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UPDATE September 16, 2011:

 

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Dear all net-friends, customers and media:
 
First, I want to say thanks to all people who love and support FiiO, especially those friends who give us precious advice during the process of developing FiiO X3. But at the same time, I want to say sorry to all friends, because development of X3 has been frozen.
 
There are several reasons of freezing the development of X3. First: the supplier.  FiiO X3 using master chip and relative Firmware which are supposed to be provided by our suppliers ,but the supplier cannot give us qualified software within the limited time . Though we have granted them some days extension, they’re still unable to give us any predictable schedule. Secondly, the system is not so delicate in the present time. Take these reasons into consideration, we decided to freeze the X3 now , really sorry for that, hope all friends can understand us.

During the process of developing X3,in one hand, We want to express our thankfulness to all those who support and interact with us,
on the other hand ,I want to express the apologies to all. We don’t perform all promises because half of the resources of project X3 not all controlled by us. We will learn from this lesson. Before making a commitment, we will be preparing for everything and will not let all dear friends down.

As we all know these are normal problems that will be appeared during the development of projects. But this problems can not make us stop our plans on the development of DAP. Now we try to find more new resources and open platforms such as Android in order to develop more satisfactory products.

 

 

 

ETA: Indefinite.

 

Price range: $150-$170 :D

 

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"About our HD DAP, it will not expensive, and will be different to any current DAP ! but will have most special feacture which listed in preview replies!

 

I will post the outlook and main features before the end of this month!"

 

1, the size is about the same as E7, so it can really put into your pocket;

2, With line out/ coaxial digital out; I can find any other DAP have both output! of course there are Headphone out;

3, WM8740; depend on our E7, it is good enough to most of you! and in fact, it is almost the best solution to balance the cost, performance, playtime and size;

4, FiiO dock so you can dock it into our E9, we learn from Apple, it is a user friend design we learn from Apple!

5, Hardware key control!

6, folder/files browsing!

7, Not a ordinary solution like rockchip,

8, 320*240 TFT display so we can involve in some kind of music library like artist, album, cover and style!

 

We don't want to make a expensive DAP , but we also don't need to make some cheap DAP, what we wants to make is a total innovation, high quality, high performance,and affordable , slim DAP ( of course it can not compare with iPod or Sansa ).

Anyway, it is under developing, although the hardware is decided but we can still adopt lots of your request, for example about the Gapless playback, but we need to find out whether we can do it !"

 

"OK! just some updating!

 

1, We will put the gapless in our X3, and there may have a switcher option in the setup menu!

2, The X3 will not come with a earphone or headphone, you may need to buy one for yourself!

3, Of curse, I guess, there will have lots of combo, like X3+E9, X3+E11, X3+ E??(LOL, seems we need to develop a DAC AMP with coaxial in ), and X3+TF"

 

No internal memory; MICRO SD (Not SD.) cards are used, and SDXC is probably compatible, but nothing firm yet. (This is a guess by me and not an official statement.)

 

"We just decide to make a small change to our X3, so it will be more slim and a little longer! I hope we can put a large battery inside so the playtime can over 10 hours to 12 hours or even more! And X3 will support 192k/24b FLAC, WAV, APE. * 192k/24b need to be confirmed! In fact, we are carry a working sample but it is handwork prototype so the key is unreliable! but it do play 192k/24b music!"

 

Battery life: about 10 hours.

 

So, why would I get this over a J3 or something?

1. Coax/line out

2. Better (likely) DAC section, and likely HP out.

3. 192/24 support

4. Physical buttons, so operable in a pocket.

5. Seems to be affordable

 

Does none of that interest you? Then this is probably not the player for you.

 


Edited by Ishcabible - 9/28/11 at 10:33pm

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Yeah I'm really excited about this..James (Felao) said to start a new thread cuz the e11 thread kinda got all over the place..anyways if its anything like Filo it should be a quality Dap for a more than reasonable price!biggrin.gif

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Any info or pictures?
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Originally Posted by DittoBox View Post

Any info or pictures?

Not yet.
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I am not at liberty to really tell you any detail, but I guess we can get the discussion going in a right direction.

1) it is not an audiophiles player like HifiMan or ColorFly, it is a mass consumer level product with a few added audiophiles' feature. So user friendly is one of the main design goal, not be-all-end-all SQ. This has always been FiiO's philosophy regarding their own products

2) Most of the basic features people requested here will be covered in the original firmware. I know James already stated he will look into the possibility of using RockBox, but as far as I can tell, the need of using RB is slim as the original firmware seems to be very solid.

3) I don't think it will be RockChip based, so you won't need to worry about software weakness inherited from the RockChip platform (so this goes back to point #2).

I think it is a good idea to list down some features you would like to see. Do note that FiiO probably won't be able to get to all of them, but I guess a wish list for future DAP development would also be nice. Be realistic though, remember that it is just a consumer level product.
Edited by ClieOS - 12/17/10 at 10:52pm
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I figured if any head-fi member had any information on the dap it would be ClieOS.

 

I'm glad it's not based on the rockchip as for some reason every rockchip based player I know of is one of those "audiophile" dap where sound is first and everything else (battery,UI,etc) comes second.

 

I don't know what the stages for the new dap is as I haven't followed it closely but I know I can't afford another one unless I sell one of mine but that won't be for at least a month since I'm waiting for the N2 to come after the preorder period is over at mp4nation.

 

As for the dap I just want something around the size of a fuze with good battery life (20-30 or more) with flac and mp3 support, gapless and a usable 5 band EQ. Also something with buttons instead of touch screen would be nice although the trend has been going from buttons to touch screen over the last couple years.

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i hope it will have good DAC Chip(wolfson, etc) and line out like t51!! but with much better UI and stabile firmware of course wink.gif


Edited by i_djoel2000 - 12/17/10 at 11:11pm
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1. A decent DAC, doesn't matter if it's Wolfson or not, and it doesn't have to be like the S:Flo having two DACs and then a separate chip for the analog outputs; it can still sound really, really good as long as it has this and...

 

2. ...a 3.5mm lineout. Again, no need to use a separate DAC+opamp+headphone driver set-up. What's important is it will be convenient enough to use an amp with. It's harder to DIY an LOD, for one, and if it takes data via a USB port then the dock jack would be redundant.

 

3. Design the driver circuit to specifically handle 16ohm-32ohm, or if it's even possible from a marketing standpoint,12ohm-24ohm. My iPod Video was decent with IEMs until you crank it up, and there it gives a lot of volume but distorts too easily, and this isn't even a 3-driver universal-fit pro-grade IEM. I wouldn't walk around with a 300-ohm Sennheiser or 120-ohm AKG anyway, and IF I do use these on a portable player, I'd probably have it on a table with an amp.

 

4. Use the same enclosure as, or at least similar Length and Width,* as the E11. Same way home audio products in the same series are similar in width and depth but with varying height for stacking, or some Class D car audio amps using the same chassis throughout the series with "dockable" mounting screw points. Even if they can't lock/dock onto each other, it's a plus if they're the same width and length. Easier to stack and stick that way, as a narrower amp can sometimes make it problematic for a rubber strap to keep both in place.

 

5. Use the same battery as the E11, even if it's not as easily accessible. Should be beneficial for the production process, too.

 

6. A quick and stable UI. I don't need it to be Rockbox, but if adding gizmos will only slow it down, I'd prefer it be a straight-cut music player with an intuitive UI and buttons that won't be easily pummeled or faded by repeated searching for tracks.

 

7. Both headphone and line out 3.5mm jacks at the bottom as I have less cable issues managing cables with this set-up. 

 

*It's OK if it's thicker 

 

And for the "least-likely-to-happen:" integrate the E11's circuit for the headphone output. I can forgo the line-out this way though. Although this might result in a packaging nightmare now that most consumers won't buy anything thicker than an iPod or most Nokias unless it has web browsing.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

I am not at liberty to really tell you any detail, but I guess we can get the discussion going in a right direction.

1) it is not an audiophiles player like HifiMan or ColorFly, it is a mass consumer level product with a few added audiophiles' feature. So user friendly is one of the main design goal, not be-all-end-all SQ. This has always been FiiO's philosophy regarding their own products


I think it is a good idea to list down some features you would like to see. Do note that FiiO probably won't be able to get to all of them, but I guess a wish list for future DAP development would also be nice. Be realistic though, remember that it is just a consumer level product.

Edited by ProtegeManiac - 12/18/10 at 12:49am
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Not that I actually believe this could happen, but how cool would it be if it could dock on the E9 and be a standalone source/amp without the need of a PC? The USB could be used to charge it!

 

I mean, they're already developing an iPhone dock for the E9... Just sayin'. beyersmile.png


Edited by Riku540 - 12/18/10 at 12:53am
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I would personally like to see WM8740 (or at least something of the same class) on the new DAP, since it has already been used on E7. Also 24bit / 192kHz support would be nice, since WM8740 is capable of doing that.
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I say Rockbox would be a win.

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While we're all fantasizing, I'd like real buttons and a Cowon level EQ/DSP...

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BBE would be nice, but it will need licensing.
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post

3. Design the driver circuit to specifically handle 16ohm-32ohm, or if it's even possible from a marketing standpoint,12ohm-24ohm. My iPod Video was decent with IEMs until you crank it up, and there it gives a lot of volume but distorts too easily, and this isn't even a 3-driver universal-fit pro-grade IEM. I wouldn't walk around with a 300-ohm Sennheiser or 120-ohm AKG anyway, and IF I do use these on a portable player, I'd probably have it on a table with an amp.

 

I think regardless of whether the driver circuit is good or not, the most important part is the quality of the built in amp. For example, my iphone's internal amp is not necessarily underpowered, but higher frequencies sound harsh and congested, probably because the amp isn't processing those higher frequency signals well.
 

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i dont want hope too much because this is Fiio, who aim low-end market, something small and good price/performance like Sansa Clip is already enough for me

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