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post #76 of 208

Just received an email from Sensaphonic Japan CEO, Taka Masatsugu.

 

Their English website is up and open for orders:

http://www.j-phonic.com/

 

I'm ordering a pair soon ~

post #77 of 208

Is there any new feedback, or additional impressions, on the j-phonics?

 

I'm looking for an IEM that will cover stage monitoring for a bi-weekly gig (I play electric guitar) and also use with my iphone. I'm used to listening through studio monitors so I prefer something flat and full range.

 

Thanks.

 

Terry.

post #78 of 208

I have been listened to mine for a few days now and it is truly a great stage monitor, one of the best I have ever heard.

post #79 of 208

 

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

I have been listened to mine for a few days now and it is truly a great stage monitor, one of the best I have ever heard.


How did they perform against other stage monitors like UM3X or SM3?? Even better??

post #80 of 208

Indeed SM3 comparisons or something got dammit. rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif

 

This indeed looks comfy I wonder can they beat my Eterna in most comfortable universal. Hmmm we shall see. 


Edited by Confispect - 3/9/11 at 8:42am
post #81 of 208

 

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Originally Posted by W1CKED View Post

How did they perform against other stage monitors like UM3X or SM3?? Even better??


I haven't listened to SM3 and can only recall how UM3X sounded like (and mind you, from quite a while ago). UM3X is more forward and intimate overall, especially on the mid. K2 SP (which is the actual name for this model) has a much wider soundstage, close to being some of the best I have heard with any BA based IEM. It renders space very well, and needless to say, has a very good imaging and separation. It is sort of an Westone sound mixes with the lightness and air from a Phonak PFE. Since I don't have them on direct comparison, I don't want to say which is better - but overall I feel strongly that they are offering the same level of sound, or at least very close.

 

post #82 of 208

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

I have been listened to mine for a few days now and it is truly a great stage monitor

 

While I have a long history of using high end audio equipment, I am completely new to headphones and IEM's. When the term "stage monitor" is used in the context of an IEM, does it generally refer to an IEM that has a very neutral, uncoloured sound? If not, what does it typically mean?

 

Thanks all.

 

Terry.

post #83 of 208

A neutral uncolored sound is not necessary. Stage Monitors are tools for musicians to use in the stage and there are still sound preferences to be considered. Most of the time it's said that a smooth non fatiguing treble, forward mid-range and excellent imaging are preferred aspects for this use but some may want the former sound-sig (or another) mentioned.   From what I've read the UM3X is the epitome of the latter sound and the SM3 gets close to that with some added fun.  

Originally Posted by Tone Seeker View Post

 

While I have a long history of using high end audio equipment, I am completely new to headphones and IEM's. When the term "stage monitor" is used in the context of an IEM, does it generally refer to an IEM that has a very neutral, uncoloured sound? If not, what does it typically mean?

 

Thanks all.

 

Terry.



 

post #84 of 208


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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

A neutral uncolored sound is not necessary. Stage Monitors are tools for musicians to use in the stage and there are still sound preferences to be considered. Most of the time it's said that a smooth non fatiguing treble, forward mid-range and excellent imaging are preferred aspects for this use but some may want the former sound-sig (or another) mentioned.   From what I've read the UM3X is the epitome of the latter sound and the SM3 gets close to that with some added fun.  

 

To be sure I have followed you correctly, is the UM3X is the epitome of neutral sound?

 

I'm familiar with traditional monitor wedges purposefully having more mid-range content. That is especially helpful for singers, and I assume that's what a forward mid-range means.

 

In contrast, I'm actually looking for an uncoloured, flat IEM for stage use (and also for general listening). I play guitar and I develop all my tones using a guitar processor on a flat response set of nearfield studio monitors. I want to use the same patches live, through my IEM's. As much as possible, I need the IEM's and studio monitors to match (e.g both flat). As you've noted, excellent imaging would also be very useful.

 

I'm hoping that the j-phonics meet my criteria but if not, I appreciate the UM3X suggestion.

 

Thanks.

 

Terry.

post #85 of 208

1. Not it's the epitome of what a stage monitor sound may be like and the UM3X isn't trying to be as flat as say the ER4S. Matter of fact it's colored to match a stage-use preference. Stage Monitor sound is different than a "reference" type of sound

2. yes, that's what a forward midrange is

3. The Sensaphonics may be just that (aside from a peak in the higher regions) according to shigzeo's review. You seem to be after a "reference" type of sound, I would look into the CK10,ER4S and perhaps these. 


Edited by Inks - 3/8/11 at 11:00pm
post #86 of 208

Hi Terry, Welcome to HF and sorry about your wallet. For a concise description of some of the major sound signatures, click on the link in my sig. on the Multi-IEM comparison. You don't need to read the whole thing, just description on each of the sound signature is enough. While you at it, also check on the link on the first post in that thread, one that points to article I wrote about neutral vs. natural.

 

In short, having maximum flatness in IEM is considered by many to be undesirable for stage usage. A decent stage monitor always add a little warm back to the sound and has a gentle treble presentation, or else lister will get fatigue very fast because a neutral (and often analytical) sound will require / draw too much attention from the listener. Another big reason is, what measured flat in IEM are often not perceived as flat by the brain due to HRTF (this applies to headphone as well). Of course, different listening habit and requirement must be considered as well. When it comes to stage use, the general rule of thumb is to always ask the FOH to EQ the sound to suit what you are looking for. One thing to keep in mind is, studio monitor (speaker) and monitor use headphone (including IEM) operates differently because the proximity to the ears (and what has been eliminated in between - the environment). So the rig will need to be adjusted accordingly.


Edited by ClieOS - 3/8/11 at 11:01pm
post #87 of 208
Thread Starter 

The MX version has pretty slanted treble, if only because it slants down, while the SP has more treble presence. Neither is going for the Etymotic sound, which has a giant peak in the upper frequencies. Both are neutral, but not flat, with great mid ranges, clear highs, but most emphasis in the middle and the low. 

 

Amazing, and as a full package, I'd take these over the SM3 for stage monitoring. For audiophiles, the SP will be more pleasing, and sounds great. The SM3 is a bit more 'liquid' than the j-Phonics, but both are killer. I expect the j-Phonics to last longer, however, as an earphone as its build quality is overall, higher.

post #88 of 208

Inks. . .  thanks for the feedback and suggestions.

 

ClieOS. . . .  wow, you've put together some excellent information. What sound signature do you consider the j-phonics to be?

 

shigzeo. . .  thanks for your original review. It's the one that pulled me into this thread.

 

I will give some serious thought to the kind of sound signature that I need. I don't have a sub woofer, but my little 7" Dynaudio nearfields have a good, solid bass, which is an accomplishment considering their size. My guitar sounds great through them. Conversely, my guitar sounds thin and quite distasteful though my really old set of inexpensive Koss headphones.

 

Terry.

post #89 of 208

 

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ClieOS. . . .  wow, you've put together some excellent information. What sound signature do you consider the j-phonics to be?

 

It is a Warm + Sweet for me.
 

 

post #90 of 208

^ warm? not UM3x warm, right??

 

so far, bigger soundstage than UM3x, less forward mids, more treble presence

 

sounded kinda like W4 to me, can shigzeo compare j-phonics to the W4's and/or UM3x

I own the W4 and have extended listening sessions with UM3x so the comparison should make me feel comfortable enough to order them :)


Edited by W1CKED - 3/9/11 at 12:02pm
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