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post #721 of 951

Makes sense that there would be some increase. High-res USB implementation AND balanced outputs? That's worth a couple hundred more perhaps. Just a guess. I have to admit I felt intense jealousy for a few seconds about the balanced outputs. Then I realized I'm so happy with the Peak/Volcano that I wouldn't be taking advantage of them anyway. But this is great news for those who waited. 

 

I guess we can gather from MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS that the USB/Spdif converter for rev1 will arrive WITHIN a few months? Again, just guessing. 

post #722 of 951
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I guess we can gather from MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS that the USB/Spdif converter for rev1 will arrive WITHIN a few months? Again, just guessing. 



Yeah. It should be here in a few monthsbigsmile_face.gif

post #723 of 951

Balanced?  wow, that's a big surprise and I'd expect that to cost more than a few $hundred more. Of course, there's a big difference in having a truely balanced path from the DACs thru the amp and simply having a balanced output.  If they were to go fully balanced I'd figure they'd just offer 2 models - that could be a huge update.

post #724 of 951

^ Good point. Although they seem to be speaking mainly of a *replacement* for the D-1, the possibility exists for more than a one model offering. The fully balanced option would be welcome I think.

post #725 of 951

In my opinion a fully balanced option is coming in contradiction with Anedio's moto that sounds like "Affordable High-End for everybody" ...

 

If only there were a chance to lower down the costs by reducing some of anedio's theatures like Amp section or less sparky design...


Edited by AlexRoma - 9/9/11 at 2:56pm
post #726 of 951
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Originally Posted by AlexRoma View Post

In my opinion a fully balanced option is coming in contradiction with Anedio's moto that sounds like "Affordable High-End for everybody" ...

 

If only there were a chance to lower down the costs by reducing some of anedio's theatures like Amp section or less sparky design...



Now that the cat is out of the bag on that aspect of the upgrade, I guess I can talk about it. 

 

Balanced design is a complex topic. Most people seem to think that using XLR cables equates to balanced operation and that's all there is to it. Further research will show that not to be the case. Many designs (Cambridge DacMagic for example) feature XLR outputs without balanced internal circuitry. Some designs are the opposite - the Lead Audio LA-200 operates in balanced differential mode internally but then converts to single ended at the output stage, and does not feature XLR outputs. 

 

As far as I understand it, the D1 refresh is not going to be fully balanced. James told me there would be "no drastic changes in basic circuit architecture". I think redoing the whole thing to be full balanced would qualify as a drastic change. Instead, what we have here is an upgrade of convenience. Studio gear typically uses XLR connections. Some higher end amps also sound better when fed from their XLR input. The obvious missing feature of the original Anedio D1 was the ability to interface with those types of devices. The refresh will solve this problem while hopefully staying true to the "affordable high-end" ideology. Remember - the typical customer for Anedio is concerned with sound quality first, and likely won't care about the claim of "true balanced design" as long as the sound remains consistently high quality for every connection. 

 

James did tell me that one main source of cost overruns was the enclosure. Just looking at it, it is obviously more complex and costly than a simple black box would have been, in the style of Audio GD or Eastern Electric. I suspect that they will try to offset the costs of some of these new extra features by spending less on the enclosure. It remains to be seen if there will be a complete redesign or just minor tweaks for manufacturing efficiency. 

 

post #727 of 951
IMHO, the current enclosure of the D1 is needlessly fancy, especially the blue lights.smily_headphones1.gif
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What you have described is almost exactly the same as my experience with the GS-X.   I think this will become even more apparent as you get more listening time with the GS-1.   These two Headamp amps seem to be an ideal match for the D1 dac.  What really pleases me is that I had previously used both a Benchmark DAC1-USB and Bryston BDA1 with the GS-X and was not happy at all with either and was almost ready to put my GS-X up for sale!    At least for me, it really drives home the importance of dac/amp synergy. 



 

 

Agree, synergy of the D-1 with the GS-1 is strong. I'm finding that the GS-1 is no less forgiving than the D-1 HPA, and that with more a dynamic and controlled sound top to bottom. 

 

At the moment the GS-X seems a likely upgrade path, although probably some time next year. With the news that Anedio will not be introducing a fully balanced design, it would be nice to find a balanced alternative, but that might prove a difficult task as the Anedio has raised the bar considerably. 

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James did tell me that one main source of cost overruns was the enclosure. Just looking at it, it is obviously more complex and costly than a simple black box would have been, in the style of Audio GD or Eastern Electric. 


Having had both an Anedio and an EE, I felt the EE certainly had a higher degree of fit and finish.  I really saw no flaws w/ the EE.  While distinct, the casework of the Anedio had a rough finish, some minor tooling marks, the cut of the area behind the faceplate was uneven, the entire case itself was bowed a bit down the middle.  When picking up both the EE just felt more solid.  While none of this was to any great degree and while I thought the Anedio's design was quite cool, IMO on close inspection it had a bit of a DIY vibe, like a cheap hammond enclosure.  


Edited by bobeau - 9/10/11 at 11:39am
post #730 of 951

I think going balanced is not such a big deal with the D1 as the Sabre chip it's based on can be run in up to 8-channels mode so all you need to do is double the amplifiers in the output analog stage. 

post #731 of 951
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Quote:Agree, synergy of the D-1 with the GS-1 is strong. I'm finding that the GS-1 is no less forgiving than the D-1 HPA, and that with more a dynamic and controlled sound top to bottom. 

 

At the moment the GS-X seems a likely upgrade path, although probably some time next year. With the news that Anedio will not be introducing a fully balanced design, it would be nice to find a balanced alternative, but that might prove a difficult task as the Anedio has raised the bar considerably. 


I have a Meier Concerto that I don't even use because it doesn't sound any different than just using the D1 HPA.

I don't understand this forum's infatuation with balanced, especially considering no headphone I know of even comes from the factory in balanced configuration, and the actual audible benefits are arguable and miniscule. It's all you read in the Schiit DAC thread too "give me balanced!"... why?... Unnecessary expense. To each their own.
post #732 of 951
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I have a Meier Concerto that I don't even use because it doesn't sound any different than just using the D1 HPA.

I don't understand this forum's infatuation with balanced, especially considering no headphone I know of even comes from the factory in balanced configuration, and the actual audible benefits are arguable and miniscule. It's all you read in the Schiit DAC thread too "give me balanced!"... why?... Unnecessary expense. To each their own.


In actually I have no ears-on-experience with balanced. My attitude is if the GS-X is a balanced amp, and I end up picking one up, then then perhaps I should give it a go.

post #733 of 951
No doubt! Just crazy to me all the people demanding a manufacturer create a balanced option for them lol. I was at a toss-up between a GS-1 and a Concerto, but the latter was much cheaper on the used market and I wanted to try the cross-talk anyways.
post #734 of 951

Yeah I'm flexible, as The Apex Peak and Arete (with Volcano PS) are also on the short list, and those are SE. Based on its synergy with the GS-1, I'd be willing to guess that the D-1 should also do well with the Apex amps.

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Originally Posted by MarioImpemba View Post

No doubt! Just crazy to me all the people demanding a manufacturer create a balanced option for them lol. I was at a toss-up between a GS-1 and a Concerto, but the latter was much cheaper on the used market and I wanted to try the cross-talk anyways.

To me, having a balanced output is just for the convenience of easily plugging active studio monitors into the DAC; besides, having several meters of line level signal in an unbalanced cable can sometimes be tricky biggrin.gif
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