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post #316 of 951

I think with the Anedio, the old GIGO rule applies. Fed with SOTA program material and BRUTALLY revealing associated components, its true virtues shine through. It is a device that is not for the faint-hearted. It is however, perfect for those who are listening to their own recordings, which is the only true test of component quality. A mastering lab quality DAC. Kindest regards, John Dozier. BTW I just listened to some direct to CD recordings which I produced. Stunning is the only word that comes to mind, and these were of a symphony orchestra at full tilt.

post #317 of 951
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Originally Posted by Permagrin View Post

Well I ended up listening through the night and came to some interesting impressions.

Like in my first post I described the sound as clean. It is also tight and controlled. Listening from my Prodipes the music seemed disturbingly perfect. I tried but I could not pick out anything wrong with it at all for the first time. Cranking it up didn't change the image at all it was just seamlessly louder. Lying in bed I was listening with one of my normal setups (iMod-AB 160-HA 160-LCD-2s) and I heard that familiar sound which I used to love but now in comparison it was mocking me with this overly lushful and almost washed out sound. I'm really at a crossroad here because if the D1 doesn't open up a little bit I don't know if I can live with it, however 'perfect' it sounds it doesn't seem to have a soul.

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It has soul, it is the soul imparted by the music as it was meant to be, not by the electronics involved.  Transparent should be the order of the day unless you are trying to overcome some particular idiosyncrasy of the speaker or your hearing (not aiming this at you, this is a general statement and a valid one for people who have hearing loss).   To me an important factor of music enjoyment is absolutely faithful reproduction of the recording, whether that is respect for the artist or instrument or because, as an engineer, you end up having to be critical of weak links in the recording or reproduction chain, is hard to say.  At the end of the day it ends up being both I guess. I would no more look for 'color' in the reproduction chain than I would ask the artist to change what they do and how they do it.  I get the lure of the euphonic presentation but to me any deviation from the original intent is simply going down the wrong path, eventually leading to dissatisfaction and an endless quest for perfection, even when that 'perfection' is purely subjective.

 

On a side note, I find it interesting to see how audiophiles who focus on traditional speaker systems have such different targets than audiophiles who focus on headphones (in general, broad brush I know, but look around, its true).

 

 


 

 

post #318 of 951
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It has soul, it is the soul imparted by the music as it was meant to be, not by the electronics involved.  Transparent should be the order of the day unless you are trying to overcome some particular idiosyncrasy of the speaker or your hearing (not aiming this at you, this is a general statement and a valid one for people who have hearing loss).   To me an important factor of music enjoyment is absolutely faithful reproduction of the recording, whether that is respect for the artist or instrument or because, as an engineer, you end up having to be critical of weak links in the recording or reproduction chain, is hard to say.  At the end of the day it ends up being both I guess. I would no more look for 'color' in the reproduction chain than I would ask the artist to change what they do and how they do it.  I get the lure of the euphonic presentation but to me any deviation from the original intent is simply going down the wrong path, eventually leading to dissatisfaction and an endless quest for perfection, even when that 'perfection' is purely subjective.

 

On a side note, I find it interesting to see how audiophiles who focus on traditional speaker systems have such different targets than audiophiles who focus on headphones (in general, broad brush I know, but look around, its true).

 

 


 

 


Ok, maybe soul was a bad metaphor but you get the idea. My brain hasn't fully adjusted their sound yet either so there is that. Also I'm listening with my LCD-2s as well (sounds pretty close to the Prodipes now). My aim in purchasing gear has been for faithful reproduction so that's kinda why I'm worried. If I can't live with that sound lol... But anyway I'll probably adjust.

Anyone who's owned the D1, has the sound "opened" up with burn-in? My unit has literally a few hours on it. Thanks for the replies y'all.

Cheers!
post #319 of 951

The difference between headphone and speaker listening can be summed up in two words-the room. Room effects on loudspeaker listening are IMHO vastly under valued by speaker reviewers. In evaluating equipment I always use both phones and loudspeakers-and the most neutral of both that I can find (and afford).Regards, John Dozier

post #320 of 951
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project86 - Just wanted to thank you for the time you put into the review.  Based on your review, the technical information available, my own research, and the generous 30 day return policy I ordered my D1 from Anedio.  It arrived on time (great service) and a week into this experience I can honestly say it is one of the better purchases I have ever made.  As a 'practical' audiophile with an engineering background it is hard to live with some of the hype in our hobby but this is one of those rare times when the performance exceeds the hype.  The performance of the D1 is amazing, as a DAC it easily bests some of the very expensive (embarrassingly so in hindsight) ones that I have owned and as a headphone amp/dac combo it is at a level where the additional expense to reach even parity of performance once you bought a great DAC and a great amp would put you into a 2-3x cost category.  The fact that you can can get this level of performance for just north of $1K is amazing.  Thanks project86 for the effort and kudos to Anedio for delivering such a terrific performing and value priced piece of gear.  I will be buying a second unit to use in my main stereo system this summer!


Thank you for the kind words! I'm so glad that I was able to help steer some people in the direction of this killer DAC. It seems that Anedio's no-nonsense approach to engineering and marketing has lots of appeal to some people, like yourself. I can see it being a turnoff for others though (like when the reviewer from Positive Feedback was offended by Anedio's mention of cables not being a big deal).

 

I too find it hard to believe that this much performance is attainable for the price. If you don't mind admitting it, what DACs have you tried in the past?
 

 



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Originally Posted by Permagrin View Post

Well I ended up listening through the night and came to some interesting impressions.

Like in my first post I described the sound as clean. It is also tight and controlled. Listening from my Prodipes the music seemed disturbingly perfect. I tried but I could not pick out anything wrong with it at all for the first time. Cranking it up didn't change the image at all it was just seamlessly louder. Lying in bed I was listening with one of my normal setups (iMod-AB 160-HA 160-LCD-2s) and I heard that familiar sound which I used to love but now in comparison it was mocking me with this overly lushful and almost washed out sound. I'm really at a crossroad here because if the D1 doesn't open up a little bit I don't know if I can live with it, however 'perfect' it sounds it doesn't seem to have a soul.

tongue.gif


As has been suggested, I think you need to get used to the sound a little and then decide from there.

 

I'm much more willing to go along with coloration when dealing with lower priced equipment. I love my Maverick A1 tube amp ($200) because it colors everything and makes it fun, while being forgiving of the cheaper source that it would likely be paired with. But the higher up we go, the less likely I will be to want that sort of thing. That's just me..... you need to decide for yourself what real music sounds like and what you think reproduces it most faithfully. Maybe in your case it isn't the D1. There's nothing wrong with that and indeed that's what the 30-day trial is for.
 

 



 

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Originally Posted by veritas aurum View Post

I think with the Anedio, the old GIGO rule applies. Fed with SOTA program material and BRUTALLY revealing associated components, its true virtues shine through. It is a device that is not for the faint-hearted. It is however, perfect for those who are listening to their own recordings, which is the only true test of component quality. A mastering lab quality DAC. Kindest regards, John Dozier. BTW I just listened to some direct to CD recordings which I produced. Stunning is the only word that comes to mind, and these were of a symphony orchestra at full tilt.


Very well said.

 

A few unrelated things:

 

1) I've discussed the USB to SPDIF converter with James at Anedio. Progress is definitely being made, but lots of orders for the D1 DAC have kept them really busy. But the unit should be ready to go fairly soon. I'll be getting one and reviewing it, and I'm also thinking of doing a sort of informal "loaner program" to help get more impressions. One reason being that I mostly use the Squeezebox Touch as a frontend, so I really don't listen through USB a lot these days. So if I send my unit around to different folks, they can add their experiences to the thread and we can get a good picture of how well it performs. Based on specs it should be just a hair short of the Audiophilleo, which in my opinion is the current state of the art design. But the Anedio should be cheaper. I'll update when I know more.
 

2) I've just learned that I'll be getting a loaner of the new Invicta DAC from Resonessence Labs. It's a $4k DAC and the company is comprised of former ESS folks, who basically invented the Sabre DACs. I'm very curious to see if there is any possible way it can sound better than the Anedio. It does have a ton of features like more inputs and outputs (including balanced) as well as the ability to play .WAV files (even high resolution files) from an SD card. So it could be a stand alone device. But still, I just don't know if it is possible to improve on the Anedio from a pure SQ perspective. I've often wondered how the Weiss DAC2 stacks up, and this should be similar so we'll see.

post #321 of 951
I was wrong. It was just such a huge jump closer to faithful reproduction of sound that my mind was confused at first. Another thing that doesn't help is when we get new gear we're constantly analyzing which detracts from just digging the music. Listening to Jackson Browne and Dire Straits this thing definitely has soul [edit: !!! biggrin.gif]

Cheers!
post #322 of 951

Useful tip of the day:

 

If you find that the Anedio has a precise but slightly flat and unengaging veiled character try getting a equalizer and boosting the 2-8000 Hz range with a few Db (the peak of the boost should be around 4k and then slanting in both directions). I did this did and also at the same time boosted the bass region (below 500 Hz) by about 2dB. a headphone amp cool.gif


Edited by TwoEars - 5/17/11 at 5:46am
post #323 of 951

@TwoEars

Although I haven't received my D1 yet I've doubts about your discovery. Changing EQ with a "few dB" certainly isn't a minor change. Wouldn't this go against the philosophy of Anedio? A faithful audio reproduction. I myself keep EQ flat all the time. If it doesn't satisfy me I'd get myself another DAC or headphone.

 

Don't get me wrong though! Clearly you are happy with this change so that's your own right wink.gif

 

post #324 of 951

 @cky8 does it really matter if it goes against their philosophy if it sounds better.

post #325 of 951


 

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@TwoEars

Although I haven't received my D1 yet I've doubts about your discovery. Changing EQ with a "few dB" certainly isn't a minor change. Wouldn't this go against the philosophy of Anedio? A faithful audio reproduction. I myself keep EQ flat all the time. If it doesn't satisfy me I'd get myself another DAC or headphone.

 

Don't get me wrong though! Clearly you are happy with this change so that's your own right wink.gif

 


 

There was a time I used to think exactly like that, I wanted to hear exactly what was on the recoding and nothing else - the "purists approach to audio" (I'm still very much like that when it comes to equipment, if I don't need a preamp I'll try and take it out of the system etc).

 

Problem is just this: music isn't science - it's art. It's meant to engage and move the soul, if everyone wanted their music to be reproduced like science well... there wouldn't be any tube amps for one thing, and everyone would probably be using Sennheisers.

 

And then there's this: All equipment sound different, all equipment synergize differently and top it off we all hear differently. How are we to know that we hear something in our head the way the artist did when he or she were trying to bring a song to life?

 

And besides - we're all different, some like spicy food while others can't stand it etc. So - I gave up that approach a long time ago, these days I just dial in what makes me happy and enjoy the music. :-)

 

On a different note our fellow inmate pytter just confirmed that he's mailed me a beautiful Burson HA-160 amp. Then we shall see about lifting that Sennheiser veil for good and getting some proper PRAT going...

post #326 of 951

@TwoEars

I certainly give you credit for the "subjective" part of how we human beings hear things. I guess I'll be taking into account both variables wink.gif

post #327 of 951

I have just read the StereoMojo review of the Anedio Dac. The reviewers lost.

post #328 of 951
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Originally Posted by veritas aurum View Post

I have just read the StereoMojo review of the Anedio Dac. The reviewers lost.



I thought it was a decent review, as far as those types go. Certainly more well executed than the ones done by Positive Feedback.

 

post #329 of 951

Agreed, BTW your reviews are a model to be emulated.

post #330 of 951

A lot of you guys have upgraded from low-end DACs to the Anedio, so you're noticing a much bigger difference than the StereoMojo reviewers who have experience with a considerably wider range of gear. So I suggest, don't be disappointed by reviews. It's great that we have a variety of DACs in the $1-1.5k range which are so good.

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