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Project86-you are truly one of a handful of people who's contributions keep this great site thriving! Thanks from me and hundreds of others I'm sure.atsmile.gif

...but more questions lol. Did you ever get a chance to hear the AD2000 on a Zana Deux? Just wondering if you had any thoughts on that compared to the Svetlana for any low impedance/high sensitivity headphones for that matter. Thanks.

 

-Daniel

 

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Project86-you are truly one of a handful of people who's contributions keep this great site thriving! Thanks from me and hundreds of others I'm sure.atsmile.gif

...but more questions lol. Did you ever get a chance to hear the AD2000 on a Zana Deux? Just wondering if you had any thoughts on that compared to the Svetlana for any low impedance/high sensitivity headphones for that matter. Thanks.

 

-Daniel

 

 

Thank you, that's very kind of you to say. There are tons of people around here who contribute to this site by an enormous amount - lJokerl, HeadPhoneAddict, Average_Joe, Skylab, and several dozen others - I'm just having fun doing my share. I also appreciate the hundreds or even thousands of other users who do just a single review here or there. Especially when they are very expressive and articulate (I'm thinking of user WarriorAnt with his excellent descriptions of the Violectric V200, W4S DAC2, and LCD-2 for example). But really any little post about your experience, good or bad, is a valuable contribution.

 

I've never experienced the Zana Deux myself. But we should probably take any discussion about the Svetlana amp to the proper thread. 

 

 

Now, on a totally unrelated topic: I have a minor update from Anedio regarding their progress.

 

James says the USB to SPDIF converter is "almost there", and they are basically just waiting for it to clear electromagnetic compatibility testing. To reiterate - this is an asynchronous hi-res USB to SPDIF converter that should compete with some of the best out there. James mentioned jitter measurements of around 15 ps RMS, which is basically at the limits of the measuring devices themselves. The only competing product out there (that I'm aware of) with slightly better specs are the Audiophilleo models. I don't know what the price will be on the Anedio converter but I suspect it will be significantly lower than the $579 Audiophilleo 2. 
 

For the refreshed model of the DAC - James says things are "proceeding well". He is currently working on "...making detailed computer models of power supplies, especially paying close attention to secondary effects due to wiring and ground planes. It’s a time consuming process to verify that the computer models actually represent the reality. But the effort, even if it falls short in precision, usually pays off in the depth of insight." He said he did this same thing with the original D1 but felt it should be revisited for the refresh, either due to changes or just to spend even more time on it. He closed by saying "All in all, it’s coming together, but still too early to give a release date". So that sounds promising to me. I would like to see it come out some time prior to 2012, but I really have no idea if that is a realistic estimate or not. 

 

I'll continue to post updates as they are available.

 

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Thank you, that's very kind of you to say. There are tons of people around here who contribute to this site by an enormous amount - lJokerl, HeadPhoneAddict, Average_Joe, Skylab, and several dozen others - I'm just having fun doing my share. I also appreciate the hundreds or even thousands of other users who do just a single review here or there. Especially when they are very expressive and articulate (I'm thinking of user WarriorAnt with his excellent descriptions of the Violectric V200, W4S DAC2, and LCD-2 for example). But really any little post about your experience, good or bad, is a valuable contribution.

 

I've never experienced the Zana Deux myself. But we should probably take any discussion about the Svetlana amp to the proper thread. 

 

 

Now, on a totally unrelated topic: I have a minor update from Anedio regarding their progress.

 

James says the USB to SPDIF converter is "almost there", and they are basically just waiting for it to clear electromagnetic compatibility testing. To reiterate - this is an asynchronous hi-res USB to SPDIF converter that should compete with some of the best out there. James mentioned jitter measurements of around 15 ps RMS, which is basically at the limits of the measuring devices themselves. The only competing product out there (that I'm aware of) with slightly better specs are the Audiophilleo models. I don't know what the price will be on the Anedio converter but I suspect it will be significantly lower than the $579 Audiophilleo 2. 
 

For the refreshed model of the DAC - James says things are "proceeding well". He is currently working on "...making detailed computer models of power supplies, especially paying close attention to secondary effects due to wiring and ground planes. It’s a time consuming process to verify that the computer models actually represent the reality. But the effort, even if it falls short in precision, usually pays off in the depth of insight." He said he did this same thing with the original D1 but felt it should be revisited for the refresh, either due to changes or just to spend even more time on it. He closed by saying "All in all, it’s coming together, but still too early to give a release date". So that sounds promising to me. I would like to see it come out some time prior to 2012, but I really have no idea if that is a realistic estimate or not. 

 

I'll continue to post updates as they are available.

 


Thanks for keeping us in the know project86. I wonder when this is ready for shipping will it just show up on their merchant page or will all buyers be notified personally? I would guess the latter.

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James says the USB to SPDIF converter is "almost there", and they are basically just waiting for it to clear electromagnetic compatibility testing. To reiterate - this is an asynchronous hi-res USB to SPDIF converter that should compete with some of the best out there. 
 


Thanks for the updates.  Do you happen to know if this device be powered by USB, externally powered, or battery powered?  I probably will be getting a DI sometime soon w/ the jkeny Mk3 currently in my sights (~$500US).   That said, this seems like such a nascent area of development I'm a bit worried to spend that much.


Edited by bobeau - 7/24/11 at 12:53pm
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My guess is external. I doubt the usb bus could supply to needed power for the conversion, and a battery is usually only used when the device is portable to some degree, The D1 is anything but portable. 

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My guess is external. I doubt the usb bus could supply to needed power for the conversion, and a battery is usually only used when the device is portable to some degree, The D1 is anything but portable. 


These async devices exist in all configurations... using the HiFace as an example, the stock unit is USB powered, jkeny mk1 wall powered, mk2 is combo wall/battery powered, w/ mk3 battery powered completely off the grid.  The quality of power filtering appears to be one of the main differentiators between these types of units.  

 

I have no experience with any of these though, currently using a 10 year old Theta Line Conditioner that converts toslink to coax, supposedly reduces jitter to some degree & powered by a cheapo wall wart.  People claim to hear differences, saw some report on the Audiophilio mentioned above to have significant sonic improvements by DIY conversion to battery power.  My Ack Dack 2.0 is fully battery powered and in my estimation throws the blackest background I've ever heard in a DAC, but I've never heard it powered any other way and I'm not sure if there are other reasons for this.

 

Granted, if designed to be paired only with the D1 this may be a moot point, no need to over-engineer something if the device immediately downstream can already do the heavy lifting admirably. 


Edited by bobeau - 7/24/11 at 1:57pm
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Thanks for keeping us in the know project86. I wonder when this is ready for shipping will it just show up on their merchant page or will all buyers be notified personally? I would guess the latter.

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Good question - I don't know. Maybe both? It will probably go up on the website, and notification will also be made to D1 customers with instructions for ordering it at the special lower price that James has promised. Before anyone asks.... I don't know what the regular price will be and I don't know what the D1 owner discount will be either. I do know that it will be somewhat plain looking in order to keep costs down. 

 

 

As far as power, James has never mentioned that. As you can see from my earlier update about the D1 refresh and the computer models for the power supply, Anedio clearly takes power supplies very seriously. At the same time, I imagine they will be pragmatic about keeping cost of the converter box down. Keep in mind that this converter is ultimately meant to be paired with the D1, which has excellent jitter rejection abilities already. There's no sense in Anedio chasing extreme performance from the unit, just to assist people who might be using it with different DACs that don't have great jitter control. There might be a time for that down the road but it isn't now with this particular release.

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As far as power, James has never mentioned that. As you can see from my earlier update about the D1 refresh and the computer models for the power supply, Anedio clearly takes power supplies very seriously. At the same time, I imagine they will be pragmatic about keeping cost of the converter box down. Keep in mind that this converter is ultimately meant to be paired with the D1, which has excellent jitter rejection abilities already. There's no sense in Anedio chasing extreme performance from the unit, just to assist people who might be using it with different DACs that don't have great jitter control. There might be a time for that down the road but it isn't now with this particular release.



I was the one behind the scene to motivate James to revisit the power supply.  Even though I don't have the D1, but by looking at the pics you posted, I can see that the current design is on the weaker side.  I can assure you that once power is cleaned up, there will be a lot more to be had.  Mostly you'll hear a much more three dimensional sound stage, longer decay on vocals/instruments, vastly improved reverb and even more clarity but without any brightness.

 


Edited by Viper2001 - 7/25/11 at 5:56pm
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Can the lights be turned off? Audio gear with lights, that can't be turned off...annoying, especially blue light.

 

Edit: Found out that it can't be done...


Edited by UtzY - 7/31/11 at 8:19am
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Can the lights be turned off? Audio gear with lights, that can't be turned off...annoying, especially blue light.

 

Edit: Found out that it can't be done...

 

It's possible to have Anedio ship the unit with the light off. 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 7/26/2011 2:20 AM, Daniel wrote:

Hi!
Please, if you are still at updating your DAC (Anedio D1 DAC) consider a
way to cut the lights off (a switch or something)...I find them
annoying...This way, I think, your product will look somewhat professional.
This feature held me back from buying it.

Respect,
Daniel

Hello Daniel,

Thank you very much for your interest in our product, and thank you for your suggestion.  Your suggestion has been passed onto our designers.

Best Regards,

Elisabeth
Customer Service
Anedio, LLC

 

 

Hope I didn't upset anyone here on forums! redface.gif

 

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That's a valid suggestion, I'm sure they appreciate hearing it. It was brought up in this thread earlier and someone mentioned that Anedio offered to disable it for them if desired. 

 

The new refreshed version will have a redesigned enclosure so the lights may not even be around in the future. We'll see. 

post #673 of 951

Has it been compared to the W4S Dac2? Much difference?

post #674 of 951

Just wanna say thanks project86.  Based on this review I got myself a used D1 to use as my dedicated DAC (the hifiman 801 lacking optical input broke the deal)

post #675 of 951

After reading the thread I went to their site and found they have a few refurbished D1's listed, $1090 + shipping; well they have one less for sale as of today.

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