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The USPS does surprise from time to time, and this was one of those occasions. Coming home yesterday afternoon after a long and hard day out on the ocean under the summer sun, there on the sofa sat a familiarly sized box plastered with Express Mail and Fragile stickers. 

 

After the usual household routines, the D1 was quickly assimilated into my system. I woke up 8 h later to the voice of Nora Jones. More later...


Will be interesting to hear what you have to say :-)

 

post #422 of 951
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His very first experience with it and it puts him to sleep! Typical boring clinical Sabre DAC sound. I had the same experience listening through the Resonessence Invicta yesterday. wink.gif

post #423 of 951

How is the Invicta (not the auto) Inquiring minds want to know!

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After the usual household routines, the D1 was quickly assimilated into my system.& I woke up 8 h later to the voice of Nora Jones. More later...

Priorities, frame of mind, etc.......tongue.gif
post #425 of 951

The D1 did not put me to sleep--far from it. Actually I was near a point of exhaustion after a long hard day, and was just looking for a quick preview, but ended up listening much longer than planned till I knocked out.


Edited by pigmode - 5/30/11 at 1:06am
post #426 of 951
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Originally Posted by veritas aurum View Post

How is the Invicta (not the auto) Inquiring minds want to know!


I've got a lot more listening to do and only 2 more weeks in which to do it. So far it sounds very similar to the Anedio, which of course means it sounds amazing. The trick is figuring out if it offers any improvement, and if so, how much.

 

The built in playback via SD card is actually quite useful. And the headphone amp section is very good too. It seems slightly warmer than the Anedio's amp section. But again, lots more listening to do. I'll make a dedicated review thread when I'm ready and will post a link here so you don't miss it.

 



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The D1 did not put me to sleep--far from it. Actually I was near a point of exhaustion after a long hard day, and was just looking for a quick preview, but ended up listening much longer than planned till I knocked out.



I was just kidding about putting you to sleep. I have the same thing happen to me all the time with gear I love. 

post #427 of 951
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I've got a lot more listening to do and only 2 more weeks in which to do it. So far it sounds very similar to the Anedio, which of course means it sounds amazing. The trick is figuring out if it offers any improvement, and if so, how much.

 

The built in playback via SD card is actually quite useful. And the headphone amp section is very good too. It seems slightly warmer than the Anedio's amp section. But again, lots more listening to do. I'll make a dedicated review thread when I'm ready and will post a link here so you don't miss it.


Does the Invicta sound the same with different interface connections (ie: coax vs Toslink).  6moons is saying that it sounds different with different interface used.
 

So the Invicta sounds warmer using the output at the back and the heaphone amp or is it only warmer at the headphone amp section?

 

I'm trying to decide whether D1 is sufficient for me or whether I should go for the Invicta.  It'd be interesting to see if it can justify the $4K price given the performance of the D1.

post #428 of 951

When you get to this level, everything is important and system matching and preferences come to the forefront. I would never buy a $4k piece of equipment without hearing it in MY SYSTEM. One of the reasons I like Anedio's business model is that it matches my own ideas of good business practice. A free thirty day trial is a necessity at this price point. At higher points it becomes even more of a "must have". Regards John Dozier

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Does the Invicta sound the same with different interface connections (ie: coax vs Toslink).  6moons is saying that it sounds different with different interface used.
 

So the Invicta sounds warmer using the output at the back and the heaphone amp or is it only warmer at the headphone amp section?

 

I'm trying to decide whether D1 is sufficient for me or whether I should go for the Invicta.  It'd be interesting to see if it can justify the $4K price given the performance of the D1.


I personally wouldn't hesitate one second to put the D1 in a "money no object system", the DAC implementation is flawless and the only thing potentially holding it down is the output stage which uses high grade op-amps. I personally feel that a money no object solution would uses a pure class A output stage but how much that actually affects the sound (and if it is for better or worse) is an age old debate.

 

So - I would definitely recommend that you try the D1, it's a stellar piece of equipment and a bit of a bargain too. If you for some reason don't like it there are many other excellent DACs of different flavour around, the Lite Audio 83 DAC, the Audio GD ref 7.1, the Hegel HD20, the Naim DAC and so on. I feel that all those are stellar and that to pay more really isn't necessary, it's just about finding one that suits your taste and system.

 

Take that $4K and buy some nice additions to the wine cellar...

post #430 of 951
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Does the Invicta sound the same with different interface connections (ie: coax vs Toslink).  6moons is saying that it sounds different with different interface used.
 

So the Invicta sounds warmer using the output at the back and the heaphone amp or is it only warmer at the headphone amp section?

 

I'm trying to decide whether D1 is sufficient for me or whether I should go for the Invicta.  It'd be interesting to see if it can justify the $4K price given the performance of the D1.


I haven't done enough testing to be sure about the different inputs yet. The warmer sound is definitely from the headphone amp, which has it's own separate DAC chip. But I'll cover all that when I write up the Invicta.

 



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When you get to this level, everything is important and system matching and preferences come to the forefront. I would never buy a $4k piece of equipment without hearing it in MY SYSTEM. One of the reasons I like Anedio's business model is that it matches my own ideas of good business practice. A free thirty day trial is a necessity at this price point. At higher points it becomes even more of a "must have". Regards John Dozier


I agree. The folks at Resonessence are still very busy putting the final touches on the Invicta, so I don't know if they have anything set up yet as far as an in home demo policy. But they have been very helpful and they are very eager to get their product off the ground, so I imagine that they will have some sort of system in place in the near future. But that's just speculation on my part.

 



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I personally wouldn't hesitate one second to put the D1 in a "money no object system", the DAC implementation is flawless and the only thing potentially holding it down is the output stage which uses high grade op-amps. I personally feel that a money no object solution would uses a pure class A output stage but how much that actually affects the sound (and if it is for better or worse) is an age old debate.

 

So - I would definitely recommend that you try the D1, it's a stellar piece of equipment and a bit of a bargain too. If you for some reason don't like it there are many other excellent DACs of different flavour around, the Lite Audio 83 DAC, the Audio GD ref 7.1, the Hegel HD20, the Naim DAC and so on. I feel that all those are stellar and that to pay more really isn't necessary, it's just about finding one that suits your taste and system.

 

Take that $4K and buy some nice additions to the wine cellar...


I completely agree on the bolded part. But for the sake of argument - what if, while listening to the Invicta, I'm able to discern some area where I feel it is superior to the Anedio? The question then becomes how big is the difference and how much is it worth. That's not an easy thing to answer no matter how you slice it. Some people seem very willing to pay huge prices for even a minor improvement.

 

Note that I'm not saying I have a definitive conclusion about the Invicta being better than the Anedio. I'm just saying "what if". 

 

post #431 of 951

An then of course there is the age old "is it better or just different?" We all hear differently (shape of the pinnae, psychoacoutic processing. yada yada) Contrary to the title of one publication, there is no such thing as the absolute sound. Kindest regards John Dozier

post #432 of 951

Certain products draw certain types of people. I must say so far this Anedio thread has been very 'civil' which I really appreciate biggrin.gif

 

@project86

It's a good thing you always put things into a broader perspective and to be still able to add your realistic opinion to it. Awating your next review on the Invicta and how it compares to Anedio. Always curious to see how different DAC in the higher end price range stack up against each other. In this segment personal preferences and synergy in your system can be more important than solely looking at who is 'The Best'. 

 

The Anedio D1 DAC is my first entry into a higher end DAC and so far I'm very happy with it in my setup. I could have wasted more in the sub 200 - 400 price range altogether trying out different things. So I rather invest a good ammount into a good DAC at once that lasts for years and matches my preferences. Surely I completely agreed with the design philosophy of Anedio! 

 


Edited by cky8 - 5/30/11 at 1:32pm
post #433 of 951
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cky8 - Thanks! It would be much easier for me to just say the more expensive product always sounds better, and just call it a day. But that wouldn't be very truthful because it has not been my experience (not with DACs, not with headphones, not with amps....), and honestly it wouldn't be as fun for me. I have a great time listening and trying to find little differences, and I enjoy sharing my findings around here. 

 

 

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I haven't done enough testing to be sure about the different inputs yet. The warmer sound is definitely from the headphone amp, which has it's own separate DAC chip. But I'll cover all that when I write up the Invicta.

 

Note that I'm not saying I have a definitive conclusion about the Invicta being better than the Anedio. I'm just saying "what if". 

 



Judging from your msgs, it appears that the D1 and the Invita are very close in performance.  I think it'd require a very high resolution system to discern the differences.

 

Assume there are differences (or rather, improvements), the question is whether the extra cost is justified.  Does the Invicta have a better and more capable headphone amp for driving ortho headphones?  I'm particularly interested if it can drive the LCD-2 well.

post #435 of 951
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Judging from your msgs, it appears that the D1 and the Invita are very close in performance.  I think it'd require a very high resolution system to discern the differences.

 

Assume there are differences (or rather, improvements), the question is whether the extra cost is justified.  Does the Invicta have a better and more capable headphone amp for driving ortho headphones?  I'm particularly interested if it can drive the LCD-2 well.


Conversely, I will stop being lazy and do a proper comparison between the D1 headphone out and the Burson soon.
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