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I get wood every single time I see wood. wink.gif

 

MCA's work is really truly a work of art.

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Not to keep the vinyl/quality discussion going (and noting that I own no vinyl yet), but Warner has a 24/96 backlog of everything they've released for the past few years. So if that's what's going on the vinyl, wouldn't the vinyl still be better than CD quality, even with digital recording? 

 

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You're either Australian are an Electro House/Dance fan, but to answer your question, sweet wink.gif

Although I wish both, unfortunately, only the latter rolleyes.gif Was this close to getting my picture with them:

 

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Edited by wes008 - 5/11/13 at 5:39am
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I'm not surprised. I have many colleagues in the music industry in engineering roles, and this is blatantly false. The vast majority of vinyl releases today are poorly done and meant solely to be sold as premium novelties. I didn't say the good releases or separate masters (again, this was one of the two reasons I listed) don't exist, but they are rare. Look, I am merely pointing out facts. If you prefer not to believe these, that's your prerogative, just move along, but I am just trying to be informative and helpful to those who are interested in my knowledge. 



I'm going to use my photo analogy again, but it is as parallel as can be. Unless separate masters are involved, changing mediums from a digital master to analog (and then ripping back) will only introduce artifacts, just as if you printed a photo (and snapped a picture of it). The medium cannot create more range or quality if it didn't exist in the first place. Whether or not you like those artifacts is another issue altogether, but anything additional introduced by using the analog medium is still a result of artifacts.

To be clear, I never meant to imply the analog transfer is necessarily worse sounding or if it is, that the differences were necessarily significant or noticeable, but rather, my point is just that it certainly cannot be better than the original master, which will always be the limiting factor. If the digital master is suitable, then the vinyl will probably sound good too. If it's compressed to hell, the vinyl will have all the same limitations, but analog/vinyl can't make something out of nothing, so if one is buying a vinyl expecting it to sound better than the CD, chances are, they'll be disappointed.

As MohawkUS said, this is getting off topic. This is the last I have to say on this topic. Let's see more fancy rigs! smily_headphones1.gif

The problem is that you aren't using "facts" you're spouting anecdotal evidence like its the truth, which admittedly morbid is as well, but I have to agree with him. When it comes to pop and metal, the vast majority of the vinyl uses a completely different master, with much more dynamics left intact as compared to the cd release. Everything from Katy perry to eminem to mastodon to svart crown all sound significantly better on vinyl because of the use of an objectively better master.

I wiuld never say that vinyl as a format is better than digital, cause I don't believe that to be the case, but when they are using better masters to press the vinyl version, they do sound better despite the flaws of vinyl.
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Topic or steel-capped boot to the rear.
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In the interest of keeping this on topic:

 

 

Enjoying a brew whilst re-ripping a few CDs. Anyone here drink/tried Lapsang Souchong?

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Originally Posted by tintin220 View Post

I'm not surprised. I have many colleagues in the music industry in engineering roles, and this is blatantly false. The vast majority of vinyl releases today are poorly done and meant solely to be sold as premium novelties. I didn't say the good releases or separate masters (again, this was one of the two reasons I listed) don't exist, but they are rare. Look, I am merely pointing out facts. If you prefer not to believe these, that's your prerogative, just move along, but I am just trying to be informative and helpful to those who are interested in my knowledge. 



I'm going to use my photo analogy again, but it is as parallel as can be. Unless separate masters are involved, changing mediums from a digital master to analog (and then ripping back) will only introduce artifacts, just as if you printed a photo (and snapped a picture of it). The medium cannot create more range or quality if it didn't exist in the first place. Whether or not you like those artifacts is another issue altogether, but anything additional introduced by using the analog medium is still a result of artifacts.

To be clear, I never meant to imply the analog transfer is necessarily worse sounding or if it is, that the differences were necessarily significant or noticeable, but rather, my point is just that it certainly cannot be better than the original master, which will always be the limiting factor. If the digital master is suitable, then the vinyl will probably sound good too. If it's compressed to hell, the vinyl will have all the same limitations, but analog/vinyl can't make something out of nothing, so if one is buying a vinyl expecting it to sound better than the CD, chances are, they'll be disappointed.

As MohawkUS said, this is getting off topic. This is the last I have to say on this topic. Let's see more fancy rigs! smily_headphones1.gif

I'll conceed the first. I never thoght about how much new vinyl there ia without good masters. Most of my vinyl is bought new but I make sure it has a proper new master first so I don't see all the 'novelty' stuff.

You're missing my point on the second chunk though. I'm not saying vinyl is inherrently better (it's actually worse), but it's mastering quality that counts. Not whether it's a CD or vinyl...and more often than not vinyl will get the better master (if there's more than one out there).

Ala Metal vinyl. That was my point, just to clarify. We're done though.
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I'll conceed the first. I never thoght about how much new vinyl there ia without good masters. Most of my vinyl is bought new but I make sure it has a proper new master first so I don't see all the 'novelty' stuff.

You're missing my point on the second chunk though. I'm not saying vinyl is inherrently better (it's actually worse), but it's mastering quality that counts. Not whether it's a CD or vinyl...and more often than not vinyl will get the better master (if there's more than one out there).

Ala Metal vinyl. That was my point, just to clarify. We're done though.

 

Well in this case, it seems we actually agree! Hooray!

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Originally Posted by wes008 View Post

Not to keep the vinyl/quality discussion going (and noting that I own no vinyl yet), but Warner has a 24/96 backlog of everything they've released for the past few years. So if that's what's going on the vinyl, wouldn't the vinyl still be better than CD quality, even with digital recording? 

Although I wish both, unfortunately, only the latter rolleyes.gif Was this close to getting my picture with them:

 

 

 

That's pretty close.  Nice.  beerchug.gif

 

They're not for everyone, but Nervo is sure a talented pair.

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Topic or steel-capped boot to the rear.

 

That was funny biggrin.gif

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That was funny biggrin.gif

 

and to the point, pun intended. ksc75smile.gif

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Topic or steel-capped boot to the rear.


YES!! popcorn.gif

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A long awaited family photo of all 5 pairs of headphones I currently own. It was difficult getting them to stand still as I snapped the photo. tongue.gif

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The best and worst headphones in one picture.
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Guess he likes variety.

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Could be a published non-fiction account filled with emotion about his/her journey in head-fi-dom.

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