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post #346 of 951
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

The Anedio has the WM8805 in the digital input section IIRC, which is known to be a bit "warm", so possibly this combo with the Sabre 32 produces good results.  I noticed though that people with Sabre-based DACs tended often to own tube amps of some description.  I wouldn't be surprised if this would have been a good DAC for me when I owned an Audiovalve RKV.



You actually don't need to add a separate digital input receiver with the Sabre DAC as the chip can do everything all-in-one and that seems to be the way to go based on the implementations of Twisted Pear. Curiously the same company is developing a new output stage with coupling caps, which is technically inferior to their current DC-coupled output stage, as a "better" companion to the Buffalo perhaps to warm up the sound a bit like you said. Still, the tonality of these DACs is very far from natural which is obvious on acoustics and that's my main gripe about them. I wish I could try more Sabre-based DACs to confirm whether this is truly a character of the DAC (I suspect it is) or isolated to the Buffaloes only. 

post #347 of 951
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Originally Posted by earthling View Post

Just FYI, got the HE-500s today and burning them in on the Anedio D1.  Already very nice, I can see the HD650 getting a little less playtime for awhile.  The HE-500 seems very good with only a few hours on it, will have to see if I experience some of the break-in issues that have been reported but so far, all as expected.  Clean, articulate, great image, great bass control, all the atributes of the D1 coming through . I still want to try the HD800 though.

 


Interesting. So you think the HE-500 pairs well with the D1 DAC? I'm running HE-6 and Lyr and I'm still wondering if the synergy will be good. Project86 stated earlier that a good resolving DAC will benefit any system, but I read that a lot of people are talking about the importance of synergy. 

 

 

 

post #348 of 951

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

I notice that 6moons seems to really love the Burson. It just hits the spot for that particular reviewer. For Stereomojo, it has been the Minimax that has really hit the spot, and for me (and some others here) it has been the Anedio. I suspect all are very good so it's not like you can go terribly wrong with any of them.

 

 

Spot on here dude. Nice to see someone with an objective viewpoint rather than promoting their own choice. Refreshing!

 

Opted for the 160D due to it's 3-in-1 abilities, to be paired with LCD-2s. 

post #349 of 951
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Originally Posted by ZorgDK View Post




Interesting. So you think the HE-500 pairs well with the D1 DAC? I'm running HE-6 and Lyr and I'm still wondering if the synergy will be good. Project86 stated earlier that a good resolving DAC will benefit any system, but I read that a lot of people are talking about the importance of synergy. 

 

 

 


It does drive the HE-500 well but not to ear splitting levels.  I think the amp section will run out of steam (gracefully, not with any problems) before the headphones do but that is not a concern for me.  The flat, extended output of the D1 DAC, tight controlled bass, and massive S/N ratio should be what you are looking for to drive the HE-500 (or any headphone).  Synergy comes from the amp stage where a difficult to drive headphone requires an amp that can handle it and typically I favor more power than less.  The D1 amp is certainly not lacking in any ability to drive the lowest notes or the cleanest treble with these headphones so far. It certainly opens up dynamically a lot more, is just more visceral all around, and has more impact  than the HD-650/600/580 that I have been listening to but this is just first impressions, it literally has been only a few hours.

post #350 of 951

Still loving my D1, but I'm probably going to get rid of my HD-650's, I hate to see them go but, I just can't afford to keep around headphones that don't go well with my setup, I'll probably get some RS2's since I like the Grado's closeness mixed with the D1's spaciousness, they seem to balance each other out kinda well.  Plus at 32 ohms the Grado's are easy for the D1 to drive.

post #351 of 951
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Originally Posted by K3cT View Post

You actually don't need to add a separate digital input receiver with the Sabre DAC as the chip can do everything all-in-one and that seems to be the way to go based on the implementations of Twisted Pear. Curiously the same company is developing a new output stage with coupling caps, which is technically inferior to their current DC-coupled output stage, as a "better" companion to the Buffalo perhaps to warm up the sound a bit like you said. Still, the tonality of these DACs is very far from natural which is obvious on acoustics and that's my main gripe about them. I wish I could try more Sabre-based DACs to confirm whether this is truly a character of the DAC (I suspect it is) or isolated to the Buffaloes only. 

 

Having experimented with multiple digital sources of various quality and two NFB Sabre dacs (A-GD uses Sabre's built-in receiver) I suspect that the sense of Sabre's artificial tonality is closely related to high jitter. Natural presentation of acoustic instruments is indeed achievable on sabres but only with very low-jitter signal. So it appears that Anedio engineering did the right thing when focusing on jitter corrections and Project86 may be right that Anedio is not any worse even from top R-2R devices like Ref-7 in rendering piano and acoustic instruments. This surprised me in his Ref-7 review, I expected to read something about more natural presentation of acoustics vis the Anedio.   

 

post #352 of 951
I guess this is a good place to post this. As I said earlier for some reason when I plug in the D1 to my laptop with digital coax I don't get any sound. It is an optical output and I switched the output in the audio software mixer to digital out but still nothing. I checked the BIOS to see if maybe optical was disabled but to no avail. I'm thinking maybe there might be something in the registry which I need to flip the flag on, will try that when I get home.

Regardless I was thinking about getting a USB to Coax cable if that fails. I was wondering what the max bit-rate would be in that case. Would it be 44 as it's coming out of my laptop's USB or 192 as it's feeding into the coax of the D1?

Thanks in advance!
Edited by Permagrin - 5/20/11 at 12:15pm
post #353 of 951

@Permagrin

If your laptop headphone out jack shares a optical SPDIF connection you need a Toslink cable, not Coax. Just then I received my new Toslink cable and I just get sound after making Realtek Digital Output the default. ASUS laptop here.


Edited by cky8 - 5/20/11 at 12:33pm
post #354 of 951
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Originally Posted by cky8 View Post

@Permagrin

If your laptop headphone out jack shares a optical SPDIF connection you need a Toslink cable, not Coax. Just then I received my new Toslink cable and I just get sound after making Realtek Digital Output the default. ASUS laptop here.



Yupp - if the toslink is working you should see a red (all the toslinks I've seen are red anyway) light coming from the port. And yes you need a optical toslink cable and not coax.

 

I do this in my setup, I have a creative titanium HD with 3.5mm optical spdif output that I feed to my Anedio D1, this a superb setup because EAX effects for gaming are applied in the digital domain before they reach the DA... so if I play a game it's a gaming setup, if I listen to music no EAX or surround effects are applied and the card is just a transport.... beerchug.gif

post #355 of 951
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Originally Posted by cky8 View Post

@Permagrin

If your laptop headphone out jack shares a optical SPDIF connection you need a Toslink cable, not Coax. Just then I received my new Toslink cable and I just get sound after making Realtek Digital Output the default. ASUS laptop here.


Thanks for the replies guys. I have an Asus as well. Looking at Toslink cables it looks like they won't fit an 1/8" mini-stereo output so I figured I'd get a coax cable instead terminated with a mini-stereo plug instead. lol kinda feel dumb now...

So I'm guessing I need a Toslink cable with one end having a mini-Tos plug (or an adapter)?
post #356 of 951
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Originally Posted by Permagrin View Post



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Originally Posted by cky8 View Post

@Permagrin

If your laptop headphone out jack shares a optical SPDIF connection you need a Toslink cable, not Coax. Just then I received my new Toslink cable and I just get sound after making Realtek Digital Output the default. ASUS laptop here.




Thanks for the replies guys. I have an Asus as well. Looking at Toslink cables it looks like they won't fit an 1/8" mini-stereo output so I figured I'd get a coax cable instead terminated with a mini-stereo plug instead. lol kinda feel dumb now...

So I'm guessing I need a Toslink cable with one end having a mini-Tos plug (or an adapter)?

im not exactly sure that your laptop has miniplug toslink output, but thats what my macbook pro has, and ive got a spare cable with your name on it, if you want it. Its nothin fancy, just a monoprice jobby
 

 

post #357 of 951

I received my Anedio D1 DAC 2 days ago. Initially I hadn't any toslink or coax cable around since I always have been using USB with my previous audio interface. The D1 with USB did show clear improvements but somehow tonally it was really pushy and fatiguing. I was restless knowing I had spend quite a lot money for this coming from an inferior Audio Kontrol 1. Getting D1 to work with USB connection was quite a hassle too. Some USB ports always gave me random losses in signal lock so it's not lisenable and very annoying. Only a few USB ports which apparently had more bandwidth reserved worked.

 

However using a optical digital transfer to the D1 now just solved my problem. The sound is now exactly pleasing to my ears! I do not blame Anedio for this. IMHO USB has always been a tricky connection for use with audio purposes.

 

I might post some more thoughts after I have had more listening. I like it with the W1000X headphone. Volume at 5 is loud enough already!

 

@Permagrin

You need something like this. Toslink standard male - Toslink mini that fits into the 1/8 jack.

 

http://www.allekabels.nl/product_images/HQSS_4624.JPG
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022902&p_id=1557&seq=1&format=2


Edited by cky8 - 5/20/11 at 2:07pm
post #358 of 951
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post



im not exactly sure that your laptop has miniplug toslink output, but thats what my macbook pro has, and ive got a spare cable with your name on it, if you want it. Its nothin fancy, just a monoprice jobby
 

 


Sounds good. How long is the cable? Do you have Paypal?
post #359 of 951
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Originally Posted by cky8 View Post

I received my Anedio D1 DAC 2 days ago. Initially I hadn't any toslink or coax cable around since I always have been using USB with my previous audio interface. The D1 with USB did show clear improvements but somehow tonally it was really pushy and fatiguing. I was restless knowing I had spend quite a lot money for this coming from an inferior Audio Kontrol 1. Getting D1 to work with USB connection was quite a hassle too. Some USB ports always gave me random losses in signal lock so it's not lisenable and very annoying. Only a few USB ports which apparently had more bandwidth reserved worked.

 

However using a optical digital transfer to the D1 now just solved my problem. The sound is now exactly pleasing to my ears! I do not blame Anedio for this. IMHO USB has always been a tricky connection for use with audio purposes.

 

I might post some more thoughts after I have had more listening. I like it with the W1000X headphone. Volume at 5 is loud enough already!

 

@Permagrin

You need something like this. Toslink standard male - Toslink mini that fits into the 1/8 jack.

 

http://www.allekabels.nl/product_images/HQSS_4624.JPG
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022902&p_id=1557&seq=1&format=2


Thanks cky8 that's exactly what I need. It is amazing how great this DAC sounds at moderate volume, not used to that yet. redface.gif
post #360 of 951

I always listen to low or moderate volume. I don't understand why some people always need to test how "loud" they can sound? But they could have their reasons. Other than possibly destroying your ears I couldn't think of anything else. You are welcome Permagrin! wink.gif

 

My sincere thanks to project86 and all others who contributed to this thread. The Anedio D1 DAC could possibly be my best audio equipment purchase ever biggrin.gif


Edited by cky8 - 5/20/11 at 3:08pm
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