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Well here's the thing. Some phones are clearly over-bassed (XB700 for one), some phones are clearly bass-shy (K319, well an earbud) however no phone is completely neutral, correct me if I'm wrong, God I hope so. Which means that you are very likely to never know just "how much" bass there really is in the track. Granted you can get a frequency analyzer to analyze the track, and a dummy head to test your phones, but that's... I mean we listen to music, right, and even if we listen to gear (raises hand) I don't think we'd go that far to really get a ruler-flat bass response, either by purchasing new phones, modding the phones or EQ'ing the phones.
That said, I can enjoy "Boom Boom Pow" with my 2" computer built-in speakers, but some need four 10" woofers in their trunk.
Anyways cheers. I don't want a debate or anything, just trying to say what I want to say. Happy holidays, eh.
Following your analogy, he didn't ask for hard-candy lovers to get out. He asked all chocolate haters to get out. The thing is, in this forum almost everyone is a hard-candy lover (aka enjoy a good sound for a reasonable price), and this is really not the place to ask for opinion on what the most of us believe to be a terrible deal.
And don't act like we're all intolerant, a lot of patient people here went out of their way in explaining the OP how he could get much better sound than with the Beats, even with a big bass boost, with isolation. They weren't insulting him or his taste, just showing it was a poor choice and he could do much better.
I think you need to have a talk with Duggeh.
And I hate the term "good" bass too. I hear it so often, and it's like saying I like good treble. That's cool. What do you call good treble?
Well...I think that there is GOOD bass and there is BAD bass. Good bass is, well, good sounding. Bad is bloated, uncontrolled, over whelming, Beats. There are just some headphones that I think their main focus IS bass so it is hard to describe the sound by referring to them as anything but bass, good or bad. If Beats actually had mids or highs then I think you could use the term good sound, bad sound. All they have is bass...bad bass.
I don't think Head-fi is exactly bass-hating. Alot just doesn't understand what it means to be a basshead. Immediately calling added bass as "bad bass" is ridiculously derogatory to bassheads. Most of members here like boosted treble, but we don't call it "bad treble." Sure bass can run around in the rest of the frequencies, but it's always been a goal for bassheads to find the most impactful bass that does it to a lesser extent. Trying to listen to hiphop without added bass? How fun can that really be for a basshead? They like to feel the rhythm, not just listen to it. It's like listening to classical without the spaciousness and the treble all rolled off.
To me the solo's sound like an old man farting. The Studio's didn't sound bad for the limited time wearing them. I think the point most make is that, for the money, the Beats aren't worth it. Particularly, when you put durability and construction in the conversation.
BTW I love these threads too! When you siphon out the sensationalists, it can be an enjoyable debate.
I agree. But there can be too much bass and there can be poor quality bass. IMO the Beats have both. As much as I love my Grados...they could use a tad bit more but they are not lacking so much to hurt the music. The 770's I used to have had plenty, but not too much, and amped, it was nice and controlled. I would love to listen to some Denons someday. Even though I think I am turning in to more of a "treblehead"....I still have that bass lover streak in me.
I've always wanted to damp a pair of Beats, especially because every pair I've tried had the cups literally rattle, which is a sign of shoddy plastic and damping. It'd certainly tighten the bass up if it had a nice treatment of dynamat or something. Cutting out the grill in front of the driver would probably let the mids and treble free too.