The FiiO X3 Thread UPDATE: Project Back On! Read the First Post for Information. - Page 228  

The Cowon J3's issue is a file limit. The X3 doesn't have a file limit. And we'll get a verifiable card size limit if & when the larger sized SDXC cards become available. Remember, FiiO can't confirm they'll work if they don't exist ATM.

Veering towards the iBasso as it's running a modified Android system, which means that I can load Spotify on it.

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Originally Posted by tds101 

The Cowon J3's issue is a file limit. The X3 doesn't have a file limit. And we'll get a verifiable card size limit if & when the larger sized SDXC cards become available. Remember, FiiO can't confirm they'll work if they don't exist ATM.

My point was, the SDXC standard (and cards up to 64gb in micro, and 256GB in CF) exists, so either the X3 will conform to the standard, or it won't.  SDHC is (confirmed) good up to 32GB... after that, it's anybodies guess if a larger capacity SDXC card will work.  So, is the X3 built to conform to SDHC or SDXC standards?  If it's the latter, then it should (in theory) be able to accept cards up to the theoretical 2TB limit.

Why build a new device in this day and age that would not at least conform to the most current standard that exists?

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Originally Posted by Hard Head 

My point was, the SDXC standard (and cards up to 64gb in micro, and 256GB in CF) exists, so either the X3 will conform to the standard, or it won't.  SDHC is (confirmed) good up to 32GB... after that, it's anybodies guess if a larger capacity SDXC card will work.  So, is the X3 built to conform to SDHC or SDXC standards?  If it's the latter, then it should (in theory) be able to accept cards up to the theoretical 2TB limit.

 

Why build a new device in this day and age that would not at least conform to the most current standard that exists?

I think the confusion with some manufacturers is that the current batch of sdxc cards aren't utilizing the new hardware configuration yet. When they do 99%, of the available "compatible" devices will no longer work with the sdxc cards. Then it'll all hit the fan. Until that occurs all sdxc cards will work when formatted correctly. I do understand why you'd like conformation tho,...future proofing!!! 

It isn't as simple as SDHC vs. SDXC - to make the transition from SDHC into SDXC easier, the SD association puts out some intermediate level within the SDXC standard. The current 'low speed' SDXC standard is meant to be pins and power compatible to the SDHC standard, by actually running at lower speed (the SDHC speed instead of full SDXC speed) which makes it less power demanding. That is why most up-to-date SDHC controller can read and write SDXC card - at least under 128GB should theoretically work in most case - but there is no guarantee. The real SDXC card (which is not common beside some concept products), the one that supports up 2TB in full speed, will need an extra power pin on the card and it will not be compatible to current SDHC reader and even some of the current SDXC reader that doesn't have that extra pins.

It is kind of a confusing era for SD standard, but it is mainly because of SD association trying to sell more cards before making the current SDHC products obsolete.

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Originally Posted by tds101 

I do understand why you'd like conformation tho,...future proofing!!! 

 BINGO!! 

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Originally Posted by ClieOS 

It isn't as simple as SDHC vs. SDXC - to make the transition from SDHC into SDXC easier, the SD association puts out some intermediate level within the SDXC standard. The current 'low speed' SDXC standard is meant to be pins and power compatible to the SDHC standard, by actually running at lower speed (the SDHC speed instead of full SDXC speed) which makes it less power demanding. That is why most up-to-date SDHC controller can read and write SDXC card - at least under 128GB should theoretically work in most case - but there is no guarantee. The real SDXC card (which is not common beside some concept products), the one that supports up 2TB in full speed, will need an extra power pin on the card and it will not be compatible to current SDHC reader and even some of the current SDXC reader that doesn't have that extra pins.

 

It is kind of a confusing era for SD standard, but it is mainly because of SD association trying to sell more cards before making the current SDHC products obsolete.

Thank you for that enlightening bit of info.  This explains quite a lot (and is par for the course for some companies trying to turn a profit by conning consumers into thinking we're getting the next generation devices).

So, I guess this means we should never expect to see the intermediate level cards in capacities higher than 64GB?  I mean, what would be the point of pushing that development further, rather than transitioning to the true SDXC standard?

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Originally Posted by Hard Head 

So, I guess this means we should never expect to see the intermediate level cards in capacities higher than 64GB?  I mean, what would be the point of pushing that development further, rather than transitioning to the true SDXC standard?

True SDXC gears are still very few and far between, mainly as concept gear or ask for over-the-top price. SD Association is concerned that the rushing of SDXC standard will destroy the current SDHC market, which is already dominating the removable memory world. Of course, they also want to protect their members who already have spent billions on SDHC product development. That's why they come out of the low speed SDXC to tie everything over, as it is still relatively easy just to change the firmware of the old SDHC reader to make it compatible to low speed SDXC (which is what most SDXC reader in the market are right now). I guess you can also say that the last few years of poor global economy also hold back the SDXC standard as most manufacturers are trying to play it safe with the old standard rather than investing into the new standard. The rapid development (and price dropping) of SSD and cloud storage also are not helping.

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Originally Posted by cyberalpha11 


Any idea what kind of DAC chip is used in X3?
Does X3 support 64GB micro SD card?
What is the anticipated sound quality in X3? Will it sound better than Colorfly C3 ?

FiiO has used mostly Wolfson chips, so I'll expect it will be a Wolfson in X3 as well, likely WM8740.

64GB should be supported, but we will have to wait till the final products to be sure.

Amp section should be close to that of E17 as announced before. I have no idea on how C3 sounds and can't give you any estimate.

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Originally Posted by ClieOS 

 

FiiO has used mostly Wolfson chips, so I'll expect it will be a Wolfson in X3 as well, likely WM8740.

 

64GB should be supported, but we will have to wait till the final products to be sure.

 

Amp section should be close to that of E17 as announced before. I have no idea on how C3 sounds and can't give you any estimate.

WM8740， and support 64GTF card but it should be format to FAT32.  and As I known ,t he Colorfly C3 has not individual DAC chip. the DAC is integrated in the Soc.

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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO 

 

WM8740， and support 64GTF card but it should be format to FAT32.  and As I known ,t he Colorfly C3 has not individual DAC chip. the DAC is integrated in the Soc.

Wolfson WM8740 DAC audio chip is very welcome!
The question here is how well can Fiio unleash the real potential of Wolfson WM8740 in X3?

My expectation on X3 is at least must be way better than C3 in term of sound quality but at affordable price.

Does anyone know when will Fiio X3 to be released to market?

I checked back the 1st thread about Fiio X3 was way back December 2010. 

It means more than 2 years has passed but Fiio X3 is still under "product development" ????