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Is it true that SACD players cannot output a digital stream? This would basically make an external DAC useless, and one would need to used the analog outs of the SACD player. In my opinion, this is a major handicap to the wider adoption of the SACD format.

 

Also, most external DACs have DAC chips that only operate on PCM streams. However, some select chips (like Wolfson I think) offer 1-bit DSD capability. I don't see what use this is if according to the standard an unencrypted DSD stream is not allowed outside the player.


Edited by akart - 12/14/10 at 11:19pm
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Yeap. However, you can output digital from playing CDs. Studios already gave up on "wider adoption of SACDs"

 

You can however do some surgery and tap the DSD stream on some players and send the DSD to DACs such as OPUS and Buffalo

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Is it true that SACD players cannot output a digital stream? This would basically make an external DAC useless, and one would need to used the analog outs of the SACD player. In my opinion, this is a major handicap to the wider adoption of the SACD format.

 

 

No, it is not true.  Most SACD players offer a user-selectable choice to output PCM or DSD.  Modern ones can output 5.1 over HDMI, whereas older models usually offered 5.1 analog outputs.  This "limitation" had absolutely nothing to do with SACD's lack of success in the marketplace.  It never caught on as a mainstream technology because consumers as a whole had no interest in it.  The sales figures are and always were abysmal.

 

Also, most external DACs have DAC chips that only operate on PCM streams. However, some select chips (like Wolfson I think) offer 1-bit DSD capability. I don't see what use this is if according to the standard an unencrypted DSD stream is not allowed outside the player.

 

Nope.  There are several AVRs that can decode DSD streams.  SACD players most definitely can output DSD.


 

post #4 of 6

From Wikipedia..............

 

SACD players are not permitted to offer an output carrying an unencrypted stream of Direct Stream Digital (DSD).[30] Players initially supported only analog output; later some proprietary digital interfaces such as Denon Link permitted encrypted transmission of DSD. There are now two standard digital connection methods capable of carrying DSD in encrypted form: i.Link and HDMI (version 1.2 or later, standardised in August 2005).

The older i.Link interface is generally found on older mid- to high-end equipment and some current top-of-the-line units from Japanese manufacturers. HDMI is more common, being the standard digital connection method for high-definition video with audio. Most new mid-level and higher 2007 model year and later A/V processors support the HDMI 1.2 specifications DSD over HDMI feature. Most boutique manufacturers still do not support DSD. Some HDMI 1.1 spec DVD players convert DSD to LPCM and then pass it to an HDMI 1.1 spec or later processor. Lower end processors usually convert the DSD to LPCM, higher end ones usually convert it to LPCM for bass management or DSP but can also process it natively at the expense of DSP and bass management. Some new DVD players from Oppo Digital, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc. now support HDMI 1.2 or 1.3 and will pass DSD over HDMI as well as LPCM. Be aware that some players, for instance, Onkyo DV-SP504, will not support DSD or LPCM over HDMI without resampling it to 48 kHz. SACD or DVD-A will be played through analog outputs instead. The older i.Link interface has been dropped from all but high-end A/V processors and DVD players. 

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The digital stream is also output to the coax or optical, but down sampled to 2ch 48 khz, which is enough to appreciate the DSD layer with a headphone dac/amp...

 

BTW, SACD is niche product, just like a headphone amplifier... Who wants a wider adoption for one or the other ? There's more SACDs available today than anytime before. Not bad for a dead format ;-)

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Is it true that SACD players cannot output a digital stream? This would basically make an external DAC useless, and one would need to used the analog outs of the SACD player. In my opinion, this is a major handicap to the wider adoption of the SACD format.

 

Also, most external DACs have DAC chips that only operate on PCM streams. However, some select chips (like Wolfson I think) offer 1-bit DSD capability. I don't see what use this is if according to the standard an unencrypted DSD stream is not allowed outside the player.



It's not true. Many new SACD players can output DSD or LPCM via HDMI. They typically cannot output hires LPCM by SP/DIF. There are ways around this e.g.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=7qab14q0tg4t58eja35hpak6sqvvu0kr&topic=82217.0 

or the audio praise vanity board.


Edited by XXII - 12/15/10 at 8:56pm
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