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Originally Posted by thecansmancan View Post

So I'm looking to move up in the headphone world. A budget of say, $300, with the possibility of stretching for something good. I would like them to scale well, simply because i'd like to start building a setup behind them.

 

Preferences: 

Music-Rock,anything from 80s hair to alternative to punk, the whole lot. Would like the ability to cross genres effectively

 

Sound-I don't have quite the experience to have an exact sound i like. I will however say I love the sound of my Shure srh 840. I'm not huge on bass. I have xb  700,and they're great at what they do. Mids,are fairly important to me,so i'd rather they not be recessed. But they're just not quite my optimal sound. If anyone knows of a sound signature that would work best for rock please recommend.

 

Equipment-Fiio E10 dac/amp and a symetrix 304 amp  Not sure if your Fiio is up to the task of these better cans. At least not in my experience.  Never heard the Symetrix

 

I'm looking to use these for a home rig so it makes no difference if its open or closed. So here's what I've gathered thus far:

  1. Grado Rs1i/rs2i-can anyone elaborate on the deferences/strong points  The 1i has deeper bass and is generally a touch better than the 2i in most things for $200 more.  Some find both to be sibilant.  I find them to have a very natural sound, well extend, excellent sound stage with great clarity and separation of each musical voice.  They are much lighter on the head than the SR line.
  2. Sennhieser HD600/hd650-i heard these may not be the greatest for rock; however amp plays heavily on that. So if this is a viable option can you recommend an amp that would pair well.  Senn 600 sound just fine on rock, 650s not as much.  The comments you hear about Senns and rock probably come from the Grado camp who likes brightly lit up lower treble and upper mids, so guitars are moved up front and have that wall of sound that KG Jag so well describes.  Maybe I'm just a bit sentimental and old fashion--but these are two fantastic, classic and all-arround cans.  Just don't expect them to be detail monsters.  The HD 650 is the fun sibling with a mid-bass hump, while the HD 600 is very neutral.
  3. Akg 701/702- as i understand it these are the same thi and not enough flesh on the bones of mids.  Not anything like your 840s.ng with detachable cables. I cant seem to get a good handle on the sound signature so if some one can provide an explantion of that as well as there usefulness for rock.  Sound signature = too bright for me.  not anything like your 840s.  The Q701's are maong the best values in headphones today.  They are very detailed and have an excellent sound stage.  Those who do not like them complain that they are a bit bass light and their sound is too thin and etherial.
  4. Grado 325i-i heard some dislike this one but prefer the Rs1/2. SO um, why is that. I heard this one was great for metal/rock  Wall of sound!  All that pus greater clarity, better bass and superior build quality over all those below it in the SR line.  In many ways it is a transtion can to the RS line.  Many find it to be very sibilant.  For that reason many prefer the Alessandro MS2i, which is based on the 325i.
  5. Beyerdynamic DT990/600-Now i know they're 600 ohms, and yes i know they come is signifigantly lesser ohms. However its been said, and staunchly defended  that the 600ohms are far better than the rest. So is this true? in what way? general signature(did't get a clear bead on this one either)? And do you think my equipment can power these? Amp recs?

If you have not already done so, read this:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more    More of a "v" shape EQ than the DT 770 and that's too much for me.  The Beyer 600 Ohm versions of the 770/880/990 are better than the 250 Ohm versions, but not by a great deal.  Relative price and power available (often turns on whether a new amp will be needed) usually dictates choice between them.

  1. Bower and Wilkins-i'm not familiar with their line or sound. I do know they have fantastic reputation and an iconic design, so i thought id add these in so if anyone knows anythings.  Very polite headphone, kind of like an even more polite senn 650 with really comfy pads.  Not a detail king by any means, warm and soft.
  2. Fosterx T50RP-i hear theyhave a ton of potential. so much so they serve as the donor for the renouned thunderpants.  I heard them at RMAF, probably the most bland, over hyped headphones I ever heard.  I feel the 840s kill them and no I am not  being over the top, ha ha!

 

Now given that, some of those seriously stretch  my budget. So if anyone can recommend reputable sites other than eBay and amazon to buy off of that would be great. If any one has any other suggestions please, i beg of you, throw them at me. Anything, everything...except the atm m50...i refuse mad.gif  Try any of headfi sponsors on the home page, they are all reputable!  Yes--and J & R, BH & Audio Advisors and some others are good as well.

 

Any and all help is greatly appreciated. If it makes anything easier, feel free to pm me. 

 

Many thanks,

-thecansmancan

 

My comments are added in red above.

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Haha so ok, lets say on a scale of 1-10 the M50's bass is a 10. What number would the 840 be? Not really a fan of how the DT 770's look.


I don't know that this approach is the correct way to address the issue, but OK--I'll play. 

 

Where the M50 is 10 and neutral bass is 5, I'd put the 840 at a 7 or maybe a few tenths less.

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I don't know that this approach is the correct way to address the issue, but OK--I'll play. 

 

Where the M50 is 10 and neutral bass is 5, I'd put the 840 at a 7 or maybe a few tenths less.

Damn that's a pretty serious difference. I think I'll stick to the M50's, I think I can champ out the comfort. I just notice however that amazon sells M50 S and M50. What's the difference?


Edited by danquoc - 8/15/12 at 9:13pm
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  • Akg 701/702- as i understand it these are the same thing with detachable cables. I cant seem to get a good handle on the sound signature so if some one can provide an explantion of that as well as there usefulness for rock.

 

AKG K701, Q701, K701 are the same familie, but Q701 and K702 use shorter toleranced drivers (capsules) and have detachable cables.

Q701 and K702 have a little bit other tuning (as AKG says).

 

You can found the service documents (part lists) of all AKG products here

http://www.akg.com/site/powerslave,id,7,nodeid,7,_language,EN,cat,11.html

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Damn that's a pretty serious difference. I think I'll stick to the M50's, I think I can champ out the comfort. I just notice however that amazon sells M50 S and M50. What's the difference?


Straight vs. coiled cable--and usually the price.  That's it.

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Straight vs. coiled cable--and usually the price.  That's it.

And in terms of standard and LE, is there any sound difference?

post #18022 of 29490
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Originally Posted by danquoc View Post

And in terms of standard and LE, is there any sound difference?


From all that I have heard and read: no.

post #18023 of 29490
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


From all that I have heard and read: no.


Alright buddy, thanks for all the help.

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hi - currently got a pair of AD900 but I feel that they are a bit uncomfortable for longer periods, as the driver/mesh touch my ears... so I'm either asking: is there any way to fix this, any pads that fit or so that would help?

if not:

what are some good, not too bass heavy, not too tame treble, with preferably forward mid range (or at least very nice and smooth/seductive(?)) headphones for maximum 300 bucks?

I'll be using them primarily for gaming and watching movies. I wouldn't mind sound isolation, but doesn't have to be closed. if there is some alternative in-between, that'd be great. (my AD900 leak everything, which I'm not a big fan of)

comfort really is the biggest issue here, since after watching one movie with my AD900, my ears tend to feel a bit sore...

I do really like the AD900's engaging "fast" sound, something in the same lines as that would be great.

 

so, in short: nice midrange 'phones for gaming, videos/movies, comfort is the biggest factor here. 

 

I do have an M^3 that I will run them with, so if it's a question about power, I have it!

 

Thanks

 

hi sorry for quoting myself but the comfort is making me sad and desperate... anyone know if the W1000X are anything like the AD900, but... closed-sound?

post #18025 of 29490
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From all that I have heard and read: no.


Ok I lied lol. How do the M-80's compare to the M50's?

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Hey, I'm looking for a pair of headphones to be used for gaming and music (alt rock/jazz mostly) about 50/50 split. I generally play FPSs.

Comfort is important. Open/closed doesn't matter. ~$100 Canadian is my budget; a lot of good headphones seem to be way more expensive here than in the US.

 

I'm looking at getting the KSC75 and then getting the Monoprice 8323 as a spare set/for music. CAL! is also another possibility.

 

I love the look of the sr60i/ms-1, but I understand they aren't good for gaming and I'm not sure if want to drop that kind of cash for headphones just for music yet.

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Hey, I'm looking for a pair of headphones to be used for gaming and music (alt rock/jazz mostly) about 50/50 split. I generally play FPSs.

Comfort is important. Open/closed doesn't matter. ~$100 Canadian is my budget; a lot of good headphones seem to be way more expensive here than in the US.

 

I'm looking at getting the KSC75 and then getting the Monoprice 8323 as a spare set/for music. CAL! is also another possibility.

 

I love the look of the sr60i/ms-1, but I understand they aren't good for gaming and I'm not sure if want to drop that kind of cash for headphones just for music yet.


Hard for many of us in the U.S. to fully grasp Canadian pricing and total amount a can will cost when you finally get in on your ears. [Whatever happened to NAFTA?!]  With all that in the rear view mirror, the CAL! remains a good and versatile can in its price class.  Of those you mentioned, it is the best choice for your articulated uses.

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Damn that's a pretty serious difference. I think I'll stick to the M50's, I think I can champ out the comfort. I just notice however that amazon sells M50 S and M50. What's the difference?

What's uncomfortable about the M50s? I haven't tried them out so I don't know how they feel. I've heard the DT 250 velour pads fit on them which might increase their comfort.

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Ok I lied lol. How do the M-80's compare to the M50's?

M80s (assuming you mean V-Moda?) are much more balanced, but still have great bass. They are on ear, but are surprisingly comfortable. They may not have the same punch as the M50s (Once again, haven't tried them), but they are not lacking at all.

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