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Is the LP much better? I used to be a fan of them.

Twice as dynamic and I thought the bass was improved as well. Though the latter might be just my rig.

The CD is pretty brickwalled. Either way it was pretty noticeable.
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Is the LP much better? I used to be a fan of them.

Twice as dynamic and I thought the bass was improved as well. Though the latter might be just my rig.

The CD is pretty brickwalled. Either way it was pretty noticeable.

Got it.

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I ended up with a D2000 and a D7000 biggrin.gif

 

Recommend a D7000?

 

Definitely, it's the cream of the crop!

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post #13369 of 18916
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I ended up with a D2000 and a D7000 biggrin.gif

 

Recommend a D7000?

 

Definitely, it's the cream of the crop!

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post #13370 of 18916

There's something about those closed woodies, every time I see one I want to buy one.

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post


Twice as dynamic and I thought the bass was improved as well. Though the latter might be just my rig.

The CD is pretty brickwalled. Either way it was pretty noticeable.

 

Please read my entire posts and not selective portions. I have both a CD rip as well as my own personal 24-bit vinyl rip on my computer. This could be the rare example of where the CD version might been further remastered, and the vinyl might be objectively better, which is one of two reasons I listed that a vinyl of digitally mastered music might sound better. The CD could be brickwalled as you put it. I can't say for sure whether this has been the case, but in my opinion, the clarity of the analog version is definitely worse. It's not even close. Whereas the gap between digital and analog in some other records might be closer, this is one where the difference is actually extremely noticeable, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

The reason I like this particular album on vinyl, again, is because I like the tonality imparted by my rig, which it seems you do too as the improved bass is almost definitely from your rig, not the recording itself (reason #2 I listed in my previous post). So maybe we don't actually disagree at all. 

 

Ironically, sometimes I find Shrines to be way to shrill and fatiguing because that's how they intended the songs to be, so the smoother, mellowed sound of the vinyl rip is more acceptable to my ears, especially when listening with Grados. So in this case, the lack of the clarity helps listenability. But again, this isn't a virtue of the resolution of analog vs digital, and by pure coincidence, the loss of clarity increases my enjoyability.

 

EDIT: In case it wasn't entirely clear, I'm not talking about dynamics here, but rather the clarity of the music. 


Edited by tintin220 - 5/10/13 at 9:22pm
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There's something about those closed woodies, every time I see one I want to buy one.

 

 

 

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I'll just leave this right hereph34r.gif

 

Oh my, these are wonderful beyond words.

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I'll just leave this right hereph34r.gif

 

Oh my, these are wonderful beyond words.

Guess whats on my head right now?wink.gif

post #13375 of 18916
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Please read my entire posts and not selective portions. I have both a CD rip as well as my own personal 24-bit vinyl rip on my computer. This could be the rare example of where the CD version might been further remastered, and the vinyl might be objectively better, which is one of two reasons I listed that a vinyl of digitally mastered music might sound better. The CD could be brickwalled as you put it. I can't say for sure whether this has been the case, but in my opinion, the clarity of the analog version is definitely worse. It's not even close. Whereas the gap between digital and analog in some other records might be closer, this is one where the difference is actually extremely noticeable, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The reason I like this particular album on vinyl, again, is because I like the tonality imparted by my rig, which it seems you do too as the improved bass is almost definitely from your rig, not the recording itself (reason #2 I listed in my previous post). So maybe we don't actually disagree at all. 

Ironically, sometimes I find Shrines to be way to shrill and fatiguing because that's how they intended the songs to be, so the smoother, mellowed sound of the vinyl rip is more acceptable to my ears, especially when listening with Grados. So in this case, the lack of the clarity helps listenability. But again, this isn't a virtue of the resolution of analog vs digital, and by pure coincidence, the loss of clarity increases my enjoyability.

EDIT: In case it wasn't entirely clear, I'm not talking about dynamics here, but rather the clarity of the music. 

Clarity and dynamics tend to go hand in hand. Overly compressed music turns into a wall of sound while more dynamic music has more layering and as a result sounds clearer. For the genres I like best all of the music is brickwalled on CD so analog is the obvious choice for quality listening. Cassettes and records. I think you're right though. I like the colorations the tape medium imparts on my lo-res music; and while my vinyl rig has much the same sound signature as my digital I have a unipivot tonearm(this type of arm is known for artificially widening the soundstage) that I much enjoy. Still; digital has it's colorations as well: DACs, computers, disc spinners, and your music software for example.(You can shoot me for the last few but it's easy enough to test for yourself). Nothing in audio comes without any flavoring.

Sorry for bringing this thread so off topic. I'd post some pictures of my gear but I'm in the middle of some re-decorating. I'm going to be getting a recliner in the next few months, I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for chairs. I'm looking to spend under $700 and a swivel chair is a big plus.
Edited by MohawkUS - 5/10/13 at 9:58pm
post #13376 of 18916
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Originally Posted by tintin220 View Post

Please read my entire posts and not selective portions. I have both a CD rip as well as my own personal 24-bit vinyl rip on my computer. This could be the rare example of where the CD version might been further remastered, and the vinyl might be objectively better, which is one of two reasons I listed that a vinyl of digitally mastered music might sound better. The CD could be brickwalled as you put it. I can't say for sure whether this has been the case, but in my opinion, the clarity of the analog version is definitely worse. It's not even close. Whereas the gap between digital and analog in some other records might be closer, this is one where the difference is actually extremely noticeable, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The reason I like this particular album on vinyl, again, is because I like the tonality imparted by my rig, which it seems you do too as the improved bass is almost definitely from your rig, not the recording itself (reason #2 I listed in my previous post). So maybe we don't actually disagree at all. 

Ironically, sometimes I find Shrines to be way to shrill and fatiguing because that's how they intended the songs to be, so the smoother, mellowed sound of the vinyl rip is more acceptable to my ears, especially when listening with Grados. So in this case, the lack of the clarity helps listenability. But again, this isn't a virtue of the resolution of analog vs digital, and by pure coincidence, the loss of clarity increases my enjoyability.

EDIT: In case it wasn't entirely clear, I'm not talking about dynamics here, but rather the clarity of the music. 

I did read your whole post and only quoted the part I cared to. There's no reason to quote your entire wall of text. You'd be surprised how often in this day and age music still get seperate masters for each format. You seem to consider them unicorns, but they're not that rare at all.

While there are a fair share of CD masters on vinyl (see: laziness), there are plenty of vinyl releases that are far superior even though they're not analog front to back.

I don't think the mastering medium has anything to do with it. It's more about the quality and care put into the master.
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You'd be surprised how often in this day and age music still get seperate masters for each format. You seem to consider them unicorns, but they're not that rare at all.

 

I'm not surprised. I have many colleagues in the music industry in engineering roles, and this is blatantly false. The vast majority of vinyl releases today are poorly done and meant solely to be sold as premium novelties. I didn't say the good releases or separate masters (again, this was one of the two reasons I listed) don't exist, but they are rare. Look, I am merely pointing out facts. If you prefer not to believe these, that's your prerogative, just move along, but I am just trying to be informative and helpful to those who are interested in my knowledge. 

 

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I don't think the mastering medium has anything to do with it. It's more about the quality and care put into the master.

 

I'm going to use my photo analogy again, but it is as parallel as can be. Unless separate masters are involved, changing mediums from a digital master to analog (and then ripping back) will only introduce artifacts, just as if you printed a photo (and snapped a picture of it). The medium cannot create more range or quality if it didn't exist in the first place. Whether or not you like those artifacts is another issue altogether, but anything additional introduced by using the analog medium is still a result of artifacts.

 

To be clear, I never meant to imply the analog transfer is necessarily worse sounding or if it is, that the differences were necessarily significant or noticeable, but rather, my point is just that it certainly cannot be better than the original master, which will always be the limiting factor. If the digital master is suitable, then the vinyl will probably sound good too. If it's compressed to hell, the vinyl will have all the same limitations, but analog/vinyl can't make something out of nothing, so if one is buying a vinyl expecting it to sound better than the CD, chances are, they'll be disappointed.

 

As MohawkUS said, this is getting off topic. This is the last I have to say on this topic. Let's see more fancy rigs! smily_headphones1.gif


Edited by tintin220 - 5/10/13 at 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

 

"Miles?" You my friend, are justified :thumb: for taking time out of your busy schedule... TGIF!

Have a great weekend regular_smile%20.gif

 

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It's probably your cart more than your table. The Black is notourious for revealng pops, clicks, and general noise.

 

No, you're right.  The Nude Shibata stylus on the Black picks everything up.  That can be good and bad, but if I keep my LP's clean, it's mostly brilliant.

 

 

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Excellent selection for the evening :) How do Mim and Liv sound outta those LCD-2s? 

 

You're either Australian are an Electro House/Dance fan, but to answer your question, sweet wink.gif

 

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It would be amazing if you could tell me what you think of it when it is finally broken in.  and a 3 month wait?  I want one soooo bad but oh I don't know if that's a turn off or not.  But non the less the lust continues.  I have you tube rolled it yet?

 

I was floored when I put in my order to find out I had to wait (what turned out to be 2 months).  I didn't think I'd be able to do it, but I did, and it was worth  it.  There's a Decware Taboo MkIII thread where people who have had it longer than I (not by much) are writing their impressions.  I just started ordering tubes, so in the next few weeks I'll update my impressions there with that stuff.  The tubes that came with the Taboo work very well though.


Edited by OPR8R - 5/11/13 at 1:42am
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Apologies for staying off topic.. I'll post a pick of my cans asap :D

 

Just to add... I also have a 24 bit vinyl rip of one of my favorite all time albums Bob Marley's Natty Dread and I know this album very well. The vinyl rip is superior to me compared to any other cd version I've heard. Now this maybe the case that some older recordings welcome a little warmth and smoothness that vinyl gives, but I think it is more than just that. The richness and realness in Marley's vocals are better from the record, also the overall depth on everything. It just seems to be more organic sounding. The cd in comparison is clearly 'brighter' and sharper, but there is also an unwanted edge to both Marleys high notes and Andersons guitar. 

 

Granted that your equipment plays a big part in vinyl v's cd. I have to agree that there really is nothing like getting as near to the original analogue recording as possible. Even if paradoxically you are playing it through a digital medium. Especially recordings from the 70's and the peak of analogue recording methods, Floyd, Stones, Lennon, Marley, Zeppelin, Doors etc none of these should be messed with using digital remastering. IMO   


Edited by LugBug1 - 5/11/13 at 3:02am
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Basking in the sunshine! 

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