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post #136 of 951
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Originally Posted by Marcin_gps View Post

Please compare it as a DAC too :)



    I agree.  Any DAC v. DAC comparisons would be appreciated.

 

    Dave

post #137 of 951

D1 is coming this friday.  I am going to do an unboxing video for anyone interested.  I will post some quick impression but I still have to let it have some burn in time before making any review comment.  The xonar is actually in my desktop computer.  So I wasn't planning on plugging the d1 to it.  But I could try it out if you really want to know how it sound running through it.  I am running the d1 by either mac book pro direct usb or spdif/toslink through squeeze box touch.

post #138 of 951

sounds really good to me,

looking forward to further impressions.

 

post #139 of 951

Burson HA-160d dac vs. Anedio D1 Dac

 

I apologize if my review isn't well formulated as I just wanted to get my impressions out sooner than later - so if the thoughts seem to jump around a little, that's why.  Enjoy.

 

Non Audio related thoughts -

 

The Burson has a preamp, which is a nice feature - for this review I decided it to be best to output from the Anedio into the Burson, I cranked the Anedio

up to 99 and both used USB as there input.  The PC is using a seasonic X series power supply (IMO best PSU on the market) and a high end Gigabyte

motherboard - I use the USB 3.0 slots as they have their own dedicated power management implemented that is much better than 2.0

 

The preamp of the Burson made a lovely humming noise if I turned it's volume to Maximum, so I opted to leave it's volume low and Anedio on max.  Of note

on the Burson is that the volume is a knob that just 'clicks' so the gain can be a pretty big jump from 0 to 1 to 2 - although not terrible like the

Emotiva XDA-1 was (the original firmwares) - just something to mention. As far as inputs obviously burson only has USB / Coaxial - while the Anedio

supports those as well as BNC and Toslink.

 

As far as I'm concerned I gave the advantage to the Burson as I had it directly plugged into the amp, and the Anedio going into the Burson first. 

 

IC Cables used were Nightshade Audio’s Lighthouse Cables (See Affordable Audio October 2010 issue for reference)

 

The build quality of the Burson is awesome, really heavy - the metal has a smell since it's so new.  It gets very warm (physically) as well, and will sound better once it's fully warmed up. Obviously a huge minus is the lack of remote control, but hey - most people have preamps that do that anyway, so not the end of the world.

 

Sound Quality of the DAC

 

My initial impression of the Burson HA-160d in direct comparison to the Anedio is that the Burson is a very very good DAC (but so is the Anedio).  The largest difference between the two is the thickness of the air created by the Burson over the Anedio.  It creates for quite an enjoyable listening session.  I would say that there is just a small 'hump' of increased lower frequency's that give it that thicker sound.  It's very enjoyable to listen to.  This lower frequency thickness allows for a more forward presentation in hearing various instruments that sit in that frequency range.  

 

When directly comparing with A/B of various tracks a few things become clear of where the Anedio excels over the Burson unit.  Those 2 areas are clarity & soundstage depth.  What amazed me, was that despite the Anedio traveling through the Burson then into the amps was that it still provided a clearer / crisper sound, however, it was very subtle.  On certain native 96/24 the burson sounded just as clear as the Anedio was downsampled to 48/16. 

 

In Dave Matthews Say Goodbye track - his vocals on the Burson were a few rows closer than the Anedio.  I prefered the depth of the Anedio when it was engineered on the track.  For those less engineered albums - it was dead even in regards to soundstage depth.

 

In terms of soundstage width - I would say that was an area the Burson excelled over the Anedio.  There was something about the way it moved instruments forward that made them pop or standout in a way the Anedio more glazed a canvas of the instruments.  The way the Burson did this to me gave a perceived soundstage widening, however, I'm not convinced it is wider vs. hearing background instruments moved forward so they seem to say 'Look at ME I'm a microdetail' - where as the Anedio still presents the same microdetails, but in a more relaxed way.

 

Tonally they both were identical - that is to say instruments sounded like instruments and sounded the same on both fronts, saxophone, etc. from A to B would sound identical.

 

Decay - Decay is something I get only from the Anedio when plugged directly into the power amp - the Burson didn't give much in this area, so I was disapointed not to hear some clanging cymbals the same way as I'm used to - but to be fair, going through the additional cable & preamp - the Anedio didn't either.  But I know the Anedio well - and knew it was something that was missing from the Burson and Anedio via preamp, it's a subtle thing, but you know when it's there and you know when it's not.

 

So I get to the point in my review where I talk about the what is in my opinion the DEAL breaker for the Burson, and why I am selling it.  In a word - Jitter.

The jitter was something that was only audible after listening for hours, as I gave it the wife test (who is extremely sensitive to noise irritation) - At the lowest volume setting my wife complained her ears were hurting, something I also felt but ignored for some time trying to listen critically.

 

The USB input clearly doesn't have the same implemented technology that the Anedio has, and because of this I can easily hear fatigue.  It's subtle, it's not audible when going input A to input B - but when you begin to listen collectively as a whole - you get the strain on your ears, I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about.  I would say however, that if you already have a Hiface EVO or any USB > S/PDIF adapter this issue would be easily solved. 

 

For me, I love the fact that it's already built into the Anedio, I will purchase his USB > S/PDIF adapter when it comes out just so I can have full non downsampled hi res music in the future, but since 95% of my music is 44.1 it's not a deal breaker for me at this time.

 

I think Anedio is a clear winner, but the Burson is by no means a loser - it was a very close call, it wasn't until you got down to specific tracks or long listening sessions that you really begin to see the design flaw of USB in the Burson vs. the Anedio.

 

I hope this helps you guys in your decision process.  I haven't had time to compare the amps in either units as my primary focus was to compare the DAC sections.


Edited by soulrider4ever - 3/10/11 at 12:17pm
post #140 of 951

To be honest, I was not expecting such a close output.

I guess that in the end, both anedio and the burson are great units.

In the end, it seems that both unit will benefit from high quality usb2spdif converter,like the audiophileo is

So to me I guess that it will be their ability to handle the audeze lcd2 that will set the deal.

Pompon, is there anyway for you to get your hand on a musical fidelity V-link unit and see how is compares to the AP2???

And share your result with us of course beerchug.gif

all the best

Q

ps: thanks a lot soulrider4ever to this very informative post. I really appriciate.

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Originally Posted by dookie182 View Post

To be honest, I was not expecting such a close output.

I guess that in the end, both anedio and the burson are great units.

In the end, it seems that both unit will benefit from high quality usb2spdif converter,like the audiophileo is

So to me I guess that it will be their ability to handle the audeze lcd2 that will set the deal.

Pompon, is there anyway for you to get your hand on a musical fidelity V-link unit and see how is compares to the AP2???

And share your result with us of course beerchug.gif

all the best

Q

ps: thanks a lot soulrider4ever to this very informative post. I really appriciate.

Hey,

 

Yes well it's a good DAC, but to be fair - once I put the Anedio D1 back into direct into the power amp, it pulled away even further from the Burson unit, esp in regards to micro details & reverb.

 

Also I think that the reasons for why each unit benefits from a usb2spdif is very different, I think the Anedio does very well without one, while the Burson IMO is a requirement to take away listening fatigue.
 

 


Edited by soulrider4ever - 3/10/11 at 6:52pm
post #142 of 951
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Originally Posted by soulrider4ever View Post


 

Hey,

 

Yes well it's a good DAC, but to be fair - once I put the Anedio D1 back into direct into the power amp, it pulled away even further from the Burson unit, esp in regards to micro details & reverb.

 

Also I think that the reasons for why each unit benefits from a usb2spdif is very different, I think the Anedio will does very well without one, while the Burson IMO is a requirement to take away listening fatigue.
 

 


Great comparison soulrider4ever! I expected these units to be close considering the attention they get but a comparison was exactly what was needed. Hopefully this brings more attention to a hidden gem on the audiophile market.

post #143 of 951
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Originally Posted by dookie182 View PostPompon, is there anyway for you to get your hand on a musical fidelity V-link unit and see how is compares to the AP2???

 

I don't have acces to v-link.



 

post #144 of 951

In the end, did anyone have the occasion to compare the anedio to other ess based dacs.

I'm still wondering if it is a sabre dac effect or if the anedio is one of the best of them.

I wonder if the guys from stereomojo did prefer the anedio over the EE minimax DAC

post #145 of 951
Thread Starter 


Soundrider4ever: Thanks for the impressions. You confirmed my suspicions that the Burson is a great unit. Sounds like the DAC sort of follows in the same footsteps as the stand alone amp, which is to say somewhat colored but in a very pleasing way. I hope you didn't lose much money on the Burson though.

 

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Originally Posted by dookie182 View Post

In the end, did anyone have the occasion to compare the anedio to other ess based dacs.

I'm still wondering if it is a sabre dac effect or if the anedio is one of the best of them.

I wonder if the guys from stereomojo did prefer the anedio over the EE minimax DAC


Good question, but I don't think anyone has had that chance yet. Stereomojo hasn't had any progress finishing reviews for items on their "upcoming reviews" page, or at least not that I've noticed. 

 

I should have an Audio GD Reference 7 within a week or so. Will post comparisons when I've spent enough time with it.

post #146 of 951

Got anedio d1 this morning.  I am going to let it burn in a little bit before some serious listening.  Probably going to listen to sacd version of DSOTM and Jazz at Pawnshop and compare them to my vinyl setup.  If it could give me the detail warm sound like my vinyl setup then I am sold.  Similar to vinyl sound with digital convenience = great dac.  

 

Ohh and my turntable is a technic sl 1200mk2 with denon 103 cartridge and mf vlps phonostage.  Currently my vinyl setup have the best sound but it's so inconvience.  Have to change lp, clean the lp, discharge the static from lp, looking through the box full of lp etc... sigh.  Its fun sometime but when I just want to listen to music it's a hassle.

post #147 of 951

sigh.. it has been a week since it was shipped. my D1 is still not here. ( its stuck at the post office for some reason )

anyways thats for the comparison between the D1 DAC and Burson DAC.  ( well i was not expecting  HA10D DAC to be this close )  . 

 

 

 

 

 

post #148 of 951

just got an upate from stereomojo,

it is a dual review and willbe available "within next month"...so I guess the first reviewer did his job and we are now waiting for the second one

kokushu, I guess we are all really waiting to know how the D1 will handle the lcd2 ;-)

have fun

post #149 of 951

Since i know some of you are just waiting anxiously for lcd 2 with the d1 amp.  Here is a quick impression.  Since I just spend thirty minutes listening to the dac last night.

 

The amp ran my sennheiser about as good as my wa6.  If both amp was crank to maximum value then the wa6 would be louder about 15-20 percent; but that is not a problem for me since I don't listen to music that loud anyway.  The maximum loudness of d1 amp is more than good enough.  The wa6  tend to have a more neutral sound compare to other tube amp in this setup the sweetness sound it have is what separate the d1 amp to the wa6.  I tried each amp separate but quickly go back to wa6 for the rest of the time I spend listening.

 

 As for lcd 2 running through the amp its good but not great.  Compare to the lcd 2 on both amp I said the d1 sound a little bit more flat than wa6.  The volume level also seem to decrease by 25 percent compare to 800 hd.  Although this is a really quick listening.  I spend most of the time I have listening to berlioz symphonie fantastica so 800hd was my headphone of choice last night.  As I have more time listen to both I will get a clearer picture and all this opinion might change.  This is just how I feel about both amp after 30 minutes of listening after a hard day at work.  If you have any questions or a setup of any of my gears you might want me to test feel free to ask.

post #150 of 951
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Originally Posted by dookie182 View Post

just got an upate from stereomojo,

it is a dual review and willbe available "within next month"...so I guess the first reviewer did his job and we are now waiting for the second one

kokushu, I guess we are all really waiting to know how the D1 will handle the lcd2 ;-)

have fun


Thanks for the update, I'll keep an eye out for that.

 

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Originally Posted by kokushu View Post

Since i know some of you are just waiting anxiously for lcd 2 with the d1 amp.  Here is a quick impression.  Since I just spend thirty minutes listening to the dac last night.

 

The amp ran my sennheiser about as good as my wa6.  If both amp was crank to maximum value then the wa6 would be louder about 15-20 percent; but that is not a problem for me since I don't listen to music that loud anyway.  The maximum loudness of d1 amp is more than good enough.  The wa6  tend to have a more neutral sound compare to other tube amp in this setup the sweetness sound it have is what separate the d1 amp to the wa6.  I tried each amp separate but quickly go back to wa6 for the rest of the time I spend listening.

 

 As for lcd 2 running through the amp its good but not great.  Compare to the lcd 2 on both amp I said the d1 sound a little bit more flat than wa6.  The volume level also seem to decrease by 25 percent compare to 800 hd.  Although this is a really quick listening.  I spend most of the time I have listening to berlioz symphonie fantastica so 800hd was my headphone of choice last night.  As I have more time listen to both I will get a clearer picture and all this opinion might change.  This is just how I feel about both amp after 30 minutes of listening after a hard day at work.  If you have any questions or a setup of any of my gears you might want me to test feel free to ask.


Please feel free to take your time and do enough listening to where you are really confident about what you are hearing. I know we like to rush things and people want to know your impressions right now!, but don't let us stop you from taking your time to savor and enjoy the music.

 

What you are describing with your HD800/Woo Audio 6 experience reminds me a lot of the HD800 with my DarkVoice 337SE. To my ears the 337 gives it more pleasing presentation overall (or "sweetness" to borrow your term), especially when paired with softer sounding tubes. Amping with the D1 seems more technically correct, like it exposes more of the inherent character of the HD800 rather than forcing it into some type of mold. I don't usually reach for the HD800 when I want added emotion in my music..... so the D1 is a better match for my tastes. But that's just me, and I could easily see someone going the other direction. 

 

Perhaps this is a little bit of what you were describing with the LCD-2? It could be that the "flatter" sound is the more accurate one. Or maybe not. Was the LCD-2 still able to get loud enough for your liking through the D1?

 

 

 

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