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post #496 of 951
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Good question - but I don't know the answer at this point. I imagine it is possible, and likely even something they would want to offer.... but wanting to do it and having the resources to handle it are two different things. 

 

After my last post, I kind of felt guilty. Maybe I wasn't supposed to say anything at all. So I sent a message to James to double check. When I hear back from him I'll either delete the info or talk more about it. We'll see.

 

I certainly don't want to be seen as the "mouthpiece" for the company, since I'm not affiliated with them. But it would be helpful if I could post info here when relevant so they can keep working and not be bombarded with the same questions over and over via email. I can't imagine how many inquiries they must receive, many of them making the same inquiries, and that takes time away from designing and building.


Edited by project86 - 6/7/11 at 11:57am
post #497 of 951

That is why I did not email him. Having one person as a point of contact just makes good sense. James is busy  as it is without having to answer emails. He is certainly a fine gentlemen as he has always replied to mine even before I was an owner. I am pleased by his success-he certainly builds the finest product I have found for any reasonble amount of money. I could have spent far more but now am glad that I did not.

post #498 of 951
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Us owners of the current D1 should hopefully not feel too left out - the refreshed version is not adding anything revolutionary. If the refresh involved something like dual stacked ES9018 chips then it would be different. But then again that would not be considered a refresh but rather a higher model. As it stands, we chose the D1 because its feature set met our needs, so added features on a newer version  shouldn't change that fact. 


 

In all honesty after reading the info in the initial part of your post, the first thought that came to mind was to send my D1 back for refund. It is barely one week old, but that with conscience I cannot do. I bought the D1 based on my own needs and timing, and now have a DAC that completes my system very closely to my expectations. 

 

The original plan was to begin a run through with various USB > SPDIF converters for completion. I gave up that idea about 3 days after I received my D1, and will hopefully wait for James' USB > SPDIF solution. 

 

As for the "dual stacked ES9018 chips" and such, I do hope that Anedio can and will come up with a higher level DAC. I am still in the relearn and upgrade-mode, and expect to move the entire system to another level within a year or so. Many thanks to project86 for his initiative in trying the D1, sharing his find, and for his talent in communicating the audio experience.  


Edited by pigmode - 6/8/11 at 1:02pm
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As for the "dual stacked ES9018 chips" and such, I do hope that Anedio can and will come up with a higher level DAC. I am still in the relearn and upgrade-mode, and expect to move the entire system to another level within a year or so. Many thanks to project86 for his initiative in trying the D1, sharing his find, and for his talent in communicating the audio experience.  



The signal to noise ratio is already through the roof and I'm doubtful that dual stacked chips would give any audiable improvements. I'd be more interested in an output stage operating in pure class A, I think that might be more interesting.

post #500 of 951
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The signal to noise ratio is already through the roof and I'm doubtful that dual stacked chips would give any audiable improvements. I'd be more interested in an output stage operating in pure class A, I think that might be more interesting.


I agree with TwoEars here. I think the current D1 is already very good technically. Some here talked about big improvements for the future. I think in this class we could at best expect notable/subtle improvements. The next D1 would probably fix some 'shortcomings' in its handling as a DAC for practical use.

 

Slighty offtopic.. I didn't really liked the feet that has a sharp point. It can damage the surface you put it on. Flat would be better wink.gif

 


Edited by cky8 - 6/9/11 at 6:41am
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Slighty offtopic.. I didn't really liked the feet that has a sharp point. It can damage the surface you put it on. Flat would be better wink.gif

 

 

Yeah I voiced that concern to Anedio as well. Some rubber feet would have been more practical.   


 

 

post #502 of 951
^ But none of the real audiophiles will take it seriously if it doesn't have conical feet! wink.gif
post #503 of 951
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The signal to noise ratio is already through the roof and I'm doubtful that dual stacked chips would give any audiable improvements. I'd be more interested in an output stage operating in pure class A, I think that might be more interesting.

 

 

 

Absolutely, that would come under "and such".


 

 

 

 

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I agree with TwoEars here. I think the current D1 is already very good technically. Some here talked about big improvements for the future. I think in this class we could at best expect notable/subtle improvements. The next D1 would probably fix some 'shortcomings' in its handling as a DAC for practical use.

 

Slighty offtopic.. I didn't really liked the feet that has a sharp point. It can damage the surface you put it on. Flat would be better wink.gif

 

 

 

 

Sonically at this level of digital components, "subtle improvements" can be very significant in the overall listening experience. For myself I can say that is true.

post #504 of 951

@pigmode

In that perspective I'll certainly give you credit for that wink.gif

 

post #505 of 951

As a brand new owner of the D1, I couldn't be happier with this product "as is".  However given the advent of an updated version of the D1, I'm sure what a lot of D1 owners would like to see is an "upgrade" program -- similar to what Ayre has done for some of their products.   I myself would not be averse to sending back my D1 to be updated for a reasonable fee.   

post #506 of 951

^+1

post #507 of 951
^ +2

First time in Head-Fi early adoption has done me wrong. We still don't what the improvements are other than the USB implementation though.
post #508 of 951

I find the limiting factor is still program material. With a DAC as revealing as the Anedio, small improvements may or may not be significant. Improvements can always be made in any piece of equipment (James would be the first to agree with this) but the audibility is in question. Is it better or just different? In the classical arena, most of the great recording engineers are dead as are most of the great conductors. You will note I said most, not all. Folks like Doug Sax, Keith Johnson, and Peter McGrath are still with us and still turning out really great recordings. I think 96/192 holds great promise, but beyond that we may find that transducers (mikes and speakers/hp) are the limiting factor. The energy conversion from mechanical to electrical is much more difficult than transformations within the electrical realm. I am listening thru ortho hps and Paradigm Sig S1v3s. I have given up on planers for speakers, finding minimonitors or point source reproduction to be much more accurate, especially in a high resolution system. James listens thru electrostats as I did for many years.If any improvements in SQ are possible, he will implement them. Some "improvements" measure better, but make no real difference in perceived SQ. I trust him to make any changes that will be audibly significant. I do think any improvements will be in the soundstage area, where hps are,alas, not a good reference.

post #509 of 951

This way lies madness. Deep Breaths.

 

This updated D1 mentioned is vaporware. And if it did exist, it would retail for over 3k with all the features we've added via our imagination.

The main selling point of the D1 is it is a perfect balance of quality and value. Of course they will implement internal 24/192 USB in the next model, and it will be priced accordingly. Of course there will be balanced version at some point in the future, and the price will reflect that feature, and so on...

 

I bought the D1 because it's arguably the best dac for the money "available right now" (or at least till it sold out). I did want good USB implementation which they admitted to not having and have been working to provide a solution for their existing customers at a discount. And I think we all knew about this before we bought it.

 

As for dual sabre chips, and affordable trade-in upgrades, all I can say is NOT TILL THEY INSTALL THE JET PACK ENGINE I REQUESTED so that I can use my D1 to fly to work. 

 

But seriously, I'm not mocking anyone or trying to be funny other than to make a point. The point is we all buy the best we can afford given the market selection currently available. Right now if all you can afford to spend is 1300 bucks on a dac (that's me!), then the D1 is an excellent option. What makes the D1 so impressive is that some reviewers claim that even if you could afford 2-3k for a dac (not me!), the D1 is still arguably the best option. And that to me screams value. 

 

 

 

 

post #510 of 951

That's right, there'll always be something better around. I thought perhaps it wasn't the "optimal" time to buy a new DAC since I knew there were several new DACs on the way from other vendors, I also knew that Anedio was working on new products. However I wanted a top DAC now and that I got.

 

KevinWolf, have you gotten your LCD-2's to go the the D1 yet? smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

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