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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

It seems that a lot of the Head-Fi members (or perhaps those who write the most reviews) listen to a lot of classical music, which makes a lot of sense, followed by rock fans and (to a lesser extent) electronica. I haven't seen many reviews of gear by hip hop fans, however. This strikes me as unusual, since hip hop obviously has a pretty different sonic profile to most classical, so I would have thought there would be more discussion of what works well with hip hop (though I suppose there is a certain amount of overlap with electronica). To be clear, although hip hop is bass heavy and I love bass, I'm not a basshead looking for bass for the sake of bass, regardless of whether it is mushy and bloated. I like my bass tight, but I like it to pack a wallop when it comes time to hit hard.

 

I haven't seen (or been able to find) many amp reviews by hip hop heads. Are there any out there? What amps are you using (and with which cans)?

 

I've got a pair of Sony MDR-XB700s, a pair of Shure SRH840s and a pair of Denon AH-D2000s on the way (next year I plan on buying a pair of Sennheiser HD650s unless something else catches my fancy). I'm using a modded Beresford Caiman DAC at home, and a NuForce uDAC-2 at work. I've ordered a couple portable amps to tide me over until I buy a full-blown desktop amp for use at home. I plan on spending around $300 when the time comes (and I'm open to buying used), so it would be interesting to me to hear what others use.

 

For the sake of keeping the discussion focused, I would be most interested in hearing advice from people who actually listen to a lot of hip hop, as opposed to people who primarily listen to other music but which to provide advice on what they think would work well with hip hop. bigsmile_face.gif

 

In terms of my own experience, I find the Sony XB700s to be an absolute steal at the price they go for. They are also relatively light and EXTREMELY comfortable. Those thick pads are great and they don't clamp at all. The bass is strong, but what I have noticed most about them is that the mids are not recessed or overshadowed at all. These benefit tremendously from being amped, even though they are very easy to drive. The big problem I have with the Sonys is that they leak tons of sound for a closed-back set of cans. And my wife isn't exactly a hip hop fan...

 

The Shure SRH840s have better build quality than the Sonys, have a detachable cable, replacement pads, etc. Everything seems to be a step up from the Sonys, except for the bass. Resolution in the mids is better than the Sonys, but whenever the music heads for some serious head-nodding, I wind up feeling like the Shures are lacking a bit. I'm hoping the Denon AH-D2000s will be the happy medium (and that the Sennheiser HD650s will be a revelation when I get them).

 

The Beresford Caiman seems like a great match for hip hop so far. It is very musical, has lots of power and can grunt when called for. The NuForce uDAC-2 feels brighter, more neutral, possibly with greater resolution, but it is early days with the uDAC-2 and I need to spend more time with it once the portable head amps arrive.

 

Best,

Adam

 

P.S. I also used to have a Fiio E7. I have to say that I thought it worked for hip hop pretty well as an entry point. Not the highest resolution, but the greatest separation, but it was a lot of fun and certainly packed a wallop for its size and cost - especially when connected via USB.

 

post #2 of 11

 

I prefer the d2000 over the hd650 not only for hiphop (mos def, kanye,gang starr,atmosphere) but for all the types of music I listen to (reggae, garage, instrumentalhiphop, metal).
 
A couple months ago my d2000 were powered by the ibasso d10. They sounded ok but I knew something was missing. I read a couple of threads, and found out the combination of headroom amps with denons headphones.
 
I pulled the trigger and bought an used headroom micro stack (amp & dac) here in the forum. The differences are day and night.  
 
Try the denons d2000. If you love them, then go for the headroom micro amp-dac.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks, holaquetal. That's very good to know. I'm still amazed that there aren't more responses...

 

Best,

Adam

post #4 of 11

My listening is about 70% hip hop - some of the artists, if this helps you, include: Deltron, DJ Cut Chemist, Qbert, Jurassic 5, CYNE, Binary Star, All Natural, Atmosphere, De La Soul, Beastie Boys, KRS-One, Mix Master Mike, P.O.S, Shad, and Theory Hazit. 

 

I've been running a WA6 (kinda out of your 300 dollar range) and a pair of HD650s and I think they are a very good pair for hip hop. I find the HD650s to be forgiving of a lot of artists whose samples are lower quality but their vocals are top notch. Sometimes, if I really want some more bass, I just EQ a bit in, but closed headphones, I feel, would be a better bet if you're looking for the bass in the music. 

 

Let me know if you have any other questions. 

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks, illharmonics. Your taste runs very similar to mine. The WA6 is indeed going to be out of my range. Based on the advice you and others have given, I may need to reconsider the HD650s. On the other hand, I am keen to try out a pair of open-backed headphones, since all of the ones I have now are closed-back.

 

Best regards,

Adam

post #6 of 11

Hello Adam,

 

I own the Denon AH-D5000s and I love them for hip-hop, however my go-to cans are Ultrasones.  IMO, if you dig hip-hop you have to try a pair.  Very mixed reviews with them and it's either love 'em or hate 'em, but for hip-hop and house, trance etc, the 'Sones are it.  Love the HD650s as well, but now you are getting into the never-ending pit of driving them properly etc...., but when they hit, they are awesome.

 

In reference to amps, I don't listen to any in particular for different genres.  Your headphones make the final and biggest difference and if they are driven properly, then that is the ultimate goal (if everything else is in place- source material, source etc.).  Tailor their sig a bit with tubes etc. but the end result falls on the phones.

 

For your budget, I would go with the LD I+ if you want to give tubes a try.  It's a tube hybrid and has some juice for low impedance cans.  Three families of tubes, rollable op-amps, great price etc etc...

 

Great to see some hip-hop fans around.  Many around here frown on the genre...lol...very_evil_smiley.gif

 

I like me a little hip-hop to get the juices flowing....Couple of my playlists...beerchug.gif

 

 

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post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the tip. I'll have to research those. What Foobar2000 skin/theme are you using?

 

Best regards,

Adam

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by illharmonics View Post

My listening is about 70% hip hop - some of the artists, if this helps you, include: Deltron, DJ Cut Chemist, Qbert, Jurassic 5, CYNE, Binary Star, All Natural, Atmosphere, De La Soul, Beastie Boys, KRS-One, Mix Master Mike, P.O.S, Shad, and Theory Hazit. 

 

I've been running a WA6 (kinda out of your 300 dollar range) and a pair of HD650s and I think they are a very good pair for hip hop. I find the HD650s to be forgiving of a lot of artists whose samples are lower quality but their vocals are top notch. Sometimes, if I really want some more bass, I just EQ a bit in, but closed headphones, I feel, would be a better bet if you're looking for the bass in the music. 

 

Let me know if you have any other questions. 

 

I listen to about 50% hiphop and I do agree WA6 is a great amp, especially when you are using EML 5U4G and 6FD7 tubes.

 

OP, with your budget.  The best amp I heard with Denon D7000 (sound signature is very similiar), it M3.  You can probably get a used one close to $300.
 

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by amcananey View Post

Thanks for the tip. I'll have to research those. What Foobar2000 skin/theme are you using?

 

Best regards,

Adam

 

Ibiza V2.0.  Br3tt comes out with so many, it's hard to keep up.  Been using this one and Kameleon for a while and have been very happy with both.  Keeps everything organized.

 

http://br3tt.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d1ojo4o

 


Edited by HeatFan12 - 12/14/10 at 7:53am
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

HeatFan,

 

Which Ultrasones do you recommend?

 

Ultrasone HFi 780 (closed-back, approx. $240)

Ultrasone PRO 650 (closed-back, approx. $280)

Ultrasone HFi 2400 (open-backed, approx. $300)

Ultrasone PRO 900 (closed-back, approx. $550)

 

Don't say the Edition 8! L3000.gif

 

I have to say, the HFi 2400s look pretty tasty...plus I don't have any open-backed cans...wink_face.gif

 

Best,

Adam

post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by amcananey View Post

HeatFan,

 

Which Ultrasones do you recommend?

 

Ultrasone HFi 780 (closed-back, approx. $240)

Ultrasone PRO 650 (closed-back, approx. $280)

Ultrasone HFi 2400 (open-backed, approx. $300)

Ultrasone PRO 900 (closed-back, approx. $550)

 

Don't say the Edition 8! L3000.gif

 

I have to say, the HFi 2400s look pretty tasty...plus I don't have any open-backed cans...wink_face.gif

 

Best,

Adam



Hi Adam,

 

If you are looking for open Ultrasones, I would add the PRO2500s to your list.  I currently own all the phones you listed with the exception of the HFI-2400 (I have the HFI-2200).  From your list, the PRO900s have the edge with overall tonality plus bass that goes to another level and does not cloud things up.  Some folks here do the "kees" mod to them and fwir with good results.  Mine have stayed stock with the exception of upgraded removable cables, but the mod is always an option.  The 780s are a great choice as well, given their price (although that price has definitely increased the last couple of years).  The bass is awesome but the highs are a bit shrill out of the box.  Again, mine are re-cabled (split-entry) with upgraded cables that took care of those little nuances.  But I did listen to them for months before I sent them out for the job.

 

I would pick a budget and order accordingly.  I have listened to a wide variety of music with all my 'Sones, especially hip-hop and have never been disappointed.  Just remember they will always sound better amped.  Without amplification they sound very bloated.  They love the juice and they tighten up very nicely.

 

For fun hip-hop cans also look at the HFI-580 & 680.  The 580s have more bass where the 680s are more balanced around the spectrum.

 

Cheers

 

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Edited by HeatFan12 - 12/16/10 at 6:53am
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