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post #406 of 951
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I enjoyed reading the review but was frustrated by the lack of a definitive statement about which DAC was superior.  When you think about it using the terminology in the article allows the writer to portray his emotional reactions to the products without actually offending either manufacturer.  I am an Ozzie but found some of imagery a stretch: "A DAC that's pure Sydney springtime.  It's got tits and teeth and isn't afraid to expose either."  I have visions of John Darko snuggling up to the D1, a glass of wine in hand, and an arm draped over the DAC while whispering sweet nothings into it's USB port.



That's a conundrum with review sites in general and I'm not blaming Darko at all. In fact, I find his reviews to be quite helpful as despite the flowery language, at least you can get a handle on how a certain equipment sounds unlike a certain popular review site here which contains nothing but 99% fluff and 1% actual content. One needs to carefully balance between reviewing objectively and pleasing your sponsors after all so there is a certain level of politics involved.

 

So where does that leave us? You just need read in between the lines. For example, Darko described the D1 as having a "sunlit" presentation. The way I understand it, he is trying to say that the DAC is to the bright and dry side which is in line with my experience with Sabre ESS9018 DACs in general. The opposite can be inferred with the Reference 7.1 which he described as "austere".

post #407 of 951
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So where does that leave us? You just need read in between the lines. For example, Darko described the D1 as having a "sunlit" presentation. The way I understand it, he is trying to say that the DAC is to the bright and dry side which is in line with my experience with Sabre ESS9018 DACs in general. The opposite can be inferred with the Reference 7.1 which he described as "austere".

 

I am not disagreeing with your sentiment WRT some review sites but this particular review had no real information.  To describe something as 'sunlit' could be equally inferred to mean that it was 'hot' or 'bright' (two different things) or simply 'yellow'.  The D1 is neither hot nor bright, nor dry (in a  bad way), nor yellow.  To describe the AGD 7.1 as 'austere' means that it was severe(?!) or cold(!?) in nature, or that it was plain? 

 

As something that can be measured objectively, audio can be properly described as being accurate, or innacurate and which way it leans and if you have the tools, by how much. People who prefer one or the other will draw their own conclusions and choose accordingly as there are no rules for audio preference. 

 

To paint something up with pretty colors but not draw a conclusion is to me walking the wrong side the line when it comes to a 'review'.  It reads more like plausible deniability wrapped in enough hyperbole to disguies its true nature.  Its the 'don't want to offend anyone multiplicity of context which detracts from the 'review'.  In any case, like I said, I enjoyed reading it but really walked away with zero information other than the fact that the author has some writing skills.

 


 

 

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To paint something up with pretty colors but not draw a conclusion is to me walking the wrong side the line when it comes to a 'review'.  It reads more like plausible deniability wrapped in enough hyperbole to disguies its true nature.  Its the 'don't want to offend anyone multiplicity of context which detracts from the 'review'.  In any case, like I said, I enjoyed reading it but really walked away with zero information other than the fact that the author has some writing skills.


 

Easy now.... as far as I know he's just one guy and his blog doing this mostly for fun so cut him some slack if the review wasn't completely to your liking. I for one really enjoy his site and trust it about ten times more than 6moons.... and he did give the Anedio 5 stars in the end so of course he likes it.... no DAC in this price range would get 5 stars without being absolutely stellar and adding something over the already great DACs in the $500 region.

 

Besides - we have to remember that we are the "anedio experts" by now and that John has to cater to the other 99% of the guys reading the review with little or no clue about Anedio, saber chips or jitter reducing circuits. If we don't learn anything from a review like that I think it says more about us than the review itself.

 

Now - better or worse than the GD? Who knows? I think what John is trying to say is that DACs in this price range are fast approaching the point of dimishing returns and that choosing a DAC in the $1-3k range is more about personal preference than an absolute "best".


Edited by TwoEars - 5/26/11 at 7:44am
post #409 of 951
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Easy now.... as far as I know he's just one guy and his blog doing this mostly for fun so cut him some slack if the review wasn't completely to your liking.

 

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Besides - we have to remember that we are the "anedio experts" by now and that John has to cater to the other 99% of the guys reading the review with little or no clue about Anedio, saber chips or jitter reducing circuits. If we don't learn anything from a review like that I think it says more about us than the review itself.

 

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I did say I enjoyed it, and my point was not he was right or wrong but that it wouldn't exactly be helpful to those other 99% of the readership.  For those trying to 'figure it out' a harder stance for comparitive purposes is infinitely more useful than not.  I am not implying that he should go all the way, only that some clear objectivity would be useful and that too much prose is detracting from his message.  Again, I enjoyed it, I just don't think that it will be that useful to anyone who has not heard the D1 and as a 'review' it is a bit too vague to be useful.  People read reviews to help focus their search for a solution.  And while I was probably using the pointier end of the stick when I said "This one statement 'dynamics are positively sinuous' makes me wonder if he really understands dynamics (or audio) at all"  I was speaking not of my interpretation but of that of the general reader.  I should have said "..makes one wonder.." instead of "..makes me wonder.." but the point stands, sinuous and dynamics don't belong in the same sentence and only serve to confuse. nit picked, I apologize if it offended him or anyone else.

 

(edited because I can't spell for beans)

 

 

 


Edited by earthling - 5/26/11 at 8:09am
post #410 of 951

The best review of the Anedio that I have seen is still Project86's. An excellent example for all equipment reviewers to follow.

post #411 of 951
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Easy now.... as far as I know he's just one guy and his blog doing this mostly for fun so cut him some slack if the review wasn't completely to your liking. I for one really enjoy his site and trust it about ten times more than 6moons.... and he did give the Anedio 5 stars in the end so of course he likes it.... no DAC in this price range would get 5 stars without being absolutely stellar and adding something over the already great DACs in the $500 region.

 

Besides - we have to remember that we are the "anedio experts" by now and that John has to cater to the other 99% of the guys reading the review with little or no clue about Anedio, saber chips or jitter reducing circuits. If we don't learn anything from a review like that I think it says more about us than the review itself.

 

Now - better or worse than the GD? Who knows? I think what John is trying to say is that DACs in this price range are fast approaching the point of dimishing returns and that choosing a DAC in the $1-3k range is more about personal preference than an absolute "best".


Mike (tme110) stopped by my place Sunday to do a comparison to the D1 as he had recently purchased the NFB-1 WM. I only briefly listened to the NFB, some classical audiophile-grade sampler track in 24/192 and did no direct comparison but it sounded amazing. I'm not sure if it was the recording but the soundstage seemed to be back farther in the head and as I didn't compare it to the D1... I realize that it's not a Sabre GD but I'm pretty sure Mike was hard-pressed to find any real differences between the two. It may be that implementation-wise components are having less of an effect on the signal as design improves which is a win for us I feel.

Cheers!

edit: Forget about the soundstage part. Listening to the LCD-2s with the D1 and it's the same phenomena. Really haven't listened to anything but my speakers so starting to adjust.
Edited by Permagrin - 5/26/11 at 12:49pm
post #412 of 951
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Mike (tme110) stopped by my place Sunday to do a comparison to the D1 as he had recently purchased the NFB-1 WM. I only briefly listened to the NFB, some classical audiophile-grade sampler track in 24/192 and did no direct comparison but it sounded amazing. I'm not sure if it was the recording but the soundstage seemed to be back farther in the head and as I didn't compare it to the D1... I realize that it's not a Sabre GD but I'm pretty sure Mike was hard-pressed to find any real differences between the two. It may be that implementation-wise components are having less of an effect on the signal as design improves which is a win for us I feel.

Cheers!

edit: Forget about the soundstage part. Listening to the LCD-2s with the D1 and it's the same phenomena. Really haven't listened to anything but my speakers so starting to adjust.

 

Nice buy but it's kind of a shame for us he bought the WM version.... rolleyes.gif

 

But it's an interesting comparison anyway because unless I'm mistaken the NFB-1 uses pure class A in its pre-amp stage with huge capacitors and so on while the Anedio uses a very minimalistic approach with high grade op-amps and a minimum of fuss on the same circuit board. So it's kind of a all-in vs minimalism battle....

 

What are you using as amp because the NFB-1 doesn't have a headphone out does it?

post #413 of 951
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Nice buy but it's kind of a shame for us he bought the WM version.... rolleyes.gif

 

But it's an interesting comparison anyway because unless I'm mistaken the NFB-1 uses pure class A in its pre-amp stage with huge capacitors and so on while the Anedio uses a very minimalistic approach with high grade op-amps and a minimum of fuss on the same circuit board. So it's kind of a all-in vs minimalism battle....

 

What are you using as amp because the NFB-1 doesn't have a headphone out does it?


We were only listening via Mike's Mad Ear+ HD (with dedicated low impedance hp out and increased current by output transformer). I was quite impressed with how well it drove the LCD-2s.
post #414 of 951

Just reporting: I can't hear any significant difference between the D1 toslinked to my iMac, or SPDIF'd via the Squeezebox Touch transport.

 

I wonder if that is because of the excellent jitter reduction built into the D1.

 

Could be many reasons, I guess.

 

Might put in a word for the Squeezebox though: for $260 I can't say enough about its internal DAC. Pretty much as good as my Metric Halo unit. It's ridiculous, and a bit depressing.

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Just reporting: I can't hear any significant difference between the D1 toslinked to my iMac, or SPDIF'd via the Squeezebox Touch transport.

 

I wonder if that is because of the excellent jitter reduction built into the D1.

 

Could be many reasons, I guess.

 

Might put in a word for the Squeezebox though: for $260 I can't say enough about its internal DAC. Pretty much as good as my Metric Halo unit. It's ridiculous, and a bit depressing.



But how you would you quantify the SQ difference between the Squeezebox Touch Transport internal DAC vs the D1?

post #416 of 951
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Easy now.... as far as I know he's just one guy and his blog doing this mostly for fun so cut him some slack if the review wasn't completely to your liking. I for one really enjoy his site and trust it about ten times more than 6moons.... and he did give the Anedio 5 stars in the end so of course he likes it.... no DAC in this price range would get 5 stars without being absolutely stellar and adding something over the already great DACs in the $500 region.

 

Besides - we have to remember that we are the "anedio experts" by now and that John has to cater to the other 99% of the guys reading the review with little or no clue about Anedio, saber chips or jitter reducing circuits. If we don't learn anything from a review like that I think it says more about us than the review itself.

 

Now - better or worse than the GD? Who knows? I think what John is trying to say is that DACs in this price range are fast approaching the point of dimishing returns and that choosing a DAC in the $1-3k range is more about personal preference than an absolute "best".


"If we don't learn anything from a review like that i think it says more about us than the review itself"

 

Very well said! I think the vast majority of reviews are way too polite and don't get to the bottom line clearly enough.

 

post #417 of 951

Now I had quite some listening hours with the D1. I really like the fact it's able to present you micro details without really looking for it. It's there to complement the major presentation without distracting you or getting in the way. A clear presentation and it does what it needs to do. A faithful representation without trying to enhance something or fool you. Just solid with good recordings. This one needs to grow on you slowly.

 

I guess this has been said here before. Just wanted to share my experience with the D1 biggrin.gif

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Now I had quite some listening hours with the D1. I really like the fact it's able to present you micro details without really looking for it. It's there to complement the major presentation without distracting you or getting in the way. A clear presentation and it does what it needs to do. A faithful representation without trying to enhance something or fool you. Just solid with good recordings. This one needs to grow on you slowly.

 

I guess this has been said here before. Just wanted to share my experience with the D1 biggrin.gif



That's pretty much the same impression as me, vast and clear detail retrival while still beeing musical and easy to listen to. It doesn't wow you right away with exaggerated dynamics, lit up vocals or anything like that but the more time you spend with it the more apparent the shortcomings of lesser DACs will be when you go back.

post #419 of 951

Elisabeth at Anedio has been very courteous and helpful in providing alternate shipping options for my order. What a positive experience so far, and her estimate for shipping date was spot on.  

 

Anticipation levels are high. As I have no idea what to expect, I am down to rereading this thread again from pg 1. I'll have to add an extra hr to my bike ride this afternoon to expend some of this pent up energy. :wink:

post #420 of 951

The USPS does surprise from time to time, and this was one of those occasions. Coming home yesterday afternoon after a long and hard day out on the ocean under the summer sun, there on the sofa sat a familiarly sized box plastered with Express Mail and Fragile stickers. 

 

After the usual household routines, the D1 was quickly assimilated into my system. I woke up 8 h later to the voice of Nora Jones. More later...

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