

thanks!

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Originally Posted by bixby View Post

 

 

Seeing how you describe the cans like the Senns and Beyers and your preference for your AT IEMS, I would say you are most definitely looking for a colored midrange forward can design.  Each of us has our own preference and sometimes our descriptions may not be the same as other folks who have been listening to cans for many years.

 

After reading your notes up top I thought, this person might like a Grado sound with bass.  I think the deficiencies you noted in the other cans leads me to infer you like a bright upper mid and lower treble with slightly tilted lower bass.  Since I have not heard the AT iems you like I came across a fellow headfier review.  One quote stood out and confirmed my thoughts.

 

EDIT: I should note that the mids are REALLY VERY forward, even slightly more forward that the Grados, so for those who hate that type coloring watch out.

 

The reviewer goes on to say the AT AD2000 is the  closest sound to the AT iem.  Have you had a chance to audition that can?

 

m would have thought the Beyer 1350 would have been closer to your liking but understand the comfort factor.  I would also suggest you try to hear the Beyer T-1 and on the other end of the price spectrum the KRK 8400.  Another one that I have heard that gets close to your sound might be the Ultrasone Proline 650.

 

You seem to be honing in on the sound you want and it can be hard to get it exactly right when it is so difficult to hear many of these models.  Good luck!

yeah, it really has forward mids. love it!

I have not heard the ATH-AD2000, but as it is a very open can I am not too keen of the idea... and since it seems to be the same design as the AD900 which I have had, I had a few comfort issues. the drivers (the cloth) touched my ears and caused discomfort.

there IS a beyerdynamic stockist here, which is a high end audio shop... I will definitely go see if they have any of their higher end cans. super curious about the T5p and T70p after reading peoples opinions on them.

so far, my experience with Ultrasone has been: SUPER bass heavy, not at all what I want (the CK100 is according to people who try it - quite bass light... I find it to be just right)

I am definitely trying to get it "just right", and so far it's proven to be really difficult... but I got my hopes up, there are so many headphones out there I have not heard.

 

(this closed pair is not going to be my final pair, but I do want something to isolate myself a bit when studying and such. going to get a higher end open pair later on...)

 

thanks a lot!

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