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Originally Posted by Necromunda View Post

Posted this in its standalone thread and just not noticed this Thread, whoops! haha :P Well here it is:

 

 

Okay, well as far as Headphones are concerned I'm effectively a total noob in the department. I currently have a pair of Klipsch Image S4 in ears for use for the majority of my music but I'm looking to upgrade to a pair of on ears/over ears.

 

Primarily I listen to EDM music as I'm a huge EDM junkie and love the Electronic Genre as a whole. I'm also currently trying to teach myself how to produce with Ableton and just fiddling around with it which I find extremely fun and intend to take it to a more serious extent over the summer and I might start DJ'ing at some point next year. Aside from EDM, Indie/Classic Rock are my secondary choices for music and hold up a large bulk of my Music Collection so headphones that took these into consideration would be nice as well!

 

I'm looking to spend no more then $200 on a pair of Headphones at the moment, preferably under $150. Also I have no problem with buying a pair of used Headphones and if I can get more bang for my buck, would actually preferably like to buy a pair used. Also I would like a pair that would be effective when walking around as well as I'd probably frequently use them on my average commutes through my Campus and going out anywhere in general as well as using them at home.

 

Upon first thought's I was looking at a pair of Sennheiser HD25-1 II's from a recommendation of a friend who I know has them, however I can't test them out as he unfortunately lives nowhere near me. So I figured I'd post on this website and see some opinions of people who are more versed on the subject! Any help would be appreciated! Also I'm not in a super rush for finding a pair as I plan on buying them in 2-3 weeks. So, any recommendations? :)



Sennheiser HD25-1 II or V-Moda M-80/V-80

Simple as that bro.

M-80 has more range.

HD-25 has more clarity

M-80 has more range.

HD-25 isolates more.

M-80 has less fatigue.

HD-25 is more "fun."

 

The following is from Armaegis' reviews found here.http://www.head-fi.org/t/574617/review-comparison-beyerdynamic-dt1350-t50p-sennheiser-hd25-1-ii-hd25-13-ii-pioneer-hdj-2000-v-moda-m80-aiaiai-tma-1

 

V-Moda M80: Well balanced, somewhat airy, engaging but polite.

A surprisingly balanced headphone within this shootout. There is a lighter texture to the sound reminiscent of the full sized winged Audio Technicas, but still provides a decent lower end impact to the music. Upper and lower extension does a fine job of remaining relatively flat, especially in the treble end which in this category of headphones is plagued by spikes and valleys. Detailing feels a bit weak at times, with some excessive energy delay in the upper mids/lower treble where finger snaps and cymbals just seem blurred. Sub bass also seems to lose coherence during more aggressive phrases.

 

 

Sennheiser HD25-1-iiModerate V shaped frequency response with a bass tilt, comparatively recessed mids and uppermids, plenty of punch in the bass and treble.

These cans are tried and true, with a great all-rounder sound. Good energy throughout, the bottom end provides a nice driving rhythm and the top end is tuned for just the right amount of shimmer with hihats. While the bass extension is good, most of the bass energy comes from the upper bass region that gives great impact but not much rumble. In the treble, there is a strong peak at the lowish end (roughly 2kHz) and another in the upper range (around 8-10kHz, which is very typical for closed headphones). The valley in between the peaks stays quite strong, and in my opinion it is partly this lack of a deep valley which reduces sibilance. The midrange region is recessed in comparison to the bass and treble and feels a bit veiled though generally flat, sloping up gently until the first treble peak.

 

 

M80 vs HD25

- upperbass (snares) hits harder on the M80, while the kick drums and cymbals sound better on HD25

- treble on the M80 very even but slightly blurred, while the HD25 has a great zing but can be a bit too strong/fatiguing for some

 

 

I went with the M-80s because I think they look better and also they clamp less in the head. Clamping force increases isolation but can decrease comfort for some.

 


Edited by Pwn3r4Life - 3/3/12 at 12:54pm
post #12677 of 29490

Thanks for the information about the sound cards, but I'm more concerned about the headset. 

 

I'm stuck between the AKG K240 MKII and Audio Technica M50S. What do you know about the AKG's? 

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If you put sound quality about all else, looks should be the least of your concerns.

 

What use will you give to the headphones, how far can you stretch your budget and are you considering getting a headphone amp?

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How exactly is the DG more reliable. Amuse me. Oh, and if you don't hear audible differences between the DG and the DX, then there's something wrong there.

EDIT: I forgot to add that the Xonar DX has an AV100 audio processor, which is a modified CMI8788 chip (which along with other features, have a better DAC and far higher SNR), unlike the CMI8786 that was used on the later Xonar DG. So yes, the Xonar DX is superior, and since Abacusrexx is looking for higher sound quality, the Xonar DX is a better purchase. But I agree that having additional amping is useful, and getting an external headphone amplifier would be a sensible choice. But skimping on the quality of the source is not the way to go, quality that is lacking on the Xonar DG, compared to the Xonar DX.

The feedback on Newegg shows more negative feedback for the DX over the DG.

What modification does the AV100 have over the original CMI8788, besides slapping a "AV100" sticker on top of the CMI8788?

If is was a modified CMI8788, it would has been really easy for C-Media to change the printing on top of the chip.

I'm sure the DX has a better DAC and SNR, then the DG.

I've always assumed the Fiio E11 does better headphone amplification then the DG or DX.

It's only $20 more for the Xonar DG & Fiio E11 combo over the Xonar DX,

To me the combo is the better value, someone can travel with the Fiio E11, but not the DX.
 

 

 

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Just want to add that I settled on Ultrasone HFI-780 and even though they aren't fully burned in yet I'm loving them. They are a nice change of pace compared to the HD650 (which is in my opinion my favorite can of all time).

 

I got a great deal and found the 780's for $143. Pretty happy.

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The feedback on Newegg shows more negative feedback for the DX over the DG.

What modification does the AV100 have over the original CMI8788, besides slapping a "AV100" sticker on top of the CMI8788?

If is was a modified CMI8788, it would has been really easy for C-Media to change the printing on top of the chip.

I'm sure the DX has a better DAC and SNR, then the DG.

I've always assumed the Fiio E11 does better headphone amplification then the DG or DX.

It's only $20 more for the Xonar DG & Fiio E11 combo over the Xonar DX,

To me the combo is the better value, someone can travel with the Fiio E11, but not the DX.
 


 

Right, I'm going to rely on Newegg for feedback on a soundcard, LOL. Then I'm going to rely on BestBuy for the best headphones, which they claim to be Beats /rolleyes

Funny, who brought E11 to the discussion? Also, there wasn't a single mention of portability being required, only sound quality, which an inferior source doesn't provide.

Considering your arguments, it's only relevant to compare the DG with the DX chip, in this case being the CMI8786 with the CMI8788, which are drastically different, the DG being the inferior part, of course. 15dB SNR differences, lower output formats including channels available, lack of digital encoding, lower quality DAC, lower quality ADC, make up for a rather significant difference between the DG and the DX.

 

Now how about you post something relevant to the inquiry of Abacusrexx (he already set his mind on the higher quality Xonar DX, but is in doubt regarding headphones)?

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I'm just going to burn in the D2000s for a while, nevermind.


Edited by shorke - 3/3/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Abacusrexx View Post

Thanks for the information about the sound cards, but I'm more concerned about the headset. 

 

I'm stuck between the AKG K240 MKII and Audio Technica M50S. What do you know about the AKG's? 


I have the 240 Studio and the M50s.  I like them both.  If you ignore the $50 +/- price advantage of the AKG (studio--but not for the similar but slightly better MK II), I give the nod to the AT can based on a bit better sound quality, significantly better build quality and portability/fold-ability.

 

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Hey there, you Audiophiles,

 

 

I've been planning on buying a decent Headphone for quite some time now. Your nice Forum here has provided invaluable help in my decision process so far.

 

 

I'm currently using the Sony MDR-CD380 (7 Years and still alive and well, one hell of a 50€ Headphone if you ask me) coupled with an Audigy2 ZS from my PC.

 

 

The pending upgrade to Ivy Bridge and the possible demise of the trusty old PCI-Port got things rolling, it started with "Well, I need a new Soundcard"

 

After much review reading I chose the X-Fi Titanium HD, because I'm a Gamer as well as a music lover.

 

I had the luxury of testing the Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250Ω which is owned by a friend, and they sound awesome even when I just plugged them into the X-Fi Pro "Weird guy edition" my Friend has (Please don't throw stones at me, I had no alternative at that point in time.)

 

Still they clamped a little to much and they had bit too much treble for my taste that's why I targeted the DT-880 Premiums because they are supposed to be more on the neutral side and have less of a death grip. The DT-990 reacted very nicely to EQ-Fiddling, so I think having a neutral Headphone makes it easy to color the music like the genre requires.

(Metal + Crystallizer = Ear rape, had a sharp pain for  ~4hrs :( )

 

 

I've read countless threads here, stating that the 600Ω version sounds better than the 250Ωs, I'd like to go for them, but that creates the dilemma of needing an Amp.

 

To be perfectly honest: I'm not really comfortable with the thought of spending ~400€ for a Headphone Amp that can't be used for anything else. Thus, I had an Idea: Why not buy a nice A/V Receiver and  have the option to upgrade to a surround system later on, when I'm out of my student one room apartment?

 

 

I searched and found this one to be to my liking:

Yamaha RX-V671   http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v671_black_u/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

 

A little note to my music tastes and the intended usage of the DT-880s:

- I only use them at home, I keep the Sonys for mobile use.

- I primarily listen to Soundtracks of all kind, Games, Movies (<3 Hans Zimmer) and orchestral music, occasionally I'm a metalhead (e.g.: Celtic Pagan Metal)

- My computer is the woman for everything: Movies, Audio, Gaming 

 

 

Now after this long read all comes down to 2 possibilities and 2 questions:

 

P1: Titanium HD -> 250Ω DT-880  (Spec sheet says it can drive up to 330Ω Headphones, Bonus: Saves money)

P2: Titanium HD -> RX-V671 -> 600Ω DT-880  (Bonus: PC-Network Access, Remote Control and no wasted money because it can be upgraded to a full home cinema system once I have the place)

 

Q1. Will the Yamaha be able to power the 600Ω headphones adequately or am I completely off course here?

Q2. Which Setup makes more sense / nets the better sound quality?

 

Thanks for reading that wall-O-text, taking the time to give me advice and I apologize for my bad English.


Edited by Ifalna - 3/3/12 at 4:07pm
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Who say's you have to spend 400€ for a headphone amp to power the 600Ω 880's? 

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I looked at the Schiit Valhalla which some of you recommended for the use with these headphones.

Since I live in germany shipping + toll + taxes = expensive.

 

Besides, it's not only the cost that turns me away from headphone amps, but their single use only. I like my hardware to be versatile.


Edited by Ifalna - 3/3/12 at 4:18pm
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Fair enough, but I'm sure you use many things that have a single purpose.  While a fine amp I'm sure, there are amps powerful enough for your needs that don't have to break the bank especially if you're willing to take on a DIY project.

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especially if you're willing to take on a DIY project.

Oh boy, I am an engineering student, writing a masters thesis right now and the thought of DIYing an Amp sounds sexy, but my hands are WAY to shaky to be able to solder nicely and I doubt that I'll find the time for that within the next semester. :/

 

What "cheap" Headphone amps would you recommend, and how would they sound compared to the two solutions I researched so far?

 

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Only amps I have experience with are diy cmoy, O2, The Wire (in progress). 

 

Try a search in the amp section :  http://www.head-fi.org/search.php?search=amp+880+600&containingforum%5B0%5D=5&currenttab=All&start=0

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Just want to add that I settled on Ultrasone HFI-780 and even though they aren't fully burned in yet I'm loving them. They are a nice change of pace compared to the HD650 (which is in my opinion my favorite can of all time).

 

I got a great deal and found the 780's for $143. Pretty happy.



That is a good deal. They are a fun headphone for sure. I love mine.

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