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AKG K518DJ recable

post #1 of 27
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Hi head-fi folks,

 

I'm considering about recabling my AKG K518DJ headphones. My idea is to make a litz braid of SPC navships 26awg wire (OD: .89mm) heatshrink it then use some paracord as sheating by taking the inner strands out.

 

So if  I have 4 wires of an overall diameter of .89mm and heatshrink above it, does a paracord fit above those? If yes: 3mm or 4mm paracord?

 

Thank you!

post #2 of 27

Navship's stuffs are great for internal wiring in amps but not really ideal for headphones' cables. It's quite stiff and more importantly, microphonic like heck. You might need large sleeve to do the job more easily. Something like 5 or 6mm would be better.

post #3 of 27
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I thought the 26 AWG navships would be fine... Hm... Then I should go with Mogami w2893 or something like that. But as I am in switzerland, I would need to buy it somewhere with worldwide shipping. Where could I buy that?

post #4 of 27

I'm not really sure but you should check with Redco. They do ship worlwide, but last time I checked, it's not really cheap.

post #5 of 27
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I think I'll use navships wire though. Redco is too expensive unfortunately. I would need some tubing or something similar for keeping the 4 navships wire together... Is heatshrink okay? Or should I use something other instead?

 

Thank you

post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by oezcan View Post

 I would need some tubing or something similar for keeping the 4 navships wire together... Is heatshrink okay? Or should I use something other instead?

 

Thank you

 

Heatshrink is very stiff, but if you use  short pieces at intervals, you should be OK. For sheathing, check out some light line from yachting (sailboat) supply stores. Most yacht line has very 'slippery' cores which are easily removed, and the sheath is a bit coarser than paracord so easier to work with. It can be tricky feeding the wire through the sheath, and the fine threads in paracord tended to 'catch' when I used it.

I've never used the 'litz' wire you're talking about, BTW.

 

John
 

post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 

it looks like it'll be too expensive using navships wire, unless I can use some inexpensive flexible  tube. My aim is to make a quad cable (sleeved with paracord). The part upon from the y-split would be dual-wall heat shrunken und sleeved with the same paracord. I just thought about using PVC tube, but I'd need the right diameter for a quad-twist (with wires of 0.89mm diameter).

 

Or should I go and buy some Canare L-4E5C for about 12$ incl. shipping ?

 

 

EDIT: Or what about thin-walled heat shrink?

 

EDIT2: What about this: quad twisted navships 26awg covered with 1/8 nylon multifilament -> y split done with dual walled heat shrink and the splitted part is twisted navships (2wire) covered with heatshrink AND nylon multifilament


Edited by oezcan - 12/22/10 at 7:26am
post #8 of 27

I would recommend going with the mogami or canare as well. I don't think navships wire would work well as headphone wire nor would be worth the effort to braid (for me anyway) given the alternative.

 

As another poster recommended, heatshrink should not be used to cover long lengths of wire if you want the wire to be flexible. That said, your second plan (if you go this route) should be fine only heatshrinking the Y-split. You will also need 3/8" (maybe 1/4") nylon filament not 1/8" for 4 wires and 3/16"  (maybe 1/8") for 2 wires. You also don't need to double heat shrink.

post #9 of 27
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Would I really need 1/4'' sleeving for a quad twist (wire thickness: 0.89mm) ? Wouldn't be that too big for a 26awg navships cable? Or should I buy "Pure Silver 9999 Stranded Wire 26AWG Teflon Audio Cable"

instead (from ebay) ? Or will a stranded copper cat5 cable do better in times of sound quality?

 

Best regards


Edited by oezcan - 12/23/10 at 7:08am
post #10 of 27

the navships wire is not at all suitable for headphone cables IMO, its simply THE MOST microphonic wire I have ever come across, the wire bundle is 26AWG, not the outer coating and the teflon coating on the navships stuff is quite thick, so yes you would need 1/4" nylon, you could possibly get away with 3/8, but I would hesitate, as others have mentioned you need to thread the wire up the sleeve and the friction, even on teflon of a long length is enough to make it a complete PITA.

 

to stop it from catching when you thread it, put some teflon tape, or heatshrink over the stripped end and ypou wont have this trouble.

 

the silver wire you mention, I looked it up on ebay and while the price is good, i'm thinking its NOS czech milspec wire, but it also has quite a thick teflon coat and is probably just as microphonic. it is being sold as audio wire, but I doubt it was specified as such when it was made. i'm tempted to grab some to check it out, as stranded pure silver is not often found and the price is good(although a little low in purity; someone will comment on me saying this but I mean in a relative sense) however I would not use it for headphone cables, possibly internal wiring, or for interconnects

post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 

Does anybody know if markertek ship to Europe? Shipping charges eventually?

 

And would cat5 stranded copper wire be better than navships? My aim is to make a headphone cable with a very good sound quality AND with a great flexibility and portability...

 

Are they any alternatives to teflon and mogami / canare cables for building headphone cable ?

 

post #12 of 27

I don't think Cat5 would work very well as it is very stiff. I've heard of it being used for speaker cable, but never for headphones. If you want to experiment (because it's cheap) I would go for cat6 as it is stranded and much more flexible. I don't think it would be the best fit for your situation though as you don't get a whole lot of conductor diameter in relation to the cable thickness.

I've used cat6 as speaker wire and wasn't impressed by the overall diameter of the budled connectors when I split it 4 pos and 4 neg. IIRC it didn't even get me to 20 AWG. I should have used cat5, but I didn't know the difference then.

post #13 of 27

I used navships teflon SPC and a nylon techflex like sleeve to recable K81DJ's.  The headphones sound much better to me and it was a definte upgrade.  However, like others have mentioned, the microphonics are quite something (loud) now.  It's not a big deal for me since I used the headphones at work and don't really move around too much.

post #14 of 27

is Mogami W2893 will be good for IEM recabling? is it microphonic? if price/performance ratio is put aside from the equation, which one is better..navships SPC wire or mogami?

post #15 of 27
The Moga 2893 is great, budget-wise cable. However, the jacket is still pretty thick and heavy for IEM's cable. Would be much better to strip the jack and braid the wires on your own. It's better than the navships stuffs for this purpose.
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